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Anything that has the previous ruling council's monica on it regarding Manston Airport will be in the skip or heading there for landfill.
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Your last post shows a total lack of understanding. I have made no such suggestions. You clearly have a lack of knowledge and I am trying to educate you, so you never make such an accusation again.
For any report, in any field, to be commissioned from a firm of consultants, the party requiring the report has to instruct them with clear instructions as to what they are to report on, with stated parameters and the purpose of the report (ie hoped for outcome).
Your last post shows a total lack of understanding. I have made no such suggestions. You clearly have a lack of knowledge and I am trying to educate you, so you never make such an accusation again.
For any report, in any field, to be commissioned from a firm of consultants, the party requiring the report has to instruct them with clear instructions as to what they are to report on, with stated parameters and the purpose of the report (ie hoped for outcome).
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No.
Before you edited your post it carried an implication that the previous administration might have gerrymandered the commissioning of the report to produce a "hoped-for" outcome- ie a negative report about Manston.
It is a matter of public record that all Thanet council have done everything possible to support Manston. It is only now that it has become clear that they have reached the end of the line.
The actions being proposed now go beyond what is reasonable both in terms of the health of the local economy and the aviation requirements of Kent
Before you edited your post it carried an implication that the previous administration might have gerrymandered the commissioning of the report to produce a "hoped-for" outcome- ie a negative report about Manston.
It is a matter of public record that all Thanet council have done everything possible to support Manston. It is only now that it has become clear that they have reached the end of the line.
The actions being proposed now go beyond what is reasonable both in terms of the health of the local economy and the aviation requirements of Kent
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Well it has taken a year, but finally the CPO for Manston is at last on its way :
Proposed by new TDC Council Leader Chris Wells,
"For Council to recommend that Cabinet review its position on
Manston Airport, taking into account any relevant changes in
circumstances since 2014."
Passed with none against and just 4 abstentions from the old Labour guard.
It took us a very hard year, but pat your selves on the back, guys of the Save Manston Airport association.
We wait for RiverOak to do their bit next, then we have the Cabinet to make their decision on the 18th June.
Bring it ON !!!
Proposed by new TDC Council Leader Chris Wells,
"For Council to recommend that Cabinet review its position on
Manston Airport, taking into account any relevant changes in
circumstances since 2014."
Passed with none against and just 4 abstentions from the old Labour guard.
It took us a very hard year, but pat your selves on the back, guys of the Save Manston Airport association.
We wait for RiverOak to do their bit next, then we have the Cabinet to make their decision on the 18th June.
Bring it ON !!!
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Well it has taken a year, but finally the CPO for Manston is at last on its way :
Proposed by new TDC Council Leader Chris Wells,
"For Council to recommend that Cabinet review its position on
Manston Airport, taking into account any relevant changes in
circumstances since 2014."
Passed with none against and just 4 abstentions from the old Labour guard.
It took us a very hard year, but pat your selves on the back, guys of the Save Manston Airport association.
We wait for RiverOak to do their bit next, then we have the Cabinet to make their decision on the 18th June.
Bring it ON !!!
Proposed by new TDC Council Leader Chris Wells,
"For Council to recommend that Cabinet review its position on
Manston Airport, taking into account any relevant changes in
circumstances since 2014."
Passed with none against and just 4 abstentions from the old Labour guard.
It took us a very hard year, but pat your selves on the back, guys of the Save Manston Airport association.
We wait for RiverOak to do their bit next, then we have the Cabinet to make their decision on the 18th June.
Bring it ON !!!
The trouble with this forum is that too many post from an uninformed position.
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From us Naysayers, who are informed, having worked at Manston, you're all barking!
As long as it's not taxpayers money crack on. And if you want to lose more money just give me a couple of million, I'll put it to some good use.
As long as it's not taxpayers money crack on. And if you want to lose more money just give me a couple of million, I'll put it to some good use.
The trouble is the naysayers have been calling it right for as long as I can remember....
People have been making this claim about Manston as long as I can remember, and it's no more true now than it was then. Have you seen the well established storage and logistics industry which has sprung up around Heathrow? It would be difficult and expensive to replicate the facilities at MSE.
I've only been following the fortunes of Manston for about 20 years, so obviously I'm one of the uninformed. Perhaps you could explain to me how, since 99% of freight at Heathrow and Gatwick arrives in the cargo holds of passenger aircraft, exactly how passengers and freight are to be separated in a manner which allows freight to move to Manston?
I've only been following the fortunes of Manston for about 20 years, so obviously I'm one of the uninformed. Perhaps you could explain to me how, since 99% of freight at Heathrow and Gatwick arrives in the cargo holds of passenger aircraft, exactly how passengers and freight are to be separated in a manner which allows freight to move to Manston?
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The trouble is the naysayers have been calling it right for as long as I can remember....
