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Cityjet
I have just tried to book city jet flights leaving belfast late october then coming back to belfast early november. It seems you can only book flights up to the last fri of october. Do you think this means the end of the route, although passenger numbers are now starting to increase, or the scotairways do38 is returning to them and a different aircraft will be deployed on this route?
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Jetstream Express stop BHD service
Notice on Jetstrem Express website today:
"With immediate effect, Jetstream Express have ceased operating the routes to Blackpool, Aberdeen, Southampton and Belfast.
All unused portions of the tickets will be refunded shortly and you will be contacted regarding this using the contact details provided to us.We regret this action and the inconvenience it may cause but these routes have not proved viable"
See also: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=272762&page=5
"With immediate effect, Jetstream Express have ceased operating the routes to Blackpool, Aberdeen, Southampton and Belfast.
All unused portions of the tickets will be refunded shortly and you will be contacted regarding this using the contact details provided to us.We regret this action and the inconvenience it may cause but these routes have not proved viable"
See also: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=272762&page=5
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Really should do your homework!!
The City is required to ensure that a bias of flightpaths must be over Belfast lough and this is achieved every month without fail. This means that the majority of flights have nothing below them but water for the initial part of the climb out and inbound a/c often don`t fly over any land at all untill on short final.
As for Bfs not investing in infrastructure because of Bhd come on you can`t be serious. Bhd will never be Ni`s number one airport but it has had a significant effect on reducing the airfares for Ni pax regardless of which airport they chose. Competition is a good thing in such a small market as a monopoly will only cost us all more money. Airlines are not operated for the benefit of the passengers and to restrict growth at Bhd just to help Bfs would be ridiculous.
Of course thats only my opinion and what would i know.
Ps Welcome back CF !!
Really should do your homework!!
The City is required to ensure that a bias of flightpaths must be over Belfast lough and this is achieved every month without fail. This means that the majority of flights have nothing below them but water for the initial part of the climb out and inbound a/c often don`t fly over any land at all untill on short final.
As for Bfs not investing in infrastructure because of Bhd come on you can`t be serious. Bhd will never be Ni`s number one airport but it has had a significant effect on reducing the airfares for Ni pax regardless of which airport they chose. Competition is a good thing in such a small market as a monopoly will only cost us all more money. Airlines are not operated for the benefit of the passengers and to restrict growth at Bhd just to help Bfs would be ridiculous.
Of course thats only my opinion and what would i know.
Ps Welcome back CF !!
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Could we finally stop the bhd/bfs argument it seems to be progressing
nowhere. I think everyone realises that BFS will always be the main ni airport with bhd being a convienient city airport. I hope aer lingus comes to bfs but also hope that there will be further expansion at bhd. I also hope their will be another lhr service from bfs by either aer lingus or ba to increase competition, making bmi finally lower prices, and boost the economy of northern ireland. I hope their will be a rail link to bfs to help belfast passengers who need to get bfs fast and easily. I will welcome all developments to aviation in ni. The possibility of fr operating at bhd is extreamly unlikely but strange things like this have happened before.
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nowhere. I think everyone realises that BFS will always be the main ni airport with bhd being a convienient city airport. I hope aer lingus comes to bfs but also hope that there will be further expansion at bhd. I also hope their will be another lhr service from bfs by either aer lingus or ba to increase competition, making bmi finally lower prices, and boost the economy of northern ireland. I hope their will be a rail link to bfs to help belfast passengers who need to get bfs fast and easily. I will welcome all developments to aviation in ni. The possibility of fr operating at bhd is extreamly unlikely but strange things like this have happened before.
