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I do indeed and I am intrigued in this case by your use of the word positive, which is followed by an exclamation mark.
I can't find anything on the local news media or local authority websites, nor even on BRS's own website, so presumably the decision is yet to be announced officially.
Whatever his decision it will be sure to give the local news media plenty to talk about - they will be spoilt for choice what with Town Green Enquiry controversy and near civil war over new supermarket and football stadium planning applications.
Addendum
Just been announced on BBC West local news that the secretary of state will not be calling in this application.
Is all this coincidence or was Eric Pickles reading PPRuNe this afternoon?
I suppose the only thing that might hamper things now is if SBAE decides to ask for a judicial review but that will mean putting their hands in their pockets and with both the local authority and secretary of state happy with everything their chances of success (from their perspective) probably would not be high.
Great news for the airport, a bristolian.
Well done to all concerned.
I do indeed and I am intrigued in this case by your use of the word positive, which is followed by an exclamation mark.
I can't find anything on the local news media or local authority websites, nor even on BRS's own website, so presumably the decision is yet to be announced officially.
Whatever his decision it will be sure to give the local news media plenty to talk about - they will be spoilt for choice what with Town Green Enquiry controversy and near civil war over new supermarket and football stadium planning applications.
Addendum
Just been announced on BBC West local news that the secretary of state will not be calling in this application.
Is all this coincidence or was Eric Pickles reading PPRuNe this afternoon?
I suppose the only thing that might hamper things now is if SBAE decides to ask for a judicial review but that will mean putting their hands in their pockets and with both the local authority and secretary of state happy with everything their chances of success (from their perspective) probably would not be high.
Great news for the airport, a bristolian.
Well done to all concerned.
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Well there you go, how's that for coincidence and fancy you questioning the word of A Bristolian, incidentally, we don't hear enough from you A B.
Also as i said earlier, now peoples money is being asked for they all seem to have disappeared into the woodwork out of earshot of rattling collection tins, or they are to busy nailing up for sale signs. Good riddance to all of them
Well there you go, how's that for coincidence and fancy you questioning the word of A Bristolian, incidentally, we don't hear enough from you A B.
Also as i said earlier, now peoples money is being asked for they all seem to have disappeared into the woodwork out of earshot of rattling collection tins, or they are to busy nailing up for sale signs. Good riddance to all of them
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I never question the word of a b on matters relating to BRS - with good reason. He is always so well informed.
Just being a little mischievous in my last post - I hadn't realised the public announcement was so imminent.
I can understand that there are doubtless good reasons for a b not posting regularly but, when he does, it's always the real deal.
When I walk around Wrington (to those unfamiliar with the area that's the major village near the airport), except for one house on the edge that is festooned with SBAE posters, there are very, very few others on view.
This shows the true feelings of most local people, despite the best efforts of SBAE to indoctrinate them with their propaganda, because something that is really close to many villager's hearts - a proposed moving of their surgery to a neighbouring village - has resulted in numerous protest posters exhibited in houses right across the village.
I never question the word of a b on matters relating to BRS - with good reason. He is always so well informed.
Just being a little mischievous in my last post - I hadn't realised the public announcement was so imminent.
I can understand that there are doubtless good reasons for a b not posting regularly but, when he does, it's always the real deal.
When I walk around Wrington (to those unfamiliar with the area that's the major village near the airport), except for one house on the edge that is festooned with SBAE posters, there are very, very few others on view.
This shows the true feelings of most local people, despite the best efforts of SBAE to indoctrinate them with their propaganda, because something that is really close to many villager's hearts - a proposed moving of their surgery to a neighbouring village - has resulted in numerous protest posters exhibited in houses right across the village.
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Last week I was fortunate enough to have a tour of the Air Traffic Control Tower Curtesy of the local airport supporters group.Can't mention their name of course,but thankyou Andrew.Our escort for the tour was Mike Littleton,community liason manager for the airport.Those of you who have met Mike know what a nice guy he is,and a true ambassador for the airport.I asked him about the expansion plans and he said that they thought that Mr Pickles would not be minded to call in the planning application as his attitude was that it was for local councils to decide these things,as has been proved.Mike has worked in many roles at the Airport,Air traffic control and management and worked with the late great Les Wilson of which he had a few great but unrepeatable anecdotes.He also said that someone from S.B.A.E had written to one of the local papers in Ontario berating the Teachers Pension fund for their support for the expansion.I believe that one or two replied that their only concern was to get a good return on their investment.
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The reason I speculate on LH is the reference .................we look to build the South West’s connectivity to key destinations across the world which to me suggests a route to a hub, unless of course it's a replacement transatlantic carrier for Continental which I don't think it is for one minute.
