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There seemed to be plenty of room for all type of aircraft to park up for the Euro96 games......the next job should be a taxi way and an extra 300 metres of runway, after the overall revamp of the out dated facilities...
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It would be nice to see the fire station moved to the middle of the airfield where it should be. The buildings sticking out at the top of stand 2 and stand 4 such as the baggage hall and the offices and arrivals belts should be removed so stand 2 3 and 4 can be extended right into the terminal building.
Between taxiway C and D it would be nice to see some aircraft parking there aswell!
Between taxiway C and D it would be nice to see some aircraft parking there aswell!
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Runway 32/14,
I think what actually happened during Euro 96 was that taxiway Delta was used for parking, but on the basis that the aircraft were staying all day. It was then closed. An aircraft that wasn't at either end was effectively trapped by other aircraft and wouldn't be able to move unless others did so. This wouldn't be practical on a regular basis.
I seem to recall that a very large number of aircraft left one after the other in the evening after the match and I assume that the airlines and ATC had planned it that way.
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FY
There seemed to be plenty of room for all type of aircraft to park up for the Euro96 games......the next job should be a taxi way and an extra 300 metres of runway, after the overall revamp of the out dated facilities...
I seem to recall that a very large number of aircraft left one after the other in the evening after the match and I assume that the airlines and ATC had planned it that way.
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FY
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Leeds Bradford transatlantic flights ‘next year’
What utter ??????? don't get me wrong i would love to see LBA having US flights but it wont happen.
LBA is probably not far of its peak pax numbers now, it has talked about 3m+ for at least the last 8 years but never got there,
Why long haul wont happen
First off fuel is on its way back North ($60 dpb) the goverment increase in air passenger duty will kill any shopping trips to NY and the exchange rate will seal it, last March the $ was 2 to the pound its now $1.4 to the pound! i did 4 US trips last year and have yet to do 1 this year.
The we are like BRS is rubbish, Bristol can count the South West, South Wales, East as far as Newbury and North as far as Gloucester as its catchment area, that is a foot print that would cover Liverpool to Hull and EMA to NCL, perhaps not as many people, but with only Exeter and CWL to compete with, not EMA,HUY,DSA,MME(OK NOT MME!!)NCL,MAN&LPL
Its all well and good to be loud and proud of being a Tyke but lets not the rest of the UK have it confirmed that we are thick of head as well!!!
I would have thought by now that most people would have woken up to what face's the UK over the next 5 years who ever gets elected next year, it is going to mean spending cuts and taxes rises with little or nil earning growth, probably followed by inflation and rises in interest rates to fight it.
Look at most of the UK loco plans for winter 09, many are planning to fly less than this winter past, the green shoots in the North are going to be the grass growing on the regional airports runways.
The JET2 NY shopping trips served a purpose but did not make any money and are not likely to be repeated, a Connie 757 will not make the US off R32 non stop on 9 out of 10 days and wont autoland on 32.
Leeds has a good future but not for this sort of bollocks, it needs another Loco in Globespan, baby, Ryanair or better still Easy, failing that Wizz or Sky Europe if they are still going
LBA is probably not far of its peak pax numbers now, it has talked about 3m+ for at least the last 8 years but never got there,
Why long haul wont happen
First off fuel is on its way back North ($60 dpb) the goverment increase in air passenger duty will kill any shopping trips to NY and the exchange rate will seal it, last March the $ was 2 to the pound its now $1.4 to the pound! i did 4 US trips last year and have yet to do 1 this year.
The we are like BRS is rubbish, Bristol can count the South West, South Wales, East as far as Newbury and North as far as Gloucester as its catchment area, that is a foot print that would cover Liverpool to Hull and EMA to NCL, perhaps not as many people, but with only Exeter and CWL to compete with, not EMA,HUY,DSA,MME(OK NOT MME!!)NCL,MAN&LPL
Its all well and good to be loud and proud of being a Tyke but lets not the rest of the UK have it confirmed that we are thick of head as well!!!
