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BMI definitely still flies to BRU. When I was returning from BRU last Fri there were 5 BMI a/c landed one after the other and parked up close flying to Edinburgh, Newcastle etc - was a cool sight seeing 5 BMI ERJ's parked up next to each other.
BMI definitely still flies to BRU. When I was returning from BRU last Fri there were 5 BMI a/c landed one after the other and parked up close flying to Edinburgh, Newcastle etc - was a cool sight seeing 5 BMI ERJ's parked up next to each other.
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BMI Regional fly to BRU and have wet lease contracts with SN Brussels. The only direct flights to BRU from LHR are codeshare flights with SN Brussels.
Slot leasing is quite a profitable way of shoring up a company's finances, I remember Luxair used to fly into LHR at a loss from LUX. They were losing money on every flight, so they leased their slots to Ethihad for $5m per year. So given that they were losing, lets say $1m per year on the route, next financial year they could report a $6m improvement on their performance.
If BMI were to do something similar, this could placate the Lufthansa shareholders somewhat. Lufty and BMI are going to have to do something pretty spectacular to turn the amazingly poor financial figures around.
BMI Regional fly to BRU and have wet lease contracts with SN Brussels. The only direct flights to BRU from LHR are codeshare flights with SN Brussels.
Slot leasing is quite a profitable way of shoring up a company's finances, I remember Luxair used to fly into LHR at a loss from LUX. They were losing money on every flight, so they leased their slots to Ethihad for $5m per year. So given that they were losing, lets say $1m per year on the route, next financial year they could report a $6m improvement on their performance.
If BMI were to do something similar, this could placate the Lufthansa shareholders somewhat. Lufty and BMI are going to have to do something pretty spectacular to turn the amazingly poor financial figures around.
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With the recent announcement from BA regarding recruiting 800 pilots, are there many people looking to jump ship? Looks as though things aren't great with 2nd quarter results posting a large loss.
Do staff still believe lufthansa can turn the company round into a profit making one? I'd be interested to know where the biggest loss is coming from? i.e. Mainline, baby or regional, is it just that pax numbers are low in general across the board and overheads too high? Thanks.
Do staff still believe lufthansa can turn the company round into a profit making one? I'd be interested to know where the biggest loss is coming from? i.e. Mainline, baby or regional, is it just that pax numbers are low in general across the board and overheads too high? Thanks.
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I agree, never say never, but given that regional is the only bit that profitable it's hardly a priority?
What happens to Baby has been discussed and I am not optimistic, I am afraid.
Mainline will survive but in a much more streamlined version. If it were my trainset I would lease slots to other Star Alliance partners, drop aircraft leases wherever cheaply possible. It could be a relatively quick fix for an airline that has a long way to go to return to anything like profitability. Realistically I can't see any other way to go other than close the whole thing down, but I cannot see Lufthansa choosing the thermonuclear option.
I personally did not think that an airline actually owned slots at LHR. Yes they have rights over the slots, if they have been appointed them but actually they merely just safekeep them. For example, if an airline doesn't use their allocated slots effectively and cancel flights regularly, they can be withdrawn by the airport authority and returned to the slot pool.
Other ways as well.
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My response about bmi not flying to Brussels was based on a question about its routes from LHR. It does not fly from LHR to Brussels so my answer was right. Had the question been about whether bmi flew to Brussels from anywhere other than LHR, my answer would have been different - read the thread
My response about bmi not flying to Brussels was based on a question about its routes from LHR. It does not fly from LHR to Brussels so my answer was right. Had the question been about whether bmi flew to Brussels from anywhere other than LHR, my answer would have been different - read the thread
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There is rumor BMI can retain open route LHR-MXP now operated by BMI on behalf of Lufthansa Italia and due to close at end of october. Do you have any confirm about this?
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Bmi after taking over €100 off the early morning DUB - LHR for winter. The fares are now in line with Aer Lingus. They realized than nobody was going to pay over €130 to fly DUB - LHR.
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Early Morning DUB/LHR.
I really doubt BMI are that naive . They have competed on shorthaul routes including Dublin for many years and I-m sure they know what they need to do pricewise to maintain a fair share of the traffic.
I suspect , until now the winter schedule has not been finalised .
