BRISTOL - 4
StandupfortheUlstermen
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Peoples' Democratic Republic of Wurzelsetshire
Age: 53
Posts: 1,182
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Nice to see you were paying attention CCH!
Has to be said though, it is a strange looking beast and not what I was expecting to see when I rolled up at the gate.
Maybe we should get a price from them for hiring it out for the next joint watch rave!
Has to be said though, it is a strange looking beast and not what I was expecting to see when I rolled up at the gate.
Maybe we should get a price from them for hiring it out for the next joint watch rave!
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Greater Manchester, UK
Posts: 185
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Firstly it joined the Hawarden ILS, went around due to wind, went in for a second attempt but once again went around. Went into the hold a couple of times over Hawarden then climbed up to FL150 heading down your way.
Sam
Sam
Brunel to Concorde
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Virtute et Industria, et Sumorsaete Ealle
Posts: 2,283
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Nice for us 'southerners' to have a look at the whale - it's usually the 'northerners' across the city who are more likely to see her on the ground.
Does the Beluga still make regular trips into Filton? There is a nice photo on one of the FZO websites showing one parked up there.
Back to BRS, provisional CAA stats show just under 5.9 million passengers were handled during the year to 31 December 2007, an increase of 3.0% on 2006.
December 2007 saw 405,000 passengers, up 9.1% on December 2006 - mainly attributable to the new Ryanair services of course.
The local press recently highlighted BRS's decision to charge £1 (non-returnable, unlike many supermarkets) for the use of baggage trolleys.
The airport said fewer passengers now use them owing to the growing popularity of wheeled suitcases and the charge will enable the trolleys to be more closely monitored so they will be more readily available to those that want them. Hmm!
An item on this evening's ITV West local news suggests regional planners will recommend to the secretary of state that the land surrounding Bristol Airport should be removed from the green belt to allow it to be developed for related use such as warehousing (and presumably make it easier for the airport itself to expand).
That will go down well with the anti-expansionists and the local authority which seems very lukewarm on the idea of any further expansion.
Does the Beluga still make regular trips into Filton? There is a nice photo on one of the FZO websites showing one parked up there.
Back to BRS, provisional CAA stats show just under 5.9 million passengers were handled during the year to 31 December 2007, an increase of 3.0% on 2006.
December 2007 saw 405,000 passengers, up 9.1% on December 2006 - mainly attributable to the new Ryanair services of course.
The local press recently highlighted BRS's decision to charge £1 (non-returnable, unlike many supermarkets) for the use of baggage trolleys.
The airport said fewer passengers now use them owing to the growing popularity of wheeled suitcases and the charge will enable the trolleys to be more closely monitored so they will be more readily available to those that want them. Hmm!
An item on this evening's ITV West local news suggests regional planners will recommend to the secretary of state that the land surrounding Bristol Airport should be removed from the green belt to allow it to be developed for related use such as warehousing (and presumably make it easier for the airport itself to expand).
That will go down well with the anti-expansionists and the local authority which seems very lukewarm on the idea of any further expansion.
Last edited by MerchantVenturer; 22nd Jan 2008 at 17:17. Reason: to include the bit about the green belt
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: SOUTH WEST
Posts: 257
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Walkway,
Whats the latest on the new walklway out to the western apron, heard a rumour that it has been postponed due to oposition from local parish councilors. ( of which most of them will have moved into the area in the last few years,) they're not happy with taking all the houses from locals, they want to do them out of work as well
Whats the latest on the new walklway out to the western apron, heard a rumour that it has been postponed due to oposition from local parish councilors. ( of which most of them will have moved into the area in the last few years,) they're not happy with taking all the houses from locals, they want to do them out of work as well
Brunel to Concorde
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Virtute et Industria, et Sumorsaete Ealle
Posts: 2,283
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I saw something in the local paper last week about the anti-expansion consortium complaining about the airport's decision to push ahead with the walkway without requesting planning permission.
The airport said it comes under works not requiring such permission and although this seems to be accepted by the antis they say the airport should apply for planning permission anyway so that the elected representatives of the community can decide.
The newspaper report certainly did not suggest the airport was having second thoughts although they may have had in the meantime. THE CEO said the walkway would mean that 95% of flights (I think that was the figure - it was a huge proportion anyway) could then be reached without the need for a bus, emphasising the environment card.
What sort of walkway will it be?
It's a long way to the western apron. Without some form of moving platform the elderly and less fit will find it a trial.