I would have thought by now that most people would have woken up to what face's the UK over the next 5 years who ever gets elected next year, it is going to mean spending cuts and taxes rises with little or nil earning growth, probably followed by inflation and rises in interest rates to fight it.
Look at most of the UK loco plans for winter 09, many are planning to fly less than this winter past, the green shoots in the North are going to be the grass growing on the regional airports runways.
The JET2 NY shopping trips served a purpose but did not make any money and are not likely to be repeated, a Connie 757 will not make the US off R32 non stop on 9 out of 10 days and wont autoland on 32.
Leeds has a good future but not for this sort of bollocks, it needs another Loco in Globespan, baby, Ryanair or better still Easy, failing that Wizz or Sky Europe if they are still going
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Its nice to get a possotive responce about the future of LBA....Thanks for that Facelookbovvered.....I guess time will tell, this counrty will not be in recession for ever......and LBA will not be trying to sort out Transatlantic flights for the fun of it, they have a business to run....at the end of next year, we will be sitting here in the forum talking about how successful the transatalantic routes from LBA are doing!!!
(i hope)
(i hope)
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LBA has superior TODAs, TORAs and ASDAs compared to BRS and nearly all of the BRS-EWR sectors have gone direct for 4 years. What's the science that says CO could only operate 10% of the services direct from LBA.
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TORA, ASDA count for nothing if your into wind runway is at the foot of a hill!! Engine out climb performance is what counts on a twin, if you can use 10knts twc off 14 to get the same lift off 32 it says it all, BRS is on the top of a hill, for F**k sake, its like an aircraft carrier, the management of Leeds are playing to the crowd, in the same way LUFC were in talking about Leeds in Europe...........lets beat Millwall first before we talk about Barcelona.
If putting winglets on a 22 year old aircraft is about going to the states, well what can i say, it ain't going to happen, even Manchester is seeing a reduction in US traffic what makes anyone think Leeds is stronger
I am not anti Leeds far from it i have earned a living from it for more years than i care to remember but lets face it the airport is in the wrong place.....
If putting winglets on a 22 year old aircraft is about going to the states, well what can i say, it ain't going to happen, even Manchester is seeing a reduction in US traffic what makes anyone think Leeds is stronger
I am not anti Leeds far from it i have earned a living from it for more years than i care to remember but lets face it the airport is in the wrong place.....
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Planning meeting today
Good luck to LBA!!!! the planning decision committee meet today hopefully with the right decision to allow the developement to go ahead, and for expansion of the airport!!!
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Why is the forum always bitching, i posted some information regarding the possibility/likelihood of LBA having Transatlantic flights within the next couple of years!!! i may add that this information has come from a very reliable source, so why do people incist on poo-pooing the idea, it is attitudes like that, that will cause this airport to fail.....you should be wishing them well, and stop knocking them, they are trying to make this airport good and sustainable, they are trying to expand the destinations available from LBA, i dont see why that should be a problem....if you dont want to fly from Leeds and would rather travel to another airport, then so be it!!! but i would find some of you to be hypocrites if you were booking to fly from Leeds after you have condemned them for expanding routes!!!!
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I am not knocking you or the airport, just pointing out that it is in my view unlikely to happen and the reasons why. Some get off on seeing a heavy jet at Leeds but it doesn't pay the bills.
Years ago we used to get Wardair 747 in, but even that went by way of BHX on the way out
Leeds should set its store out on what can be achieved, which to be fair Jet2 have done much of the work for them, they have lost bmi mainline and regional will likely end up with two aircraft doing GLA/EDI and they might not even be based long term, a few Ryanair flights, ditto Eastern & Flybe.
