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Yes Belfast City is likely......
Still not sure about when the new a/c are coming, its just a case of waiting for Penny and MAG to say yes to building a new low cost terminal extension to the east of the control tower. MOL was over a few weeks ago and liked the airport, and wants to place upto 11 a/c
This is from the EMA thread, a worker at Ryanair he is refering to reports about LDY-EMA being axed. The last paragraph, is that refering to EMA or BHD, don't know the relevance of 'penny' or 'MAG'.
Still not sure about when the new a/c are coming, its just a case of waiting for Penny and MAG to say yes to building a new low cost terminal extension to the east of the control tower. MOL was over a few weeks ago and liked the airport, and wants to place upto 11 a/c
This is from the EMA thread, a worker at Ryanair he is refering to reports about LDY-EMA being axed. The last paragraph, is that refering to EMA or BHD, don't know the relevance of 'penny' or 'MAG'.
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Why on earth does anyone think FR coming to BHD would mark the end of BE at the city?
Just how many of the BE routes from BHD would FR compete on? Answer: hardly any, and especially not with the kinds of loads which these routes attract. FR are primarily a European operator, not short domestic routes, and it is utter nonsense to think they would happily chug around the Flybe network with barely a 25% load. O'Leary might be an arse, but he isn't a dummy.
As for using the old terminal, same problem as using the new one - the apron just isn't big enough for a 738.
Just how many of the BE routes from BHD would FR compete on? Answer: hardly any, and especially not with the kinds of loads which these routes attract. FR are primarily a European operator, not short domestic routes, and it is utter nonsense to think they would happily chug around the Flybe network with barely a 25% load. O'Leary might be an arse, but he isn't a dummy.
As for using the old terminal, same problem as using the new one - the apron just isn't big enough for a 738.
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maud charlie the reson i said flybe would have to go is because off the passanger cap if ryan air arrive some one will have to go as they are all ready busting there limit ei directors at belfast yesterday walking around with the md
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ei directors at belfast yesterday walking around with the md
cessnarocket,
Which belfast airport were they walking around. On a different note all we hear from MOL is charges at dublin, BRS etc. How would he deal with a late arrival having to pay £500 per hour to keep BHD open plus a soon to be introduced community contribution of the same.
Also when are the planners going to get their act together and allow BFS to be 'the main airport for Belfast'. If FR do start and the routes ring true, every uk and ROI airport bar Luton, Coventry, Shannon, Teeside and Bournemouth will be covered from BHD. Next carve up Europe. This is despite that passengers prefer to use BFS, compromising safety and environmental issues for the East Belfast area. We hear all the time from the planners about yes there is expansion at BHD but BFS will always be the main airport. BHD is attractive to civil servants etc in North down and thats why the planners are letting it expand. The same applies to the Bangor railway line, Larne line carries far more passengers (the busiest in the network, Where did the investment/new trains go 'Bangor'). At this up and coming review they must either 1. keep the cap and enforce it, and or 2. put an environmental levi on every arriving and departing passenger who find it 'convenient to use BHD. This will allow investment to take place at BFS where it is required.
cessnarocket,
Which belfast airport were they walking around. On a different note all we hear from MOL is charges at dublin, BRS etc. How would he deal with a late arrival having to pay £500 per hour to keep BHD open plus a soon to be introduced community contribution of the same.
Also when are the planners going to get their act together and allow BFS to be 'the main airport for Belfast'. If FR do start and the routes ring true, every uk and ROI airport bar Luton, Coventry, Shannon, Teeside and Bournemouth will be covered from BHD. Next carve up Europe. This is despite that passengers prefer to use BFS, compromising safety and environmental issues for the East Belfast area. We hear all the time from the planners about yes there is expansion at BHD but BFS will always be the main airport. BHD is attractive to civil servants etc in North down and thats why the planners are letting it expand. The same applies to the Bangor railway line, Larne line carries far more passengers (the busiest in the network, Where did the investment/new trains go 'Bangor'). At this up and coming review they must either 1. keep the cap and enforce it, and or 2. put an environmental levi on every arriving and departing passenger who find it 'convenient to use BHD. This will allow investment to take place at BFS where it is required.
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lisdoonvarna,
The 2 airports are here to stay but one of them is a restricted airport, for obvious reasons. The restricted one should remain that way as is the intention of the government or so they say. This is an aviation forum, I don't use offensive language and if you can't cope with a persons view on an issue, then maybe you should stick to the Beano. As for safety Q. if an aircraft is most likely to have an accident during take-off and landing, which airport do you think is statistically going to have more casualties BHD or BFS? maybe I should answer that for you, BHD beacause its in an area of high density housing.
Finally the choice is still there in Dublin (only one airport) how do they cope, its generally the airlines that provide the choice.