They may not have known for definite if the early departure would operate and/or what equipment would be used ie. Airbus or RJ.
In such circumstances it doesn-t make sense to sell a lot of cheap seats early
and then find you only have 50 seats instead of 150 and no capacity left to sell to the late booking high yielding traffic.
BMI has previously had these sort of problems on UK domestic routes when last minute changes to schedules/aircraft type left them overbooked or at best nothing to sell.
It looks like they have been prudent in this instance and have waited until things are more definite before opening up capacity.
I know other airlines including BA have done this.
If they close the flights completely ,it starts hares running with Travel agents or travel press or Ppruners noticing the flights are closed out and the assumption is made the route or frequency is being pulled.
By closing down inventory to only Flexible Y fare , this deters the early booking bargain hunters .The late booking business travellers who will pay the high fares aren-t booking in this time frame so they aren-t affected.
Even the lower yielding traffic doesn-t book very early ( apart form peak dates like school half term and Christmas which will fill even if opened very late ) , so not a lot of this segment is lost.
I would say good Inventory Managemnet by BMI.
I suspect , until now the winter schedule has not been finalised .
They may not have known for definite if the early departure would operate and/or what equipment would be used ie. Airbus or RJ.
In such circumstances it doesn-t make sense to sell a lot of cheap seats early
and then find you only have 50 seats instead of 150 and no capacity left to sell to the late booking high yielding traffic.
BMI has previously had these sort of problems on UK domestic routes when last minute changes to schedules/aircraft type left them overbooked or at best nothing to sell.
It looks like they have been prudent in this instance and have waited until things are more definite before opening up capacity.
I know other airlines including BA have done this.
If they close the flights completely ,it starts hares running with Travel agents or travel press or Ppruners noticing the flights are closed out and the assumption is made the route or frequency is being pulled.
By closing down inventory to only Flexible Y fare , this deters the early booking bargain hunters .The late booking business travellers who will pay the high fares aren-t booking in this time frame so they aren-t affected.
Even the lower yielding traffic doesn-t book very early ( apart form peak dates like school half term and Christmas which will fill even if opened very late ) , so not a lot of this segment is lost.
I would say good Inventory Managemnet by BMI.
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LH not ruling out a sale of bmi if it makes sense "in the total picture"
Lufthansa, Low-Cost Leaders Cautious on Filling Air Berlin
Lufthansa remains open to disposing of U.K. unit BMI if a sale makes sense “in the total picture,” Lauer told journalists in Vienna, where the German company -- which owns Austrian Airlines -- named an Airbus SAS A380 superjumbo after the city.
BMI, the second-biggest slot holder at London’s Heathrow airport, has been hit “particularly hard” by a traffic slump prompted by unrest in the Middle East, and Lufthansa doesn’t exclude any options for the division, the executive said.
Cologne-based Lufthansa is not currently considering a move for SAS Group as the Nordic carrier’s government investors look to dispose of stakes, said Lauer. “We are busy enough with the companies that we’ve bought in Europe,” he said. “I don’t think this is the time to think about anything else.”
BMI, the second-biggest slot holder at London’s Heathrow airport, has been hit “particularly hard” by a traffic slump prompted by unrest in the Middle East, and Lufthansa doesn’t exclude any options for the division, the executive said.
Cologne-based Lufthansa is not currently considering a move for SAS Group as the Nordic carrier’s government investors look to dispose of stakes, said Lauer. “We are busy enough with the companies that we’ve bought in Europe,” he said. “I don’t think this is the time to think about anything else.”
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Here we go again
There are new rumours flying around that theres another announcement to be made next week. Anyone have any ideas what it will be? I have a chilling feeling that it can be about the down sizing of the airline yet again 
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Not a lot!
It's a matter of common knowledge that a major review is underway so I guess that any announcement will be to do with that?
I think the days of rearranging the deck chairs are fast coming to an end, short haul seems to be the headache for bmi old aircraft the problem for baby.
Maybe Tripoli gets to re start? Who knows?
It's a matter of common knowledge that a major review is underway so I guess that any announcement will be to do with that?
I think the days of rearranging the deck chairs are fast coming to an end, short haul seems to be the headache for bmi old aircraft the problem for baby.
Maybe Tripoli gets to re start? Who knows?
