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Old 24th Feb 2011, 17:13
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I agree to the extent UK feed is not *profitable* hence anything on the Embraer is for the chop. That includes MAN and ABZ, with only EDI possibly remaining as it's a very strong city destination in it's own right.
Surely ABZ is an important feeder for bmi routes aimed at the energy sector?
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Old 24th Feb 2011, 17:51
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Has anyone looked at the impact of the current problems in the Middle East on bmi revenue. New route to Libya starting in less than perfect climate. What is next for the region? We have seen Egypt go through the mill. Seeing the airline has a large route focus on the region. What does bmi have to cope with this sudden change in the landscape?
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Old 24th Feb 2011, 18:53
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Lufthansa wanting to filter transfer traffic through Europe rather than LHR could be working. Lufthansa UK and Ireland figures more than double the airlines average increase. Press release from nitravelnews.
Travellers Still Want a Full Service Airline

Lufthansa says it has defied all the odds by announcing a substantial increase in passengers in the UK and Ireland during 2010, with the airline's growth UK and Ireland figures more than double the airline's average increase.

Announcing the record year, Marianne Sammann, Lufthansa's General Manager UK & Ireland, said: "Our passenger growth out of the UK and Ireland is exceptional, especially at a time when many airports are reporting a drop in overall passenger numbers for the year as a result of the challenges the industry faced during 2010.
"It proves that huge numbers of travellers still want the added value they receive from a full service airline. They like to know the ticket cost includes good quality food and drink on board the aircraft as well as allowing them to check-in at the airport and take a reasonable amount of luggage at no extra cost.
"Our UK and Ireland passengers continue to take advantage of the excellent onward connections we offer through our hubs at Frankfurt, Munich and Düsseldorf. In 2010 the number of UK and Ireland passengers travelling on to the Middle East increased by more than 66 per cent with onward connections within Europe also up almost a fifth. Lufthansa offers minimum onward connection times from just 35 minutes, making it a real and attractive alternative to other major hubs."
Among Lufthansa's most popular onward destinations from the UK and Ireland in 2010 were Vienna, Barcelona, Nuremberg, Mumbai, Lagos, Seoul, Delhi, Tokyo, Tel Aviv, Beijing, St Petersburg, Jeddah, Osaka and Graz.
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Old 25th Feb 2011, 01:13
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Has anyone looked at the impact of the current problems in the Middle East on bmi revenue. New route to Libya starting in less than perfect climate. What is next for the region? We have seen Egypt go through the mill. Seeing the airline has a large route focus on the region. What does bmi have to cope with this sudden change in the landscape?
I'm sure there will be some impact on bmi's revenue but I don't think Its going to be as bad as everyone thinks. I've noticed that the load factors on the Cairo route have already recovered to almost what they were before all the problems began out there.

I read somewhere last year (before any of this unrest in the Middle East) that the new ceo of bmi recognised the need to have a fall back plan for the volatile Middle East market and thats one of the reasons why he wanted to build up a Mainland Europe portfolio. Hence another reason why he is trying to shift capacity away from UK & Ireland and has launched Vienna, Berlin, Bergen, Stavenger and Basel. Lets face it Uk & Ireland flights alone are not going to hold up bmi.
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Old 25th Feb 2011, 08:34
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I would imagine that not going to TIP with half a dozen pax is saving bmi a small fortune compared to predicted losses on the route before the crisis. As long as it loses less than 30K per day it will be better than Glasgow. Not going at all sounds like an ideal solution, straight from the Nigel Turner school of accounting.
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Old 25th Feb 2011, 20:50
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The 3 remaining A321s from the original B|MED order of 5 will be delivered in 2012. G-MEDP, G-MEDR & G-MEDV will have a new configuration of 21C 130Y, lie flat beds in a 2-1 layout in C, brand new AVOD IFE throughout & blue mood lighting. The current A321s will then be refitted with the same.
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Old 25th Feb 2011, 22:04
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Surely ABZ is an important feeder for bmi routes aimed at the energy sector?
Feeding Continental at Heathrow to Houston and the oil traffic to Tripoli.....ooops! Actually since ABZ is still on the Embraer, it's got to go. That's an utter waste of a Heathrow slot, BAA will up the price until they're gone. They want more A380s not ERJs
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Old 26th Feb 2011, 07:30
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Will the 3 new A321 be additional to the BMI fleet or replacing order aircraft?
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Old 26th Feb 2011, 09:30
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Probably to release 3 319 to baby to start BHD,GLA,EDI into STN!
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Old 26th Feb 2011, 10:58
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The A321s will be in addition to the current 7, therefore making 10. All of them are now in full bmi livery & having new interiors so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon. Don't expect the A319s to br going anywhere either. They are having new bmi interiors currently fitted & the 2nd phase of this will include fitting new galleys & standardising the configuration to 144CY.
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Old 26th Feb 2011, 10:58
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I could only guess that the 3 new A321s are configured with business and economy to operate midhaul routes, which suggests further expansion in that area. bmi did say that there will be more new route launches in the future.
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Old 26th Feb 2011, 11:11
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They are having new bmi interiors currently fitted & the 2nd phase of this will include fitting new galleys & standardising the configuration to 144CY.
Indeed ideal to replace the 2 500's 1 300 due for replacement in 2012 and allowing the sale of the baby product on code share with LH/Germanwings which the current product is not up to scratch.

