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Old 21st Jun 2007, 09:45
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Royal Brunei Airlines

The 767 fleet has been at the sharp end for too long. Endless roster changes and less than contract days off.

Now my leave has been cancelled (again) due to the shortage of crews on the fleet. We are knackered. Im falling asleep on almost every flight.

The 777 pilots mean time are free to roam the globe with no work in sight for most of them and there is little hope of all the craft getting here anyway.

Shambles. Does anyone care?
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 11:23
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Have any of the triples turned up yet? Saw a photie a while back of one parked up in RBA colours, so they do exist.
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 15:55
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No Harm

Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah is so rich and his country does not depend on tourism as a source of income.

Although RBA is their national carrier, government do not invest much money in air transport.

Should RBA turns chaotic, at the most RBA shuts the business (aka fold-up). It is not going to harm Brunei.
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 22:30
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yeah agree with u thorny..
sultan hassanal bolkiah is very rich..
so it dont effect the brunei economy at all if RBA is shut down...
because he can buy his own a/c..
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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 03:26
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Feel for the guys still there....
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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 07:09
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Does anyone care?

Look, it’s been the countries policy to reduce the number of foreigners being employed there so that it will give the locals more chance to run their own things and the Airline is just one of these businesses.
Unfortunately quite a few of the locals that they put into important management & decision making positions are clearly well below the qualification and experience required for such a post. "What to do Lah"
Also I am quite sure that there is a lot of wheeling and dealing going on behind the scenes? Why else would they get some old 777’s that are strewn with technical & legality problems, unless certain people are making loads of money through the deal. You can be quite sure, that no matter how much we moan and grumble about rosters and leave they won’t give a toss, especially when they must be losing millions on training cost alone. For an aircraft thats not even here yet?
Just look at these ex BA trainers that we have got staying here at the moment sitting around doing nothing in The Empire Hotel, on a lovely chunk of salary that none of us will ever see.

And the initial question “ Does anyone care” Ballocks!!! Of course they don’t?
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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 08:45
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The BA crew are not in the empire!!
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Old 24th Jun 2007, 03:47
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Oh well

Suppose they are only hanging around there, as there is so little for them to do? Nowhere else for them to spend all their money.
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Old 24th Jun 2007, 12:36
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As if things weren't difficult enough the acting boss has now changed the rules for applying for leave. Doesn't he have better things to worry about?
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Old 24th Jun 2007, 20:25
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Feel sorry for the guys still there.............
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Old 25th Jun 2007, 03:09
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Why on earth, unless, by virtue of great age or inadequate jet time, which means that you can only be employed by RBA and the like, do you stay there Ping Pong? Even locals, despite great domestic pressures that can only be surmised, have left for pastures anew. RBA has not been recommended as an employer for anyone [except graduates of Jack's Junior Jet Club] for some time now. Few in recent years have regretted leaving, so don't bother complaining here, you will get little sympathy. There are many other jobs are out there at the moment, and most are better by all accounts. This situation is cyclic so why not seize the opportunity? The emergence of the new Asian low cost carriers will certainly not be assisting RBA's bottom line, which was always subterranean anyway, and most expats can only survive so long thanks to the colossal ennui of the place. You have the choice. Good luck.
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Old 25th Jun 2007, 03:30
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Xrba,
you are spot on it is sad to see that from the night of the long knives the drama continues to this day.
To the pilots at RBA today do what the chaps at MAS did
VOTE WITH YOUR FEET
It is a pilots market out there so don't winge nobody listens just do it.
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Old 25th Jun 2007, 07:12
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Go Walk about

I'd like to think that voting with your feet would have an effect, but sadly, I don't think it would. In the end, the guy's that are left will have to carry more and more of the burden? they will still just keep taking in junior pilots to fill the demand. Does anyone know when the new CEO is due to take over, not that he will have any say!!!
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Old 26th Jun 2007, 01:19
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Whilst it must give you a warm glow feeling altruistic about the fate of those who, for reasons that must be increasingly difficult to justify, remain in RBA, most of us leave welfare to the padre [imam?] and carve our own path through the minefield that is the aviation game. Leaving usually does solve one problem, your own!! What happens to the rest is their lookout. Get real and sort yourself out whilst you still have the chance.
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Old 26th Jun 2007, 03:57
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Being ex-RBA myself I am sad about the recent events.

We loved living in the Abode of Peace, but the package just got worse and worse for us (being an engineer made it even worse).