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Well said agree 100%, but what else can we talk about until EI or FR make an announcement. BE or running themselves into the ground with delays etc, BD are pricing themselves out of NI, EZY/WW sitting quietly. Jet 2 seem to be the only airline moving forward at Belfast now, although at a snails pace. The long haul market seems hot at the moment. I was checking out flights to Vancouver with zoom recently and most of their up-graded seats always seemed to be sold-out a couple of weeks ahead. Lets see, flights per week across the pond EWR - 7, Toronto (Including Halifax/hamilton) 2 TS, 2 OOM, 1 GSM, Sanford 2 MYT, 1 TCX, 1 GSM, Vancouver 1, Cancun 1, Just counting up in my head open to corrections/ommissions (of course this is the busy 12th.)
Well said agree 100%, but what else can we talk about until EI or FR make an announcement. BE or running themselves into the ground with delays etc, BD are pricing themselves out of NI, EZY/WW sitting quietly. Jet 2 seem to be the only airline moving forward at Belfast now, although at a snails pace. The long haul market seems hot at the moment. I was checking out flights to Vancouver with zoom recently and most of their up-graded seats always seemed to be sold-out a couple of weeks ahead. Lets see, flights per week across the pond EWR - 7, Toronto (Including Halifax/hamilton) 2 TS, 2 OOM, 1 GSM, Sanford 2 MYT, 1 TCX, 1 GSM, Vancouver 1, Cancun 1, Just counting up in my head open to corrections/ommissions (of course this is the busy 12th.)
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The plot thickens. Have you seen page 39 of this morning's Belfast Telegraph? The headline on the page lead is 'Flybe may be about to quit City Airport for Aldergrove'.
Apparently, the airline had a three hour briefing with BFS Chief Executive John Doran and senior management yesterday.
Anyone know anything about this?
Apparently, the airline had a three hour briefing with BFS Chief Executive John Doran and senior management yesterday.
Anyone know anything about this?
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Is that the bizz tele of yesterday, if this is true sounds like a warning to BCA about Ryanair. Who is this feeder of info to the tele. Why does he not contribute to this forum, mind you if he did would you believe him-Ryanair setting up at city, BE moving to BFS......
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Maybe they are going to split their services between both. International flights at BFS (no restrictions) base a couple of aircraft to carry out a few continental destinations. Can't see them switching GLA/ EDI/ MAN/ BHX/ LGW/ CWL/ NCL. If they did switch all operations to bfs the bmi group may switch WW flights to bhd-all operations in one airport. Bad news for residents as BHD would be an almost all jet operation.
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I still doubt ryanairs entrance to bhd this is due to 2 reasons:
1. even if flybe leave bhd there will be no more 738 stands except bmi 4 and ab 5 (although they could change the stand sizes and amount of them, how long does this take and how much would it cost?)
2. Ryanair would like a paralell taxiway the whole length of the runway for quicker taxying
although it could still happen i however doubt flybes exit from bhd but if they do i am sure bmi baby would arrive (smaller 737, would these fit in the current stands?) maybe even bmi regional.
1. even if flybe leave bhd there will be no more 738 stands except bmi 4 and ab 5 (although they could change the stand sizes and amount of them, how long does this take and how much would it cost?)
2. Ryanair would like a paralell taxiway the whole length of the runway for quicker taxying
although it could still happen i however doubt flybes exit from bhd but if they do i am sure bmi baby would arrive (smaller 737, would these fit in the current stands?) maybe even bmi regional.
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It seems crazy that BE would move to BFS. They're primarily a business airline so to move 20 miles from the city centre would make them much less attractive to business travellers. When you say they had a 3 hr breifing, was that a 3 hr briefing from management to BE telling them to bugger off or was it from BE to management saying they might leave?
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Flybe at BFS!!
Another idea, maybe Flybe were up at Aldergrove trying to negotiate a regular parking spot at BFS... For all the aircraft that end up at BFS nearly every night of the week now due to the long, long delays being taken by Flybe at the mo... Dont you just hate paying a fortune for a Flybe flight to the city centre, only to end up 20 miles away 
If I wanted to fly to BFS, I'd have given the orange machine my money!!
If I wanted to fly to BFS, I'd have given the orange machine my money!!
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The article was headlined 'Flybe may be about to quit City Airport for Aldergrove'.
