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BRS website now showing four new easyJet routes next summer: Gibraltar, Porto, Catania and Lanzarote. The last one will go head to head with Ryanair.
Good to see Porto back. It's one of Bristol's twin cities and Ryanair tried it a few years ago with fairly decent loads but presumably inadequate yields.
easyJet will also have an additional aircraft at BRS next summer making twelve.
The informant on that other website (I'll PM you the details bob as PPruNe may not like other sites being advertised) was on the ball again. He also said that there would be more from bmi regional next year.
Good to see Porto back. It's one of Bristol's twin cities and Ryanair tried it a few years ago with fairly decent loads but presumably inadequate yields.
easyJet will also have an additional aircraft at BRS next summer making twelve.
The informant on that other website (I'll PM you the details bob as PPruNe may not like other sites being advertised) was on the ball again. He also said that there would be more from bmi regional next year.
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Could be that BMIr are replacing one German route with another, and they do like German routes after all...!
I think they will only ever go for routes from BRS that can be both business and pleasure so I don't think we will see any routes like Oslo or Gothenburg from them unfortunately. Düsseldorf is a strange one for me; average sized city albeit on the Rhine. Reasonably close to Dortmund but not much else (Cologne, Essen)
I think they will only ever go for routes from BRS that can be both business and pleasure so I don't think we will see any routes like Oslo or Gothenburg from them unfortunately. Düsseldorf is a strange one for me; average sized city albeit on the Rhine. Reasonably close to Dortmund but not much else (Cologne, Essen)
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DUS is Germany's 3rd busiest airport after FRA and MUC and covers an 11m metro area with excellent transport links and lots of commerce and industry. If the state of North Rhine-Westphalia was a country, it would be in the global top 20 in terms of GDP. A BRS - DUS route would be an interesting proposition. It is fairly close to Frankfurt (less than 1.5 hours by direct high-speed train), but I think it could still work, there is enough 'mass' there (unlike, say, Hanover). Not sure how much bmir's routes are really driven by pleasure, I would imagine that for city breaks and VFR the pain threshold is much lower than for business travellers when it comes to fares. The question is would it work without the extra transfer passengers feeding into a hub (not sure what status DUS has for LH these days or if it's any good as an LH hub, ignoring Air Berlin for now).
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DUS would be a reasonable choice for another German destination. LH have a 'mini-hub' there, with long-haul out to a few select locations.
However, as part of their re-organisation, the only LH short-haul routes from DUS are to FRA and MUC - everything else is transferring to Germanwings (4U), so it doesn't seem like an obvious alternate European hub destination.
On that basis, DUS would have to largely work on point-to-point traffic. Maybe the filing really is for QLA, and this is a private route they're looking to operate? (I see there's a Boeing maintenance company based at Lasham Airfield?).
However, as part of their re-organisation, the only LH short-haul routes from DUS are to FRA and MUC - everything else is transferring to Germanwings (4U), so it doesn't seem like an obvious alternate European hub destination.
On that basis, DUS would have to largely work on point-to-point traffic. Maybe the filing really is for QLA, and this is a private route they're looking to operate? (I see there's a Boeing maintenance company based at Lasham Airfield?).
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BAConnect had started a DUS route a year before they pulled out of BRS in the spring of 2007 following Flybe's involvement with the demise of BACon. That resulted in a number of other BACon routes from BRS also disappearing including other German routes to FRA and MUC.
bmiregional now flies FRA and MUC and also flew MXP (another of the BACon routes) but as as been previously discussed that one seems to have been pulled permanently despite its loads being largely on a par with the other bmir routes form BRS, so presumably the yield was not up to scratch.
It might be thought that if MXP didn't succeed then DUS would be doubtful but there does seem to be further expansion afoot at BRS with this airline so who knows outside the company? bmir does or at least did (they may still) seem willing to try German routes from BRS with HAM and HAJ as well as FRA and MUC, although HAJ no longer operates and the HAM and BRS catchments have important business links with the likes of Airbus.
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Going hand in hand with the four new routes is the announcement of an additional based aircraft next summer or at least for part of it which will make 12.
Given that GIB and OPO are 3 x weekly and ACE and CTA 2 x weekly there does seem scope for further route enhancement if the aircraft is to be utilised fully.
bmiregional now flies FRA and MUC and also flew MXP (another of the BACon routes) but as as been previously discussed that one seems to have been pulled permanently despite its loads being largely on a par with the other bmir routes form BRS, so presumably the yield was not up to scratch.
It might be thought that if MXP didn't succeed then DUS would be doubtful but there does seem to be further expansion afoot at BRS with this airline so who knows outside the company? bmir does or at least did (they may still) seem willing to try German routes from BRS with HAM and HAJ as well as FRA and MUC, although HAJ no longer operates and the HAM and BRS catchments have important business links with the likes of Airbus.
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Going hand in hand with the four new routes is the announcement of an additional based aircraft next summer or at least for part of it which will make 12.
Given that GIB and OPO are 3 x weekly and ACE and CTA 2 x weekly there does seem scope for further route enhancement if the aircraft is to be utilised fully.
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Germanwings is no longer the airline it used to be 10 years ago. It has a differentiated product and also code-shares with the likes of LX and OS. In fact, it also provides feed to UA to/from LHR. So it is possible that BD can work something out if it thinks connecting passengers are needed to make it feasible. Not sure that it is indeed needed, given that MAN and BHX have 7 weekdaily flights to DUS and apparently up to 600 seats a day to DUS are filled from those destinations.