Other wise this thread will end up like the drivel on Durham Tees Valley page
Years ago we used to get Wardair 747 in, but even that went by way of BHX on the way out
Leeds should set its store out on what can be achieved, which to be fair Jet2 have done much of the work for them, they have lost bmi mainline and regional will likely end up with two aircraft doing GLA/EDI and they might not even be based long term, a few Ryanair flights, ditto Eastern & Flybe.
Other wise this thread will end up like the drivel on Durham Tees Valley page
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Heres an interesting observation from personal experience last week.
Manchester Airport to Junc 26 (Bradford exit) 45 minutes
Same Junction to Leeds BRADFORD Airport 50 minutes !!
Point being ?
What an A*se of a place to get to !
Manchester Airport to Junc 26 (Bradford exit) 45 minutes
Same Junction to Leeds BRADFORD Airport 50 minutes !!
Point being ?
What an A*se of a place to get to !
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I don't know what time of day you made the trip but I work next to J26 and I can get to LBA in 20 mins. It has also taken me two hours to get to MAN. Journey times are often down to luck.
I don't know what time of day you made the trip but I work next to J26 and I can get to LBA in 20 mins. It has also taken me two hours to get to MAN. Journey times are often down to luck.
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Heres an interesting observation from personal experience last week.
Manchester Airport to Junc 26 (Bradford exit) 45 minutes
Same Junction to Leeds BRADFORD Airport 50 minutes !!
Point being ?
What an A*se of a place to get to !
Manchester Airport to Junc 26 (Bradford exit) 45 minutes
Same Junction to Leeds BRADFORD Airport 50 minutes !!
Point being ?
What an A*se of a place to get to !
Then of course there is the great variable in a journey to Ringway...the M62. Some days, 45 mins, others 2 hours? If you are catching a flight you legislate for the latter.
There will always be people that find MAN easier from within West Yorks and others that find LBA easier and I reckon Parkin, Halwood etal still have enough of the latter that curently leak to MAN to grow the LBA business.
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Travel times to LBA from around our region are a mixed bag, but often not as bad as it seems, with most early flights you have to be at the airport that early that you miss the worst of the traffic, rush hour is another matter.
Jet2 have stopped a large amount of the leakage to Manchester, however at the same time they have seen off some of the IT operators, Leeds has lost a lot of traffic to the railways post Hatfield. bmi used to move a lot of people to/from LHR. one only has to look at list of flights that bmi have started and stopped to see that LBA is no MAN/BHX in terms of catchment
Longhaul charter could work from but runway performance remains an issue
Jet2 have stopped a large amount of the leakage to Manchester, however at the same time they have seen off some of the IT operators, Leeds has lost a lot of traffic to the railways post Hatfield. bmi used to move a lot of people to/from LHR. one only has to look at list of flights that bmi have started and stopped to see that LBA is no MAN/BHX in terms of catchment
Longhaul charter could work from but runway performance remains an issue
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I can get to LBA in 40 minutes from Junction 41 off the M1........Infact i will be doing it tonight, as i fly to Turkey tonight from Leeds.....i didnt just book it, i Thomas Cooked it!!!!!
Later people....
Later people....
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I can get to MAN in 40 minutes from J41 i can get to EMA in 75 minutes (85min until the j28-25 road works are finished)
Leeds will never be manchester, nor should it try to be, Manchester like Leeds is slowly losing its London flights (VLM) we got PIA because of the local population, not because its a great place to visit.
If we get the US i don't think it will stay a full season, in twenty years of flying out of both MAN/Leeds i have only once been unable to get into MAN and never had to reduce payload to get out, Leeds on the other hand!!!
Lets keep leeds for short haul
Leeds will never be manchester, nor should it try to be, Manchester like Leeds is slowly losing its London flights (VLM) we got PIA because of the local population, not because its a great place to visit.
If we get the US i don't think it will stay a full season, in twenty years of flying out of both MAN/Leeds i have only once been unable to get into MAN and never had to reduce payload to get out, Leeds on the other hand!!!
Lets keep leeds for short haul