It quoted Mike Rutter, Flybe's Chief Commercial Officer as saying it would 'be wrong to read too much' into the three hour meeting.
However, he also said: "I must say I was very impressed by the improvements that have been made at Belfast International in recent years.
"It is one of only a few airports in the UK that could accommodate a major expansion of services without having to invest in vast building work."
A spokesperson for BFS said: "It is not unusual for airports and airlines to have discussions and we are always looking at business opportunities."
A spokesperson for BHD said: "We never comment on speculation."
There's certainly no denial in any of these statements although Mr. Rutter did say Flybe are 'negotiating' with BHD about starting new direct services to Paris, Amsterdam and Brussels.
All of this also comes at the time of year when Flybe traditionally conduct their landing charge negotiations.
Could it be the case that Flybe are saying 'maintain the status quo and we'll expand our services from BHD but let in Ryanair and we'll move lock, stock and barrel up the road'? - we'll have to wait and see.
It quoted Mike Rutter, Flybe's Chief Commercial Officer as saying it would 'be wrong to read too much' into the three hour meeting.
However, he also said: "I must say I was very impressed by the improvements that have been made at Belfast International in recent years.
"It is one of only a few airports in the UK that could accommodate a major expansion of services without having to invest in vast building work."
A spokesperson for BFS said: "It is not unusual for airports and airlines to have discussions and we are always looking at business opportunities."
A spokesperson for BHD said: "We never comment on speculation."
There's certainly no denial in any of these statements although Mr. Rutter did say Flybe are 'negotiating' with BHD about starting new direct services to Paris, Amsterdam and Brussels.
All of this also comes at the time of year when Flybe traditionally conduct their landing charge negotiations.
Could it be the case that Flybe are saying 'maintain the status quo and we'll expand our services from BHD but let in Ryanair and we'll move lock, stock and barrel up the road'? - we'll have to wait and see.
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Ha ha ha, what a load of nonsense about BE moving to BFS! Oh sure, that'll solve all their crewing issues. More than half the crew in the base would live over a 1 hour drive from home to Aldergrove. Attempting to force anyone to accept the required relocation would count as constructive dismissal, as the affected crews would give a sharp 2-fingered salute and leave. Also bear in mind, the company seniority list is massively biased in favour of the senior jet crews at BHD. It would cost them a small fortune in tribunal payouts.
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Now Cityjet are mumbling about doing a direct CDG from BHD amongst other ideas. More press speculation.
Most amusing of all is how BFS can cope with major expansion without building work? Not that long ago they were trying to get the great orange empire to give up check-in desks to give to Wizzair. Its about time all these guys put their money where their mouth is. Then we will see who is to take over the reigns as NI's biggest operator.
Most amusing of all is how BFS can cope with major expansion without building work? Not that long ago they were trying to get the great orange empire to give up check-in desks to give to Wizzair. Its about time all these guys put their money where their mouth is. Then we will see who is to take over the reigns as NI's biggest operator.
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chec tunset Tell us more about the cityjet rumors you said 'amongst other ideas' what are these other ideas?
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Aer Lingus
Was chatting to a senior guy at BFS at the weekend who felt it was probable that EI was coming and according to the newspaper yesterday Aer Lingus are having AGM this week so should we hear an announcement???Would be nice to see an end to all the speculation.
As regards the rumours of BE moving to BFS from BHD that in my opinion would be highly unlikely they must be jumping up and down with the prospect of FR coming in.. If it happens and all that!
As regards the rumours of BE moving to BFS from BHD that in my opinion would be highly unlikely they must be jumping up and down with the prospect of FR coming in.. If it happens and all that!
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I would have thought that BE would want jump at the chance to get out of BHD if FR are to move in there.
Also, what is the latest in the FR/BHD story. It was said, at the time, the BHD base will be announced within two weeks.
Also, what is the latest in the FR/BHD story. It was said, at the time, the BHD base will be announced within two weeks.
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