PS Thanks for the Beluga information, bristolflyer.
The airport said it comes under works not requiring such permission and although this seems to be accepted by the antis they say the airport should apply for planning permission anyway so that the elected representatives of the community can decide.
The newspaper report certainly did not suggest the airport was having second thoughts although they may have had in the meantime. THE CEO said the walkway would mean that 95% of flights (I think that was the figure - it was a huge proportion anyway) could then be reached without the need for a bus, emphasising the environment card.
What sort of walkway will it be?
It's a long way to the western apron. Without some form of moving platform the elderly and less fit will find it a trial.
PS Thanks for the Beluga information, bristolflyer.
StandupfortheUlstermen
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Peoples' Democratic Republic of Wurzelsetshire
Age: 53
Posts: 1,182
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What sort of walkway will it be?
Thankfully without windows on our side as far as I can see, the temptation to entertain the passing pax with a moondance has been cruelly snatched from our grasp!
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: The Burrow, N53:48:02 W1:48:57, The Tin Tent - EGBS, EGBO
Posts: 2,297
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
was routing Bremen to Chester
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: SOUTH WEST
Posts: 257
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Watabench, ( happy new year-see you're still full of the xmas spirit. nice to know your still live and kicking, how you doing )
Thats not the attitude is it ?, filton would never happen as you know, when the airport relocated from Whitchurch in 57, it was requested that Filton could be used as the new site for Bristol Airport by Bristol Corporation as it was at the time, however BAC refused saying you could not mix a commercial entity with an aircrft manufacturing facility and that was that.
Now that was in the heyday's when Brtiain led the world in a/c inovation and the order books were full, a sad difference from today, now more and more land is being sold off for housing and business use, that would rule out future repositioning, unless they do what they did in the past and send in the bulldozers and remove any trace of residencies around the area,never be permitted now, just imagine last weeks BA 777 incident had happened at Filton. At Heathrow i know the a/c cleared the the airfield boundry but landed 800-1000 mtrs short, now imagine that a/c landing 800-1000 mtr's short of Filtons threshold, doesn't bear thinking about does it.
Remember in 89-90 ish when Mr Arrogant ( with the strange celtic spelling of his name ) from BAe announced that they were going to operate a commercial airport at Filton, and flights would be operated by Air Bristol BAe 1-11's, and that they had already converted a building on the site for use as a terminal building and that they would be in operation within 3-4 months, the resulting inquiry soon kicked his a***,( what ever happened to him ? ) and said that was the end of the matter- no appeals.
Now i have lived within a mile from the airport all of my life and do not notice any noise, no im not deaf, but its like living near a railway, you just get used to it, however when i drive around my village, i know for a fact that 75-80% of my neighbours have only recently ( within 10 years )moved in and my village is not one of the popular in the area, also most of my school friends have left the area due to no employment and unable to buy a home in their local area due to retired gentry and company directors on highly inflated earnings forcing them out and taking over local parish councils, then deciding what is best for the indigenous oiks and imbesiles that still reside in their village, example :- one upper class snob actually tried to take a farmer to court to have his farms dung heap removed and to stop him spreading it on the fields due to the offensive smell it caused, its sad that there are people with the inclination and the ability to cause such mayhem in the community, as with the farmers dung heap, the airport was there when they arrived, so why buy the house in the first place, a second example was during the first public inquiry for the new terminal in 2000, when a t*** stood up and said " i moved here from near Heathrow two months ago and im not going to put up with that again "
Well now ive vented my spleen i feel better, now lets have some sense and see some progress
Thats not the attitude is it ?, filton would never happen as you know, when the airport relocated from Whitchurch in 57, it was requested that Filton could be used as the new site for Bristol Airport by Bristol Corporation as it was at the time, however BAC refused saying you could not mix a commercial entity with an aircrft manufacturing facility and that was that.
Now that was in the heyday's when Brtiain led the world in a/c inovation and the order books were full, a sad difference from today, now more and more land is being sold off for housing and business use, that would rule out future repositioning, unless they do what they did in the past and send in the bulldozers and remove any trace of residencies around the area,never be permitted now, just imagine last weeks BA 777 incident had happened at Filton. At Heathrow i know the a/c cleared the the airfield boundry but landed 800-1000 mtrs short, now imagine that a/c landing 800-1000 mtr's short of Filtons threshold, doesn't bear thinking about does it.
