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Old 5th Oct 2010, 19:17
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Thank you all for the clarification and amplification regarding Bristol - especially runway 09 in 'challenging conditions'.

I think I will continue to read PPRuNe. After seven years or more it's become quite a habit.

I'm not a nervous passenger (probably too thick to be aware of the efforts pilots have to put in on occasions) because I have nothing but admiration for the high degree of skill and training that airline pilots bring to air travel.
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Old 5th Oct 2010, 21:40
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The metars didn't have strong crosswinds till after the event

EGGD 030550Z 12012KT 4000 RA BR SCT002 BKN012 12/12 Q0990
EGGD 030520Z 10011KT 1400 R09/P1500 R27/P1500 RA BR SCT001 BKN002 11/11 Q0990

Aircraft landed at 0530z so low cloud, rain and visibility.

Late or no flare on the threshold side of the hump? or

landing deep and checking the nose forward?
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Old 6th Oct 2010, 13:50
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BHX thread says a couple of US carriers will announce 2011 routes soon.

Could there be anything for BRS in there? I very much doubt it but may be worth a look. I am sure the BRS team have been trying to secure a new USA link.
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Old 6th Oct 2010, 15:31
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Been looking at the threads and I even suggested that AA might look to replace CO....One person thought it might be a good idea, especially with the complete lack of OneWorld carriers...Somehow though, I think we might not be so lucky this time around. I wouldn't think UA would operate to ORD from BRS....However time will tell!
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Old 8th Oct 2010, 19:32
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easyjet summer 2011

Flights are released and it seems 10 based up to June and 11 from July.

Quite a tidy schedule with few gaps although I only checked a few dates
in June and August.

I have not checked the current schedule to compare it but there appears to be few surprises.

The Prague up to July departs at 14.15 and returns at 23.00 but then changes time to 13.25 departure returning at 18.05.

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Old 9th Oct 2010, 01:09
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all I shall say is "it could've been much worse"! well done boys you got the pax and crew to the gate in one piece in challenging conditions. a big lump of metal is repairable.
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Old 14th Oct 2010, 14:49
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Some good news taken from todays local press:
Plans for a 251-room on-site hotel at Bristol Airport have been approved by North Somerset Council.
Work could start as soon as next year and be completed by the end of 2012, it is claimed.
The development, to be sited 100m from the terminal, is expected to generate 140 full-time jobs.
Bristol is the only airport in the top 15 airports in the UK without an on-site hotel
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Old 14th Oct 2010, 17:00
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September passenger figures up 2%

Source: CAA

September 608478 +2% Rolling Year 5259281 +2.1%

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Old 14th Oct 2010, 17:03
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I think you mean rolling year 5,759,281!!! Slip of the finger me thinks!!!
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Old 14th Oct 2010, 17:08
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September passenger figures up 2%

Cheers

Confirm should read 5759281.

I can't even read my own writing

Copy & Paste next time I think!

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Old 18th Oct 2010, 20:35
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Ryanair winter 10/11

It may be that Bristol's very good run in increasing passenger numbers each month this year except April (the volcanic ash month) is about to experience a bit of a challenge.

I've done a check on the Ryanair timetable for January 2011 and, as things stand at the moment, there are only 55 rotations per week - 51 flown by BRS-based aircraft and four by others (from the timings).

This is down a massive 40% from last winter when there were about 90 weekly rotations.

The main reason is the loss of the 2 x daily Belfast City route and the daily Shannon.

In addition the daily Bergamo has gone (though this had been reduced to 3 x weekly this summer), as have the 3 x weekly Reus, the 2 x weekly Budapest and Rzeszow, and the weekly Turin during the ski season. In addition DUB has reduced from 21 to 16 weekly rotations. There are also other minor changes.

On the plus side, routes operating this coming winter that didn't last winter are Venice Treviso (3 x weekly), Kaunus, Gdansk and Faro (all 2 x weekly).

The current timetable can be operated by three based aircraft, though they won't be fully occupied all the time from BRS, compared with four based last winter (again they weren't fully utilised) and five this summer.
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Old 18th Oct 2010, 21:14
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Drastic reductions from ryanair. Shame. I hope it is just for the winter.
Does anyone know the reasons why easyjet originally dropped Milan and Budapest? Was it low pax or high airport charges?

I would like to see some new destinations announced anyway. It's healthy to mix the route network up year on year but would be disappointed if no one picked up BUD. I always enjoy trips there.
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Old 18th Oct 2010, 22:02
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Both Ryanair and easyJet had good loads on the Budapest when they operated it at different times - very good in summer.

This summer for example Ryanair's BUD route has had monthly loads factors from May to September as follows: 91%, 93%, 93%, 93%, 87%. Winter lfs are usually in the 70s and 80s% range.

Presumably the loads aren't good enough to make the money that would keep the route running, at least in winter. I remember last winter or the winter before that Ryanair axed all its BUD flights for about six weeks because of a dispute with the BUD airport authorities over charges.

Milan has gone from feast to fast. For about 18 months from 2007 Ryanair and easyJet competed daily throughout the year to their versions of Milan - FR to BGY and U2 to MXP. For the most part they diluted each other's loads.

easy pulled out of Milan first and Ryanair reduced it to 3 x weekly this summer. Summer loads have been ok, good in high summer with 85% in July and 90% in August this year.

Rzeszow is gone for the winter after monthly lfs of 91% to 95% in July-September.

It just shows that high loads don't guarantee a route and that the underlying yield is always paramount.

As for new Ryanair routes, no-one can say they are not adventurous at BRS.