My good-feeling would be tempered if it's going to be run with another BD EJ-145. The inventory is so tight, that fares on the BRU route are always uncomfortably high compared to AF/KL. If we get FRA/MUC etc. run on EJ-145, I can see it would probably be a premium option, worth it for long-hauls, but probably costly for short-haul within Europe.
Or maybe it's Shaun having a bit of fun to get the BRS posters on PPRuNe adding 2 and 2 and making 97.
In other news - is anyone else planning to be on the last CO76/77? I'm in on the last '76 from EWR on 06-NOV, if anyone wants to join the wake on-board. (And it just worked out that way. Bizarrely).
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Congratulations to all at BRS for the hard work, and the expansion which has finally been agreed on.
Let's hope that all those voiciferous members of SBAE will be happy to put their names forward on a NO FLY list, to be held at security screening for the foreseeable future.
Let's hope that all those voiciferous members of SBAE will be happy to put their names forward on a NO FLY list, to be held at security screening for the foreseeable future.
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I'm moderately impressed that the council was able to ignore the organised protest that apparently generated 5,100+ of the 5,500 responses.
Clearly the thoughtful and targeted input (including from a number of PPRuners) did, in fact, count a great deal more than a bunch of people standing the rain handing out postcards.
Lessons to be learned there for SBAE, one would (optimistically) hope.
Clearly the thoughtful and targeted input (including from a number of PPRuners) did, in fact, count a great deal more than a bunch of people standing the rain handing out postcards.
Lessons to be learned there for SBAE, one would (optimistically) hope.
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CO's departure may be helping the case for a new feeder, and I'll be relieved if it is into FRA. The BRU route is (ahem) quaint, and I find myself endlessly in LHR heading east and into GSA (Germany, Switzerland, Austria).
My good-feeling would be tempered if it's going to be run with another BD EJ-145. The inventory is so tight, that fares on the BRU route are always uncomfortably high compared to AF/KL. If we get FRA/MUC etc. run on EJ-145, I can see it would probably be a premium option, worth it for long-hauls, but probably costly for short-haul within Europe.
My good-feeling would be tempered if it's going to be run with another BD EJ-145. The inventory is so tight, that fares on the BRU route are always uncomfortably high compared to AF/KL. If we get FRA/MUC etc. run on EJ-145, I can see it would probably be a premium option, worth it for long-hauls, but probably costly for short-haul within Europe.
Good to read you're sticking to the CO 76 right until the last. My son, another aficionado, will be on the 76 a week or so before you with a group of about seven.
Since the bmiRegional 145s have taken over the SN route to BRU from the company's own ARJs the passenger numbers have increased significantly and look quite reasonable, so perhaps a 3 x daily 50-seater is better than a 2 x daily 80-seater in terms of yield especially if the fares are a bit tasty.
LH (Eurowings) carried nearly 100,000 in the year it operated the BRS-FRA until the end of April 2009 and I seem to remember much comment on PPRuNe and elsewhere during much of the route's existence concerning the very high fares often encountered.
So if the FRA route was re-started (I'm not sure how easily slots would be available) and the equipment was the BD ERJ-145 with BRU-like fares would that be a great deal different from the ticket prices the last time around?
I'm asking you because I know you have a great deal of experience travelling this and similar routes.
Incidentally, there is talk on another forum that bmi who operate ERJ-135s from LBA to BRU 'in their own name' will be expanding into Germany from the Yorkshire cities' airport, so maybe there is something afoot.
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I seem to be on BRS-EWR more this year than in the prior 5 combined. I'm out again on Monday morning's 77, if anyone's headed Stateside.
The original 2 flights Mon-Fri BRS-BRU were appallingly badly timed for anything other than trips to BRU. The 3x (almost) daily becomes a viable feeder into US/European connections at BRU, and I think it's this, along with SN's entry to Star Alliance, which has boosted numbers on this route. At the same time, cutting inventory is hardening fares and driving yields. And SN hasn't been a cheap airline since it stopped being Sabena.
In regards to a German route. I think it might be complicated. When LH took control of BD, they poured BD craft and crews onto LH/LX routes, and I think this might have caused some umbrage for LH. I vaguely remember seeing a protest from the LH Pilots' Union that LH were hauling in "cheaper foreign crews" to operate existing LH routes. Since then, I notice that LHR-TXL has gone fully BD, and that the BD aircraft has gone to a brand new LH route (LHR-DRS).
So, reading between the lines, I think there might be a reason why a BRS-FRA/MUC route might have to be "BD, operated by BD" as opposed to "LH, operated by BD". (Same from LBA, I guess?).