Remember in 89-90 ish when Mr Arrogant ( with the strange celtic spelling of his name ) from BAe announced that they were going to operate a commercial airport at Filton, and flights would be operated by Air Bristol BAe 1-11's, and that they had already converted a building on the site for use as a terminal building and that they would be in operation within 3-4 months, the resulting inquiry soon kicked his a***,( what ever happened to him ? ) and said that was the end of the matter- no appeals.
Now i have lived within a mile from the airport all of my life and do not notice any noise, no im not deaf, but its like living near a railway, you just get used to it, however when i drive around my village, i know for a fact that 75-80% of my neighbours have only recently ( within 10 years )moved in and my village is not one of the popular in the area, also most of my school friends have left the area due to no employment and unable to buy a home in their local area due to retired gentry and company directors on highly inflated earnings forcing them out and taking over local parish councils, then deciding what is best for the indigenous oiks and imbesiles that still reside in their village, example :- one upper class snob actually tried to take a farmer to court to have his farms dung heap removed and to stop him spreading it on the fields due to the offensive smell it caused, its sad that there are people with the inclination and the ability to cause such mayhem in the community, as with the farmers dung heap, the airport was there when they arrived, so why buy the house in the first place, a second example was during the first public inquiry for the new terminal in 2000, when a t*** stood up and said " i moved here from near Heathrow two months ago and im not going to put up with that again "
Well now ive vented my spleen i feel better, now lets have some sense and see some progress
Last edited by crackling jet; 26th Jan 2008 at 14:59.
MV -
You say that a walkway at Bristol would be very long, but have you visited Luton in the last few years? There is now a walkway from the East side of the new terminal round to stand 1, on the western edge of the old main apron. Signs suggest passengers allow 15 minutes (!) for the walk, and there are no travellators/moving walkways. I don't know how far it is, or how it compares with distances at Bristol, but you walk past the equivalent of a dozen or so nose-in parking stands.
I don't believe Luton required planning permission, and it was constructed during Mr Kehoe's reign....
You say that a walkway at Bristol would be very long, but have you visited Luton in the last few years? There is now a walkway from the East side of the new terminal round to stand 1, on the western edge of the old main apron. Signs suggest passengers allow 15 minutes (!) for the walk, and there are no travellators/moving walkways. I don't know how far it is, or how it compares with distances at Bristol, but you walk past the equivalent of a dozen or so nose-in parking stands.
I don't believe Luton required planning permission, and it was constructed during Mr Kehoe's reign....
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London (Babylon-on-Thames)
Age: 42
Posts: 6,168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Didn't the Hawker Siddley plant at Chester not build Comets? Guess the runway and such is long gone now.
Last edited by Skipness One Echo; 26th Jan 2008 at 15:13.
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 332
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hawarden [CEG / EGNR] (also often referred to as Broughton or Chester Airport...depending on who you ask) does have a reasonable runway.
It was lengthened some years ago when the Beluga started flying to avoid the odd situation of building the airbus wings on an airfield and then having to truck them up the road to manchester to catch their flight to Toulouse!
CEG also regularly handles the A319 of Privatair which operates the airbus inter-site company shuttle...plus I believe that Eastern still has a Jetstream based on site to do the local double daily shuttle for airbus down to Filton.
There is a tiny 'terminal' on the north side of the field which caters for business jets etc.
Given the relative closeness to the city (and remember the number of banking corporations etc located very close by on Deesside), plus lack of decent airport for north wales, the thought has often crossed my mind that CEG would support sort of a smaller version of Southampton airport...you could easily imagine a double daily J41 or D38 to LCY, EDI, AMS for the business traffic and something like an Aer Arran to DUB for the low cost leisure.
Some years ago this might have been given the time of day by the airfield operator, but now that control has effectively passed to Airbus, BAE no longer has to worry so much about 'bigging up' the value of the site...
It was lengthened some years ago when the Beluga started flying to avoid the odd situation of building the airbus wings on an airfield and then having to truck them up the road to manchester to catch their flight to Toulouse!
CEG also regularly handles the A319 of Privatair which operates the airbus inter-site company shuttle...plus I believe that Eastern still has a Jetstream based on site to do the local double daily shuttle for airbus down to Filton.
There is a tiny 'terminal' on the north side of the field which caters for business jets etc.
Given the relative closeness to the city (and remember the number of banking corporations etc located very close by on Deesside), plus lack of decent airport for north wales, the thought has often crossed my mind that CEG would support sort of a smaller version of Southampton airport...you could easily imagine a double daily J41 or D38 to LCY, EDI, AMS for the business traffic and something like an Aer Arran to DUB for the low cost leisure.