Since the base opened in 2007 the following routes have been tried and discontinued - some were seasonal:

Derry

Dinard

Grenoble

Katowice

Salzburg

Scezecin

Shannon

Cagliari

Eindhoven

Pau

Perpignan

Montpellier

Toulon

Trieste

Bydgoszcz

Gdansk was taken up after easyJet dropped it, then Ryanair dropped it only to bring it back this summer and it is being retained for winter. Summer lfs have been mainly decent to very good at 79%, 84%, 92%, 93% and 89% for the main summer months May-September.

It's a bit of a conundrum to think where else they might try. Some of the axed routes could be brought back I suppose as Gdansk was.

I presume Reus (previously a year round route) will return next summer but it remains to be seen if Rzeszow and Bergamo will as well.
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Old 18th Oct 2010, 23:03
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Ryanair are closing all routes from Budapest from 30 October in a row over airport charges. No routes will return next summer.
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 05:03
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Reading between the lines

I am wondering if there is a new route in the pipeline? (Maybe US/ Middle East?)

From the press release on pax numbers from the BRS website:

Shaun Browne, Aviation Director at Bristol Airport, said:
“These results follow an announcement by Flybe that it will operate a twice-daily service between Bristol and Belfast City from November. We hope to have further good news for travellers soon as we look to build the South West’s connectivity to key destinations across the world.”
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 05:10
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I am wondering if there is a new route in the pipeline? (Maybe US/ Middle East?)

From the press release on pax numbers from the BRS website:

Quote:
Shaun Browne, Aviation Director at Bristol Airport, said:
“These results follow an announcement by Flybe that it will operate a twice-daily service between Bristol and Belfast City from November. We hope to have further good news for travellers soon as we look to build the South West’s connectivity to key destinations across the world.”
Aye this is on the news that TOM are basing at least 1 B787 at Bristol, meaning they can fly to all sorts of luxurious destinations, from right here on our doorstep. Also there was a meeting a couple of months back with an american Carrier to take up the BRS-America route. My Money is on Delta, being part of the Skyteam it would make sense.

Also, the reasons why the MXP and BUD routes were dropped, as well as the VCE and PSA, is all over high airport landing fees and taxes.

Hope this helps

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Old 25th Oct 2010, 07:21
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Speedbird_481_papa,

Can I ask how you know this? as I think both these things are news to everyone who frequents this thread.

If anyone were to pick up the BRS-USA route, I would also bet on Delta or possibly AA doing it, as they already serve MAN and BHX, but I wouldn't hold my breath on seeing either of them at BRS in the next 2-3 years minimum.
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 08:22
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Santito

Delta and AA dont serve BHX, they only serve MAN/LHR (and DL serves LGW-Cincinatti.

It could be Delta, as DL have talked to CWL in the past but couldnt come to an agreement over financing the route. Has BRS poached this one away from CWL?

AA, it just doesnt fit their portfolio. They dont serve the likes of GLA or AMS, so I wonder why they would suddenly swoon over BRS?

There are 2 questions I have to ask though:

CO has long been the regional champion. If they cant make it work, what chance do other carriers have

DL were looking to the WAG to subsidise the CWL route. This means BRS could be offering a subsidy. If DL comes due to a subsidy, will they stick around when that money runs out? Personally, look at their EDI performance and I think youll find your answer.
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 10:43
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If anyone were to pick up the BRS-USA route, I would also bet on Delta or possibly AA doing it
It's very unlikely for the same reason as BHX. It's too close to hundreds more options in London. US tried BHX and left after one season, albeit one following the banking crisis. Continental scaled back to daily as there was no market for two flights. If anyone was going to make Bristol work it would have been Continental and they are moving the Bristol B757 to Heathrow where they expect it to be more profitable.

Delta couldn't make EDI work which I think is a better case than Bristol, which leaves American who almost started NCL-JFK. Given that they now have ATI with BA and IB, I suspect they will be focussing on each others bases in Europe and BRS of course has no BA presence.

I don't see scheduled, legacy US flights returning in the near term I'm afraid. The marketing teams at airlines are always talking to marketing teams at airports, that's their job. I wouldn't read a lot into it, Delta might have looked at Cardiff but how many Delta B757s are parked at Rhoose?
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 11:10
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Speculation re further connectivity across the world

"We hope to have further good news for travellers soon as we look to build the South West’s connectivity to key destinations across the world.”

When the above comments of Shaun Browne (BRS routes director) were discussed in this thread recently there was also speculation that it might refer to another European hub, hopefully from my point of view Frankfurt.

The LH (Eurowings) link between BRS and FRA ran for 12 months and ended at the end of April 2009 having carried over 98,000 passengers.

Whilst acknowledging that raw passenger numbers alone don't necessarily indicate a route's profitability the figures at least suggest that there is a market.

I don't know whether slots would be a problem at FRA in the sense that there may be bigger fish for LH to fry in a limited pan; if not there might be a chance of the route resuming if the economic climate shows signs of sustained improvement. LH intimated that the recession was the reason for the BRS-FRA route being removed and there was more than a hint that it would return when conditions improved.

It's also been suggested that bmiRegional (already operating BRS-BRU for Brussels Airlines since January with passenger numbers up 15% for the first nine months of this year over the same period in 2009) might be the carrier.

Logically, it's difficult to argue with Skipness's UK regional-US points. It was reported that Delta spoke to CWL in the hope that the Wales Assembly Government would support a CWL-JFK route to the tune of a million or two a year. I was never sure how the WAG could legally do this.

What is certain is there is no public body in the South West who would have the money or the inclination to support a BRS link with the USA even if it was legal.

I note also that KLM is pushing its AMS gateway on advertising hoardings around Bristol with a slogan about why bother to flog up the M4 - no doubt trying to attract some of the former CO passengers.
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