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Old 7th Sep 2011, 18:19
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Why would BA want to merge with BMI ? .Its route structure isn't yielding any profit and integration would mean more hassle than its worth.The regions for BA have never been profitable but its longhaul network is.

Its slots BA want, nothing more nothing less.
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Old 7th Sep 2011, 19:50
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stormin - is LH willing to sell just slots (and deal with the redundancy issues through a potentially very expensive court case, or does it come as part of a package known as bmi ?

Could the bmi slots, crew and aircraft at LHR be used by dropping destinations which are unprofitable due to over capacity, and fill in gaps that BA probably might want to open to boost long haul but which bmi could never make work on a standalone basis as they didn't have a substantial long-haul operation to feed ? An example being something like Leeds - LHR...
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Old 8th Sep 2011, 10:42
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Flypuppy

I believe there is a board meeting Tuesday or Wednesday, so I would guess any announcements would follow that.


Flypuppy, what was the outcome of the board meeting .....??????

Any news for us all to digest.
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Old 8th Sep 2011, 10:48
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davidjohnson6: If BA were to magically obtain some extra LHR slots the very, very last thing they would want to use them for is UK domestic. Sorry Leeds.
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Old 8th Sep 2011, 11:00
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Originally Posted by The SSK
If BA were to magically obtain some extra LHR slots the very, very last thing they would want to use them for is UK domestic. Sorry Leeds.
Correct. But if some regulator REQUIRED a percentage of them to be used for domestics (and if not so used, to be put back in the pool) ......
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I'm not aware of any instances, anywhere in the world, where slots are reserved for specific destinations. But in any case, given HMG's extreme antipathy towards air travel in general and Mainland UK domestic air travel in particular (also seemingly shared by HM Opposition) I don't see domestic destinations receiving any kind of preferential treatment any time soon.
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...given HMG's extreme antipathy towards air travel in general and Mainland UK domestic air travel in particular.
I agree, but find it bizarre, if only because shortly after the House of Commons packs up on a Thursday you will find at both Heathrow and LCY half the MPs (of all parties) from N England, Scotland and Northern Ireland there, headed back for their constituencies. Poor old duty terminal and airport managers have to be on their toes for them all !
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There would be a good case for boosting regional development and connectivity by plugging some airports back into the UK hub, I think Inverness,possibly Leeds and certainly the non UK islands JER / GCI / IOM would be a good bet. Alas I don't think Teesside would be worth the candle anymore...
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Flypuppy, what was the outcome of the board meeting .....??????

Any news for us all to digest.
Since I am not a member of the board or an employee of bmi, I wouldn't really know.

However there is a very interesting article on anna.aero about bmi, and a very impressive graph that would scare any potential investor.
I will try to link to below...

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Old 8th Sep 2011, 17:06
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Initially it would scare but ultimately I'd invest in BMI if I saw that graph and didn't read PPRuNe. It shows now is a cheap time to buy and the financials are recovering, that's a good time to invest.
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Unfortunately, the 2011 result is just for the first 6 months...

Here's hoping the 3rd quarter results will be a bit better.
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I just don't see it - really dont think IAG will buy bmi. They cant fit the whole operation into T5, and would require a re-jig of airlines in T3 for them to be accommodated into the current set-up. Maybe too much work is needed?
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Old 8th Sep 2011, 18:54
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I don't think that would be an issue. BA already quite happy to run a few routes out of T3 and Star Alliance airlines will be moving out into T2 before too long. I think it'll all depend on the financials rather than logistical issues and whether LH will sell to IAG.
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Old 8th Sep 2011, 18:55
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I don't think terminal move issues would stop IAG, even if it results in BA reverting to a three terminal operation at LHR.

Any deal will take a long time to complete and after that bmi would continue to operate independently with its own operating licence and a lot will change at LHR by the time bmi was fully integrated into BA.
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Old 8th Sep 2011, 19:00
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Despite employment tupe laws - I still think if it does go ahead, it would open up Heathrow. BA wants slots, sure, but it won't need all BMI slots or want them, it'll take what it needs, keep some aircraft and staff and sell the rest and ideally free up important LHR day slots maybe?
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Just a thought; would the EU competition lot allow it?
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Old 8th Sep 2011, 19:44
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Can't see why not. BA would have less than the slot allocation the DLH have at Frankfurt.
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Old 8th Sep 2011, 21:17
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Any intelligent report will see that there is very little domestic Heathrow traffic already except for Glasgow, Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Manchester (Belfast City finishes 29 October). BMI only compete on EDI and MAN and even if there was no competition from the other London airports (and there is plenty), two routes would probably not be a good reason to stop a huge buyout which IAG/BMI would be. Or at least one would hope not
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Uhm Belfast City ending October 29? Did I miss a memo somewhere? Pretty certain this hasn't been announced.
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bmi at BHD

I can find no announcement about bmi ending its route from LHR to BHD either in airline related announcements nor in the general media (and as the oly real way from Northern Ireland to get quickly to Britain is to fly, the media are usually very quick to pick up any chnages. In addition, the route is bookable well into 2012.

Are you sure?
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