BRISTOL - 4

[CentreFix25]

Ezy > Ncl
Ek > Dbx

Same trouble with the bags though.

[sweet home ncl]

Thank's bristol traveler, hopefully they will get it sorted!

[BRS_flyer]

FR have done some serious route announcing today so it may have been a mistake as a lot of new routes have been loaded into the booking system. It certainly would be a surprise to see those 2 routes announced, particularly as it would require a number of sectors a day to make them worth operating. If true I would be surprised to see EDI rather than PIK

[devon_guy]

I'd be very surprised as you can't get MAN-BRS or EDI-BRS despite BRS-MAN and BRS-EDI coming up. I reckon it's an error, though I could well be wrong.

[Suzeman]

FR are saying 4 more routes from MAN by June 2008 in addition to the 4 announced today, so who knows.

But with the new X-country train services from BRS -MAN , I don't think this would be any good, especially with a B737.

Suzeman

[HEADWAY]

Hi does anyone know if Ryanair have changed their minds about allocating more nightstopping aircraft since Bristol haven't been mentioned in the new route allocation 2 days ago. I heard a while back that there may be one aircraft in March 2008 and one in May 2008.

[crackling jet]

With the 'magnificant seven' BAA airports strike looming next month, does anyone know whether Bristol has been approached-nominated to take some of the southeast airports movements as has Cwl according to Mathers-wales.

Its about this time of year when for whatever reason weather,fog etc that Brs seems to attract diversions, in previous occassions over the years we have seen the airport packed to the gills with a/c parked all over the airfield.

And does anyone remember when SAS transferred their whole operation for over twenty four hours to Brs bringing their own ground equipment and catering vehicles down from LHR.

Though that was when the airport ran everything themselves,pre sell out days, and one has to wonder if all partners have the ability let alone the will to tackle it,i'd like to think so but i doubt it after previous demonstrations

[Ranger 1]

I remember the SAS Diversions back in the late 80's very well, as I was the duty Marshaller on that day & had to plan & park them,which included on the taxiways, it was quite challenging as Hold A was closed due to Works everything was entering at B (which was then called C) for backtrack line up prior to departure, which had to kept clear, it was without doubt one of the most satisfying 14hr shifts I have ever done although I admit a bit scary at times squeezing them in.
It was due to Shallow fog covering much of the UK, at one period that day us & Prestwick were the only UK airports open to VFR ILS Cat 1 traffic.
We eventually fogged out at around 2000 hrs visibility dropped to 50m!
We all had a bonus of £50 in our pay that Christmas for our hard work, only to loose all traffic here over that Christmas period due to Freezing fog that lasted 5 days.
Procedures for diversions have always been in place, & the possible effects of BAA disruption have already been in our minds since they announced possible strike action a couple of weeks ago.
All the best for 2008
Ranger 1

[cornishsimon]

just curious here but what would the likely diversion airports be should the baa strike actually go ahead.
know its not the correct thread but.............

[HZ123]

I would hazard a guess that inbound aircraft would not be greatly affected by virtue of management providing a limited cover and short haul diverting or more than likely being cancelled. At LHR (I stand to be corrected) there seems to be little talk about it and not a great deal of appetite. One of the largest groups within the BAA plc and its limited companies are the Security and I am confident that senior management are up for a fight if the outcome might be outsourcing this particular group. Other than limited scope for diverts to MAN, LTN and BHX there are very few airports availible to provide resources for longhaul aircraft.

[cornishsimon]

yeah agreed with that
however there are airports out there that could accomidate long haul a/c should the need be

i dont know what spare capacity there is at the likes of Manchester and Birmingham, but im sure that the likes of NQY who do have a handling contract with ba for example would be very keen to attract diversions. facilities and runway are able to cope with it. any others that could accomidate longhaul a/c ?

[MUFC_fan]

Would say:

LHR/LGW/STN - BHX/MAN
SOU - BOH
GLA/EDI/ABZ - PIK/MAN

Isn't it upto the captain anyway?

[AirLCY]

If the strikes do go ahead airlines will be notified in advance and pre plan any diversions, most airlines are likely to cancel flights(scheduled airlines) or delay them by 24hr where possible(charter airlines). BRS is likely to know well in advance if an airline is choosing to use it as an alternate to LHR etc.

[crackling jet]

HZ123

It is not only security is it, what about the firefighters,if they are not there, then thats it 'endex', so the incoming would be effected just as much. Remember when Gate Gourmet went on strike, how long was it to get back to normal after the strike and they are only a supply source. in addition the airport was still operational, albeit delayed and congested, so whats it going to be like when the two most legally required groups at an airport aren't there. at least the a/c wont take long to get back in postion, because they wont have gone anywhere to be in the wrong place and the inbounds will still be sat overseas waiting for an airport somewhere.

[mathers_wales_uk]

I'm sure all carriers would like to operate as many flights as they possibly could. If the BAA airports has a planned closure then the operations department has control over Captain instructing where to divert to.

If Heathrow and the other 6 airports are closed due to strike then i'm led to believe it will be not possible to have a slot for them and therefore an alternate flight plan will ned to be filed with an alternate destination.

It will not be possible for the airport to operate as there will not be sagnificant fire coverage for aircraft to land, plus no security personel.
Apparently Zoom, BA so far are looking at CWL if the strike does materialise.

Bearing in mind that Heathrow, Gatwick, Stanstead, Southampton, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen will all be out, this will be a massive blow to the UK airline infurstucture and the knock on effects will last for at least a week.

[birdscarer]

There is a meeting in the New Year regarding the BAA matter. No rumours....no speculation....NO BS! Lets just see what is said before jumping the gun. BRS has always proved it can handle what is thrown this way-lets see.
Everyone mentions Fire Cat but Its also worth pointing out-no Ops guys....no runway! It doesn't matter what the Fire Cat is!

[Standard Noise]

Ah, but you're assuming that no one else can keep a runway open.
Some of us have done it before you know, long before Ops depts were a twinkle in the Airport's eye.

Now then, where's my goldfish cos it's definitely bigger than yours.

[birdscarer]

See-this is where BAA have failed....Send NATS out on our airfield to cover a strike and they would be eaten by a well trained, very vicious Hare before they get anywhere near the runway strip! Mark my words.....we call him General Woundwort!

[Standard Noise]

Hares!? Nope, don't do hares, rabbits yes, hares no way.
I'm stayin' in me glass cage unless I get a guarantee of immunity from hare-assment.

[Ranger 1]

Standard Noise; Ahhh those were the days when you used to do that, quick run down the runway in a series Land Rover, Bird scaring tape on full blast then back into the cosy office! anyone can keep a runway open, but as regards the to a standard required to meet the Aerodrome licence conditions is another, I beleive a certain airport in the UK tired that back in May & came a tad unstuck.
Tell me did you place the Goose Necks out at dusk as well?
Happy New Year to you all.