As others have said, DUS has a really good network of UK destinations so there appears to be a market: GLA, MAN, BHX, LBA, NCL, LGW, LHR, STN, LCY plus seasonal flights to JER, GCI, NQY, INV, EXT. In the past, there were also flights to EDI and SOU, and destinations like NCL and GLA are, as far as non-LCCs are concerned, an exclusive for DUS and not served from MUC and FRA.
This could, of course, also mean that "QLA" is a filler for another UK destination and not for BRS. EMA would be a possibility, given that nearby CGN was served from there by various airlines in the past and BD has an aircraft based at EMA anyway. Guess we will just have to wait and see.
As others have said, DUS has a really good network of UK destinations so there appears to be a market: GLA, MAN, BHX, LBA, NCL, LGW, LHR, STN, LCY plus seasonal flights to JER, GCI, NQY, INV, EXT. In the past, there were also flights to EDI and SOU, and destinations like NCL and GLA are, as far as non-LCCs are concerned, an exclusive for DUS and not served from MUC and FRA.
This could, of course, also mean that "QLA" is a filler for another UK destination and not for BRS. EMA would be a possibility, given that nearby CGN was served from there by various airlines in the past and BD has an aircraft based at EMA anyway. Guess we will just have to wait and see.
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How do we think GIB will do ? Might be concerned reasonable loads but dire yields
BRS appears to be easyJet's only other GIB destination apart from LGW.
When it was announced I wondered about Keflavik which started last December but that one seems to be doing all right as a year-round route with the 2 x weekly of last winter increased to 3 x weekly this winter.
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I would have thought that would have been obvious. GIB is well and truly in the low rent category with about 5 other airports within 100 miles of it ! Porto as you know, is not in that category and is individual and niche with novelty value and some relatively untapped business appeal.
Have you ever watched the punters on that Gibraltar Airport docusoap?.
Have you ever watched the punters on that Gibraltar Airport docusoap?.
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No I've not heard of the docusoap you mention. Thank you for your response.
Presumably the easyJet management is aware of the likely clientele as you describe it, so time will tell if they live to regret their decision.
Presumably the easyJet management is aware of the likely clientele as you describe it, so time will tell if they live to regret their decision.
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Firstly its not about the airport..The people on the programme, , you mention are ghastly, (although you seem to have no problem watching it) but they are ex pats, few of them local, picked because they are lowest common denominator..They are even more despised by the people of Gibraltar themselves. Quite what they have to do with the success of any route, apart from cheap comments, is not clear..
Nice place to visit, not low rent and I wish them the best of luck with the route
Firstly its not about the airport..The people on the programme, , you mention are ghastly, (although you seem to have no problem watching it) but they are ex pats, few of them local, picked because they are lowest common denominator..They are even more despised by the people of Gibraltar themselves. Quite what they have to do with the success of any route, apart from cheap comments, is not clear..
Nice place to visit, not low rent and I wish them the best of luck with the route
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With the addition of another Easy jet aircraft for summer 2015, plus Ryanair back up to four and I believe Thomson basing an additional 737-800,how many any aircraft will be at Bristol for Summer 2015 and what apron capacity does the Airport have North side.
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I'm not sure how many stands there are at present - three new ones were built last year.
Currently next summer's based complement appears to be:
easyJet 12 x A319/320
Ryanair 4 x B 738
Thomson 2 x B 752 and 1 x B 738
Thomas Cook 2 x A 321
bmi regional 4/5? x E 135/145 including the one operating for Brussels Airlines (also one on the South Side for the Airbus corporate shuttle?)
Also a KLM E 190 nightstopping
Currently next summer's based complement appears to be:
easyJet 12 x A319/320
Ryanair 4 x B 738
Thomson 2 x B 752 and 1 x B 738
Thomas Cook 2 x A 321
bmi regional 4/5? x E 135/145 including the one operating for Brussels Airlines (also one on the South Side for the Airbus corporate shuttle?)
Also a KLM E 190 nightstopping
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Merchant Venture, there are currently capacity for 28 aircraft to be parked overnight at BRS. However, I can't help but feel that even during the peak summer period, that parking stands could be much better utilised throughout the day to increase potential destinations and pax figures. even if it is only the odd one or 2 extra aircraft, that would be hugely beneficial.
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Old rumour I know that airport talking closely to United Airlines about rekindling NYC, but do we think American starting BHX-JFK alongside United to EWR might affect things?
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There have been 'strong' rumours about American Airlines but it seems that the BHX initiative has scotched any chance there might have been there. United has also been mentioned but it may have all started with the comment of the BRS CEO earlier this year when he spoke of something happening in 'the very near future'.
As for Ryanair they've been fairly static at BRS for several years although some routes have come and gone to be replaced by others.
It looks as though the future is increasingly orange with strong hints from quarters that should not be lightly dismissed that there is more to come as there is with bmi regional.
One negative piece of news is that Helvetic appears to have pulled out altogether according to an email sent to a poster on another forum.
As for Ryanair they've been fairly static at BRS for several years although some routes have come and gone to be replaced by others.
It looks as though the future is increasingly orange with strong hints from quarters that should not be lightly dismissed that there is more to come as there is with bmi regional.
One negative piece of news is that Helvetic appears to have pulled out altogether according to an email sent to a poster on another forum.