Some years ago this might have been given the time of day by the airfield operator, but now that control has effectively passed to Airbus, BAE no longer has to worry so much about 'bigging up' the value of the site...
StandupfortheUlstermen
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Peoples' Democratic Republic of Wurzelsetshire
Age: 53
Posts: 1,182
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
crackling jet - hear! hear!
Crikey, some people have a funny idea about what's low cost!
something like an Aer Arran to DUB for the low cost leisure
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: The Burrow, N53:48:02 W1:48:57, The Tin Tent - EGBS, EGBO
Posts: 2,297
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Globetrotter, I was born and brought up in Liverpool and had several friends from the Chester area. I never once hear Hawarden being referred to as "Chester", it was always "Hawarden" and RAF Sealand was always "Sealand". Having flown into Hawarden, it was my first stop on my QXC, I have been to the terminal with its friendly ATC staff. The Airbus sheds can be something of a nightmare when the wind is in the wrong direction as not only is it a crosswind, but it bounces back across the runway creating some nasty turbulence. If I'm not mistaken there is also a FTO based there.
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 332
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
DXWombat
The "Chester" reference is perhaps only a marketing ploy by the handling agent (which operates the 'temporary'/bizjet terminal on the north side of the field) to attract in the businessmen. Nevertheless, it is there and these guys are actively marketing the airfield as such (you'll find the website as "Chester Airport"...I assume I'm not allowed to post the full URL on here, but a simple google search will bring up the right site).
The "Chester" reference is perhaps only a marketing ploy by the handling agent (which operates the 'temporary'/bizjet terminal on the north side of the field) to attract in the businessmen. Nevertheless, it is there and these guys are actively marketing the airfield as such (you'll find the website as "Chester Airport"...I assume I'm not allowed to post the full URL on here, but a simple google search will bring up the right site).
Brunel to Concorde
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Virtute et Industria, et Sumorsaete Ealle
Posts: 2,283
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
crackling jet,
I grew up in the Wrington/Redhill area in the 1940s and 50s and have seen Wrington and other villages in the airport hinterland turn into almost small towns in comparison with those days because of the massive growth of incomers during the past forty years or so.
I have nothing against villages developing in this way or people moving to the country to live, but it does get my goat when the same people say the expansion of the airport will ruin their tranquil havens. They have already destroyed the rural idylls of past generations by their increased numbers.
Many of them produce carbon emissions by choosing to live in the country and then having to commute to Bristol and Bath for work (the only time the A 38 is really busy is at morning and evening commute time), yet one of their key objections to airport expansion is the damage aircraft do to the environment.
In my experience the majority of the traditional village families support and enjoy the airport - apart from anything else it provides work. You have highlighted the incomers who seem fixated on a sanitised version of village life illustrated on expensive chocolate box covers, with no smelly fields and certainly no nasty airports. They have taken over the villages and are to be seen in all sorts of leading positions from parish councils to amateur dramatic groups.
They don’t want the Green Belt reduced. Where do they imagine the houses they now live in were built? I’ll tell them - many on former green field sites.
These people are doing potential damage to the region’s economy, and possibly to some of their own jobs by their continued airport opposition.
The Bristol city region is extremely successful economically and the city is invariably in the top five UK cities when surveys are undertaken to determine the favourite cities for businesses to relocate.
For example, the latest Cushman and Wakefield UK Cities Business Monitor found that Bristol is the fourth best UK city in which to locate a business, after London, Manchester and Birmingham.
Part of the study found that in the next five years Manchester can expect the biggest influx of new companies followed by Birmingham and Bristol.
The study was made up of various components and one important factor highlighted by business executives in deciding to locate a business is international transport links. Bristol came fifth in this measure after London, Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow.
A thriving and expanding airport is therefore essential if the city region is to retain its competitive edge
Taking another of your points, Filton is certainly a non-starter these days. I think it was around 1995 or 1996 when the public enquiry was held into Bae’s application to turn that airfield into a city airport which resulted in the secretary of state (Selwyn Gummer?) eventually turning it down.
LGS6753,
BRS already has some covered walkways to stands nearest the terminal. They are ugly (I accept this is subjective) and draughty, especially when you have to queue in one for 5 or 10 minutes on a cold winter’s morning waiting to be allowed to walk across to the aircraft steps.