The BRS-FRA launch in March 2008 coincided with LH's (IMHO ill-conceived) £49 o/w fare promotion. I suspect that meant they artificially boosted E inventory (the lowest class) on the route, combined with a 98 seat aircraft. If they come back again, I'd be amazed if they released any E/L/T inventory on a 48 seat aircraft at all - my hunch is lowest short haul fares would be W, and there'd be some U/V avails for combination with long-hauls. So no chance of a sub £220 r/t to Europe. (LH's fuel surcharge is also a pretty painful £25/sector, which is £100 in fuel alone for a standard 4 hop Europe trip).
So, fingers crossed to welcome BD (Regional) to BRS....
The original 2 flights Mon-Fri BRS-BRU were appallingly badly timed for anything other than trips to BRU. The 3x (almost) daily becomes a viable feeder into US/European connections at BRU, and I think it's this, along with SN's entry to Star Alliance, which has boosted numbers on this route. At the same time, cutting inventory is hardening fares and driving yields. And SN hasn't been a cheap airline since it stopped being Sabena.
In regards to a German route. I think it might be complicated. When LH took control of BD, they poured BD craft and crews onto LH/LX routes, and I think this might have caused some umbrage for LH. I vaguely remember seeing a protest from the LH Pilots' Union that LH were hauling in "cheaper foreign crews" to operate existing LH routes. Since then, I notice that LHR-TXL has gone fully BD, and that the BD aircraft has gone to a brand new LH route (LHR-DRS).
So, reading between the lines, I think there might be a reason why a BRS-FRA/MUC route might have to be "BD, operated by BD" as opposed to "LH, operated by BD". (Same from LBA, I guess?).
The BRS-FRA launch in March 2008 coincided with LH's (IMHO ill-conceived) £49 o/w fare promotion. I suspect that meant they artificially boosted E inventory (the lowest class) on the route, combined with a 98 seat aircraft. If they come back again, I'd be amazed if they released any E/L/T inventory on a 48 seat aircraft at all - my hunch is lowest short haul fares would be W, and there'd be some U/V avails for combination with long-hauls. So no chance of a sub £220 r/t to Europe. (LH's fuel surcharge is also a pretty painful £25/sector, which is £100 in fuel alone for a standard 4 hop Europe trip).
So, fingers crossed to welcome BD (Regional) to BRS....
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Hotel being built approx near the car rental offices, about one hundred metre's from terminal entrance and according to press release should be open summer 2012.
And who know's, there may even be a total airfield view from the third or fourth floors, though i doubt there will be any roof observation, but would be nice
And who know's, there may even be a total airfield view from the third or fourth floors, though i doubt there will be any roof observation, but would be nice
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Eastern and Air Southwest
B_T,
Some discussion in the below threads over the past couple of days re Eastern taking on Air Southwest, in the first link from #653 onwards.
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...thwest-33.html
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...southwest.html
Although the intention appears to be to run them as two separate entities for the time being there are already one or two anomalies that might need sorting out sooner.
For example, Eastern currently routes the last ABZ-BRS-ABZ of the day via LBA in both directions but no tickets are sold between BRS and LBA in either direction.
The Eastern service arrives at BRS in early evening about two hours ahead of the Air Southwest LBA-BRS.
Many thanks for your input on BD, BRU, LH et al.
Some discussion in the below threads over the past couple of days re Eastern taking on Air Southwest, in the first link from #653 onwards.
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...thwest-33.html
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...southwest.html
Although the intention appears to be to run them as two separate entities for the time being there are already one or two anomalies that might need sorting out sooner.
For example, Eastern currently routes the last ABZ-BRS-ABZ of the day via LBA in both directions but no tickets are sold between BRS and LBA in either direction.
The Eastern service arrives at BRS in early evening about two hours ahead of the Air Southwest LBA-BRS.
Many thanks for your input on BD, BRU, LH et al.
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The reason given on the airport website is that the increase is in response to demands from business passengers.
Whilst on matters Scottish I note from CAA stats that in August more people used BRS (686,271) than GLA (646,379). I don't think this has happened before in a calendar month.
Whilst on matters Scottish I note from CAA stats that in August more people used BRS (686,271) than GLA (646,379). I don't think this has happened before in a calendar month.
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Couple of visitors last week, an Aurela 733 on behalf of TCX I believe, and Steven Spielberg and his private 733 popped in and parked up for a couple of days. Also anybody notice the Ryanair on stand 5 friday with a life raft lying to the side of it, if it had rained much more they would of been transporting the passangers around the ramp in it!
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Steven Spielberg and his private 733 popped in and parked up for a couple of days.
The airport website reports exceptionally high loads on flights from Europe and from around the UK in connection with the Ryder Cup and also mentions three charter flights from Amsterdam for the same event, though I've not seen anything of them on the BBC Text BRS airport site, the BRS airport web arrivals board or Mayfly.
A BD flight (ERJ145) was shown as inbound from Quimper, France this evening - don't know if that was for the golf.