People have been making this claim about Manston as long as I can remember, and it's no more true now than it was then. Have you seen the well established storage and logistics industry which has sprung up around Heathrow? It would be difficult and expensive to replicate the facilities at MSE.
I've only been following the fortunes of Manston for about 20 years, so obviously I'm one of the uninformed. Perhaps you could explain to me how, since 99% of freight at Heathrow and Gatwick arrives in the cargo holds of passenger aircraft, exactly how passengers and freight are to be separated in a manner which allows freight to move to Manston?
People have been making this claim about Manston as long as I can remember, and it's no more true now than it was then. Have you seen the well established storage and logistics industry which has sprung up around Heathrow? It would be difficult and expensive to replicate the facilities at MSE.
I've only been following the fortunes of Manston for about 20 years, so obviously I'm one of the uninformed. Perhaps you could explain to me how, since 99% of freight at Heathrow and Gatwick arrives in the cargo holds of passenger aircraft, exactly how passengers and freight are to be separated in a manner which allows freight to move to Manston?
Running an airport at a profit requires granular knowledge of the operation on a financial and technical level; most of the posters on here don't have that knowledge.
If you know the answers to the questions above you will know that cargo operations at Manston can be profitable.
And 1% of the South East's non-below deck cargo throughput is? How much does Manston need of that market to be profitable on a cargo only basis?
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Why not look at Ostend as the perfect example. Like Manston it is located close to a seaport (2 of the largest ones in Europe such as Antwerp and Rotterdam). Also like Manston it is about 1.5 hours away from a large airport (Brussels). And like Manston, it has its hopes set on cargo, aircraft recycling and the low cost carriers. And like Manston (sorry for repeating that), it is failing completely, and would not survive if it were not for the Belgium government pumping money into it. Secondly I've said it before and I will say it again, Manston supporters do not give a toss about the airport, this is only about the fear of immigrants and housing. It is a disgrace that Manston supports try to refer back to WW2 heroes for their actual non-aviation related agenda.
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I have not been following the more recent MSE drama, so pardon my ignorance: Other than tarmac and buildings, what airport infrastructure is left? At BLK, they seem to have sold anything that can move rather quickly, thus flogging all equipment necessary to re-open it.
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Delay? At least another couple of years? Do you know how much infrastructure costs?
BWhich bring me back to a previous post on return of investment, you can spend loads of money but it's got to pay for itself and then some.
If I had £50 million I'd stick it elsewhere rather than a start up airport. Risk it very high for little return.
Sorry for being a 'Naysayer' but can the deluded 'Yea-sayers' show some me the market research based on current facts, fully costed business plan, and expected year of profitability.
BWhich bring me back to a previous post on return of investment, you can spend loads of money but it's got to pay for itself and then some.
If I had £50 million I'd stick it elsewhere rather than a start up airport. Risk it very high for little return.
Sorry for being a 'Naysayer' but can the deluded 'Yea-sayers' show some me the market research based on current facts, fully costed business plan, and expected year of profitability.
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Manston Airport 'could reopen early next year'
Manston Airport 'could reopen early next year' - BBC News
A closed Kent airport could open early next year and the Civil Aviation Authority is to be "put on standby" in case it happens, an MP has said.
A closed Kent airport could open early next year and the Civil Aviation Authority is to be "put on standby" in case it happens, an MP has said.
Manston Airport 'could reopen early next year' - BBC News
A closed Kent airport could open early next year and the Civil Aviation Authority is to be "put on standby" in case it happens, an MP has said.
A closed Kent airport could open early next year and the Civil Aviation Authority is to be "put on standby" in case it happens, an MP has said.
Sorry, Manston is a bit like a certain "Norwegian Blue" it is an ex-airport. it has ceased to be, it is no more - daisies are pushing up through the tarmac (to paraphrase)!
As was stated above, without massive public help (= tax payer's cash) it is a carbon copy of Ostende, and the UK government is rather less keen on donating cash to money pits than the Belgian (possibly the Flanders) government is.
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If you'd followed this whole episode through, you would see that NO taxpayer/government cash is required to proceed with the CPO to open the airport.
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I used that joke earlier in the thread, get your own material!
And the reason why it's dead...
Manston Airport 'would have lost £2.5m a year', document shows - BBC News
This should alarm any potential investor. Would you bet on a three legged horse when you have thoroughbreds such as Heathrow and Gatwick in the 'race'.
I used that joke earlier in the thread, get your own material!
And the reason why it's dead...
Manston Airport 'would have lost £2.5m a year', document shows - BBC News
This should alarm any potential investor. Would you bet on a three legged horse when you have thoroughbreds such as Heathrow and Gatwick in the 'race'.
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The airport was set up to fail before it closed. Figures were adjusted to look bad. Customers were turned away, potential new routes and freight airlines weren't taken up. The real details are known by ex staff. It was all set for a cheap sale by Infratil to Stagecoach-linked Gloag, they have lots of previous history with each other.