The 2 airports are here to stay but one of them is a restricted airport, for obvious reasons. The restricted one should remain that way as is the intention of the government or so they say. This is an aviation forum, I don't use offensive language and if you can't cope with a persons view on an issue, then maybe you should stick to the Beano. As for safety Q. if an aircraft is most likely to have an accident during take-off and landing, which airport do you think is statistically going to have more casualties BHD or BFS? maybe I should answer that for you, BHD beacause its in an area of high density housing.
Finally the choice is still there in Dublin (only one airport) how do they cope, its generally the airlines that provide the choice.
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BFS is a vile place. The lounges are awful, the food is rediculously overpriced and there's a load of package 'lets look like tramps and get wasted' holiday idiots drinking in the pubs too a lot of the time.
BHD is a much nicer enviroment. The seats in the lounge could do with being replaced as they're getting a bit grotty but aside from that I've no complaints. The water is a rip off in the shop but thats the same in any airport.
The advantage of BFS is that normally it's cheaper to fly with easyjet than flybe from the city but im getting to the point where i'd rather just fly from the city when I can regardless of price (within reason).
BHD is a much nicer enviroment. The seats in the lounge could do with being replaced as they're getting a bit grotty but aside from that I've no complaints. The water is a rip off in the shop but thats the same in any airport.
The advantage of BFS is that normally it's cheaper to fly with easyjet than flybe from the city but im getting to the point where i'd rather just fly from the city when I can regardless of price (within reason).
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OH! Now there's a rational argument for you, 'if an aircraft is most likely to have an accident during take off or landing....'
BFS is still 'a vile place' as wingman says. I was there last week and it reminded me of how nice City (and many others) is compared to it. A lack of investment in facilities points to the owners not giving a toss about it, not because of competition from an 'unsafe' airport down the road.
The old argument from the City's opponents still doesn't hold water. The only reason some people want it to close is because they want to see those pax have to trudge up to Muckamore on unsuitable roads to fill Easyjet's coffers, not to improve anything for the travelling public. The 'choice is still there in Dublin' statement is a red herring trotted out by the doom mongers, always has been.
BFS is still 'a vile place' as wingman says. I was there last week and it reminded me of how nice City (and many others) is compared to it. A lack of investment in facilities points to the owners not giving a toss about it, not because of competition from an 'unsafe' airport down the road.
The old argument from the City's opponents still doesn't hold water. The only reason some people want it to close is because they want to see those pax have to trudge up to Muckamore on unsuitable roads to fill Easyjet's coffers, not to improve anything for the travelling public. The 'choice is still there in Dublin' statement is a red herring trotted out by the doom mongers, always has been.
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BFS could be a lot better, BHD before the airport moved was an absolute disgrace, the only way they would attract the likes of Bd, and then sell it on was to replace it. The terminal itself its plush and new, a pleasant place to travel through. But you are missing the point. BHD and BFS can work side by side. The problem is that with the threat of BHD becoming the main airport, would you as manager of BFS invest heavily in the airport. What we need is a cap in place that is upheld, the curfew to remain, and then most people will be happy. If this was the case then I am quite sure BFS would substantially upgrade its facility.
Also should a substantial built up area be close to landing and taking off zones at airports, on paper I would say no-for safety and noise. Now obviously we have to live with what we have got.
Also should a substantial built up area be close to landing and taking off zones at airports, on paper I would say no-for safety and noise. Now obviously we have to live with what we have got.
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I'm not from Belfast, but looking at it as two airports competing, I would hope that BFS would invest to retain and grow its passengers. If BHD wasn't there it would know that as Ulster's only significant airport it could do what it liked and passengers and airlines would still be forced to use it.
I came through Belfast City last Sunday night, same problem as there has been there for years - no taxis. Long queue outside the terminal (which on past history would make 30 minutes or more waiting time). Thank goodness I had a rental car. Business colleague joined us on Monday morning and had the same thing happen to him on arrival there.
Why are the City Airport airport management unable to get to grips with this ? It can completely cancel out the advantage of close proximity to the city centre.
Why are the City Airport airport management unable to get to grips with this ? It can completely cancel out the advantage of close proximity to the city centre.
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The 412 from Birmingham today was G-JEBG. Two cabin-crew fainted and were taking to hospital and are now believed to have Carbon Monoxide Poisoning. Apparently fumes from the APU leaked into the Back Galley. No passengers affected as yet. Aircraft was on Stand 2 and the emergency services were rushed to the rear door.
Thats All I know of this so far. Anyone know about the crew or the aircraft. Suppose to have been problems before with BG about the APU. Will keep eyes and ears open for any more info.
Thats All I know of this so far. Anyone know about the crew or the aircraft. Suppose to have been problems before with BG about the APU. Will keep eyes and ears open for any more info.