It sounds from Standard Noise’s description that the new one will be little different.
It is a great pity we shall be denied potential entertainment from him and his colleagues though.
Having had a look at Google Earth I would estimate the distance to the extreme end of BRS’s western terminal may be slighty shorter than the one at LTN that you mentioned; still a fairish walk though.
I grew up in the Wrington/Redhill area in the 1940s and 50s and have seen Wrington and other villages in the airport hinterland turn into almost small towns in comparison with those days because of the massive growth of incomers during the past forty years or so.
I have nothing against villages developing in this way or people moving to the country to live, but it does get my goat when the same people say the expansion of the airport will ruin their tranquil havens. They have already destroyed the rural idylls of past generations by their increased numbers.
Many of them produce carbon emissions by choosing to live in the country and then having to commute to Bristol and Bath for work (the only time the A 38 is really busy is at morning and evening commute time), yet one of their key objections to airport expansion is the damage aircraft do to the environment.
In my experience the majority of the traditional village families support and enjoy the airport - apart from anything else it provides work. You have highlighted the incomers who seem fixated on a sanitised version of village life illustrated on expensive chocolate box covers, with no smelly fields and certainly no nasty airports. They have taken over the villages and are to be seen in all sorts of leading positions from parish councils to amateur dramatic groups.
They don’t want the Green Belt reduced. Where do they imagine the houses they now live in were built? I’ll tell them - many on former green field sites.
These people are doing potential damage to the region’s economy, and possibly to some of their own jobs by their continued airport opposition.
The Bristol city region is extremely successful economically and the city is invariably in the top five UK cities when surveys are undertaken to determine the favourite cities for businesses to relocate.
For example, the latest Cushman and Wakefield UK Cities Business Monitor found that Bristol is the fourth best UK city in which to locate a business, after London, Manchester and Birmingham.
Part of the study found that in the next five years Manchester can expect the biggest influx of new companies followed by Birmingham and Bristol.
The study was made up of various components and one important factor highlighted by business executives in deciding to locate a business is international transport links. Bristol came fifth in this measure after London, Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow.
A thriving and expanding airport is therefore essential if the city region is to retain its competitive edge
Taking another of your points, Filton is certainly a non-starter these days. I think it was around 1995 or 1996 when the public enquiry was held into Bae’s application to turn that airfield into a city airport which resulted in the secretary of state (Selwyn Gummer?) eventually turning it down.
LGS6753,
BRS already has some covered walkways to stands nearest the terminal. They are ugly (I accept this is subjective) and draughty, especially when you have to queue in one for 5 or 10 minutes on a cold winter’s morning waiting to be allowed to walk across to the aircraft steps.
It sounds from Standard Noise’s description that the new one will be little different.
It is a great pity we shall be denied potential entertainment from him and his colleagues though.
Having had a look at Google Earth I would estimate the distance to the extreme end of BRS’s western terminal may be slighty shorter than the one at LTN that you mentioned; still a fairish walk though.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: SOUTH WEST
Posts: 257
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
M.V.
Well said, another local who knows whats good for our area's prosperity, as you said they infiltrate positions of power in greater numbers than local people, then dictate what can and can't be done. have you noticed that any plans for things such as development at the airport or affordable low cost housing for the remaining younger members of the community to stay in the area are shot straight down, stating by the parish councils as this is not the sort of development we want in our village, yet you drive round the villages and how many 4-5 bedroom luxury houses are springing up in what used to be fields!, you only know about it when the contractors move in and not a word is heard, presumably because it's some more of their people on the way.
Perhaps we should borrow the system our celtic neighbors used in the eighties when outsiders (english) arrived " come home to real fire,buy a house in (wales) the village.( No offense to all across the water, it was a belter )
Well said, another local who knows whats good for our area's prosperity, as you said they infiltrate positions of power in greater numbers than local people, then dictate what can and can't be done. have you noticed that any plans for things such as development at the airport or affordable low cost housing for the remaining younger members of the community to stay in the area are shot straight down, stating by the parish councils as this is not the sort of development we want in our village, yet you drive round the villages and how many 4-5 bedroom luxury houses are springing up in what used to be fields!, you only know about it when the contractors move in and not a word is heard, presumably because it's some more of their people on the way.
Perhaps we should borrow the system our celtic neighbors used in the eighties when outsiders (english) arrived " come home to real fire,buy a house in (wales) the village.( No offense to all across the water, it was a belter )