319/737 debate

Given that LH airlines have not to my knowledge ordered any new Boeing narrow body aircraft in over a decade what makes anyone think they would start now, LH airlines have a long history of aircraft ownership.

If WW are to expand as expected in 2012 then it is easier to do when the total airframes are at an all time low and any expansion will require new crew to fly them, i would not rule out further 737's in 2012, but IMHO 319/320 are a no brain-er for WW
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 17:39
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didn't stop 145 /757 's wont stop baby getting the right fleet for the job, despite a few precious 12 yr fo's
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 17:54
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I wish i was this good at fishing

I think you are missing the point, wps isn't going to let what is fast becoming a break even/ near profit business be held to ransome by mainline pilots.


Mainline guys at baby.......you would hate it working four sector days and no grub?
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 17:59
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As I recall, the scope clause relates to ops at LHR only so there is no reason in principle why baby could not operate 319/320's from the current bases. Whether it will happen is another matter, and in my view unlikely, but it won't be prevented because of the existence of a scope clause designed to protect mainline pilots' jobs at LHR. The 757 and 145 issues did require alleviations precisely because they were operating in and out of LHR.
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 18:51
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Le Grand Fromage,

You wait 3 years to make a post and it is factually incorrect! The scope clause entitles bmi mainline pilots to operate all services flown by the bmi group, to/from any location, on aircraft of a certain size on bmi mainline terms and conditions; yep that includes grub.

A point well illustrated by the requirement for the existing alleviation for baby ops on B737. Besides, there is no cash for a complete re-fleet at baby and all that would entail, much easier just to put mainline pilots on it. That's probably why mainline are moving pilots to MAN and BHX....they'll be the only bases baby operate from soon.
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 19:37
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This would all explain why I keep hearing that baby pilots are so keen to get conjoined with mainline into a single seniority list. Ho ho ho!
I'm surprised you can pass the aural for a Class 1 max nightstop.

Besides, there is no cash for a complete re-fleet at baby and all that would entail
Just like there was no cash for the bmi aircraft refit...inspite of the fact they're losing £100's of millions a year....I can understand why baby is the highlight of WPS' day.



I think you need to appreciate the mechanics of aircraft acquisition in the LH group.

And remember...LH see the future of intra-European travel resting with the LOCO model. I'm not sure many baby pilots fancy the "Stans" anyway...

Ho ho ho ho ho...

Anyway, nice to see pilots within the bmi group supporting one another...

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Old 28th Feb 2011, 21:21
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Most in bmi couldn't give a stuff about what happens out with LHR, firstly with a pay rise due in a couple of weeks talks on pay for 2012 will be underway there after.So there is plenty of room for deals to be done, but the bmi pilots are wide of the mark to think that there is anything to stop baby crews flying baby airbus, do they really think that the Germans will say OK we want the Airbus but because a group of LHR pilots say no we will buy Boeing's instead!!

NOT A CHANCE

There will be no loss of pilots jobs at bmi in fact it will increase with bigger aircraft for LHR I predict that 18 months from now baby will be flying 319/320 in to STN from both domestic and European routes but not LHR, whether bmi will be making money by then is more difficult to call!
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 21:39
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In and out of STN from europe? Isn't that kind of covered already. How many "niches" do baby think they can find?

They'll end up with mainline FOs transferring to baby LHS, wait and see....

You'll get a system like German Wings and Lufthansa Passenger.
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If baby needed type rated pilots they would of course look at suitable mainline pilots, but not on mainline terms and conditions the best they could hope for would be continuous employment but would be on the bottom of any baby seniority list for everything else.

There is no mood in baby for cuckoo's from either pilots or pilot management so there will be no shoe ins
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