I am afraid the mentality is that they will only do something about things when there are planes sitting on the ground with no body to fly them and nobody to fix them, simplistic but true.
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Old 26th Jun 2007, 07:03
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See no evil, speak no evil,hear no evil.

You have missed the entire concept of how a proper airline is operated, and all it takes is a few simple rules,

1. No strategic plan
2. No idea about tomorrow as long as you patch up today
3. Put out a roster so people think they can plan a life, but change it daily
4. Dangle a carrot and get them to sign dearly for it
5. Ignore Cost of living adjustments
6. Hold lots of meetings
7. Have long lunch breaks
8. Give 100% productivity bonus to all management

Easy, now stop moaning and be satisfied that all the rules ae being strictly adhered to, as per staff directives.
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Old 29th Jun 2007, 10:31
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Vote With Your Feet - Too Easy

An easy option I have to say, but is it that easy. Kids love this place, and the school fees paid by RBA are a string.

I know loads of people have left, and I can see that just as a poster has said, dont matter how many leave they just keep dropping the hurdle you have to jump. Look how many hours you need to have to be a training Capt.

JC the feeble and ineffectual ex DFO and has been advisor has gotton the message that the 777 deal might be scrutinized and resigned. Only good can come of this, maybe a few more heads will roll.

At least there is hope even if we cant see the light at the end of the tunnel.
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Old 29th Jun 2007, 12:50
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Here we go again

Ping pong your right, Its not an easy option, I left because there is just no development for qualified & experienced people, especially if you want to be a training Capt and your not in the CD (megalomania group). Here they have again put up 2 very inexperienced local guys into training positions that is clearly beyond their scope. One has also been telling junior F/O's starting on the fleet that they have to get things word perfect, as expat Capt & F/Os are not that good?? Where do they get these guys??

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Old 4th Jul 2007, 08:20
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RBA management have ignored its crews concern over rosters, tiredness and on many occasions fatigue for many years now. They find the best solution is to ignore it. Pretend they are unaware it is happening as they are not suffering from the symptoms. Their rosters are nothing like the back to back long hauls of the line pilots.
As far as when the 777s arrive, there age, condition or the price is unimportant. The decisions of what planes to get will depend on the same criteria it always has.
What personal benefits will the managers involved get out of it.
Perhaps JC is doing a runner now knowing it may be investigated (RBA, I doubt it).
Remember what youve been told, If you dont like it, *uck off. Well in 3 years, when your bond period is complete anyway.
New CEO coming soon I but dont expect too much from him. Weve seen others come in, earn a good salary, screw the staff, then leave the mess to those left behind, taking his big bonus. Still amazed PF was employed by anyone again. But they dont seem to worry about his past incompetent management positions.
The 777s are manys ticket out of here, the management must be aware of that, which explains the excessive bond.
But they are not worried as there is still a very lucretive deal with rishworth continuing after many years, and that extra "income" is what keeps the management there.
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Old 5th Jul 2007, 12:02
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Three fingered pirates and serpents new!

Oh ye of good faith, be assured that those that carry the evil faith will not be bought asunder! The corrupt, evil and incompetent will stay and beg the Serpent New for vengeance, and will reap contempt from their fellows, nay without a care; those fellows which art true and can say naught and do naught but wait for Serpent New to splash venom from the corner vilest upon their monthly visitations.
Verily lies upon lies about the wondrous auto-camels will be cast amongst the riders of them, those Cameleers! For it is the desire of such pleasing creatures that makes the minions stay with hope in their hearts, longing in their loins, all with all, slavish duties and shekels’ of the poorest lands counted on the hand of three fingered pirates: Oh that the Blessed Master will bestow upon them new Caravans of joy, alas with a life of misery! The Misery of Masters small!
Yea, in days of yore when multitudes of cameleers looked upon the Abode of Peace with a glinting eye and heart of desire to serve the Blessed Master; ‘twas truly a sight to behold. Yea, the shekels counted fair, the dwellings were prime, and the Roster true. Now in these vile times, where those Born Capable take as the three fingered pirates take from the Cameleers new, verily take now from the Blessed Master, and allay the suspicions of fools by surrounding them with men of Black hearts and forked tongues.
As I ponder the bath of intoxicating bonding, and Crane my way to the Bank of Misfortune I know I shall be rewarded with a new auto-camel not of my Master’s Stable, but a Stable afar. Fear dwells in my heart as I ponder the wrath of the night of leaving to Lands more fair, for I fear not speak amongst the evil followers of the Serpent New, as thou make misery upon misery upon those that speak of such things. Creatures wicked, they are, that eat the hearts of men true.
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