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Personally MANSP I would guess they donīt have one for just one flight a day unless someone from Gibair is seconded. I have never seen a BA rep in the airport for that matter a Monarch or easyJet just Gibair Handling.
Also regarding Santiago I would have thought BA would want to channel passengers via Madrid so they can get the Iberia schedules to Chile.
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Also regarding Santiago I would have thought BA would want to channel passengers via Madrid so they can get the Iberia schedules to Chile.
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Quote: "Also regarding Santiago I would have thought BA would want to channel passengers via Madrid so they can get the Iberia schedules to Chile."
It's probably what they do now, though there may be those who would probably prefer LA via GRU (or MAD!), or indeed direct (nonstop or not).
However if BA are expanding their own routes......
It's probably what they do now, though there may be those who would probably prefer LA via GRU (or MAD!), or indeed direct (nonstop or not).
However if BA are expanding their own routes......
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G-EUPA is now in the new Dove livery, well from behind and above the wing that is visible. Looks exactly like the first one....
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BA setting up separate AOC for LCY-JFK
So what's this US regulatory filing all about, then?
Something is afoot, no?
British Airways currently operates twice daily all business class service between London City Airport (LCY) and New York (JFK). ... Effective June 11, 2012, the British Airways PIc LCY-JFK-LCY service will be operated by BA Limited, a newly created British Airways subsidiary, using the same two A318 aircraft now operated by British Airways Pic. BA Limited anticipates that the UK Civil Aviation Authority will issue a Type A Operating License and Air Operator Certificate to BA Limited on June 11, 2012 authorizing the service proposed here. Because the two A3I8 aircraft used to operate the service cannot be listed on two AOCs simultaneously, and because each aircraft operates daily LCY-JFK service, in order to avoid service interruptions, each will be deleted from the British Airways AOC on the same date that the CAA issues the new BA Limited AOC and the new BA Limited operating license.
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Afoot indeed. What could it be?
- Sell-off of LCY-JFK? Nope
- Merge LCY-JFK (BA Limited) with OpenSkies? Does not compute
- Codeshare with Iberia and AA on LCY-JFK? Would make sense. This flight does not appear to be currently codeshared with IB/AA but why BA would need to set up a subsidiarity to do this beats me. But then I'm not a lawyer.
- BA want to big up the concept of long distance biz flights from LCY and looking for outside minority investors with major cash heap? Possible.
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Afoot indeed. What could it be?
- Sell-off of LCY-JFK? Nope
- Merge LCY-JFK (BA Limited) with OpenSkies? Does not compute
- Codeshare with Iberia and AA on LCY-JFK? Would make sense. This flight does not appear to be currently codeshared with IB/AA but why BA would need to set up a subsidiarity to do this beats me. But then I'm not a lawyer.
- BA want to big up the concept of long distance biz flights from LCY and looking for outside minority investors with major cash heap? Possible.
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Does the proposed wet leasing nature of the proposed relationship betweeb British Airways and BA Limited suggest that employment T&Cs might be significantly different for long haul staff at LCY compared to LHR in the future ? Note the word *different* rather than necessarily *worse*.
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Hmm, interesting ideas, David. I find two of your suggestions particularly plausible (and not mutually exclusive):
First:
See the second last paragraph of this good CAPA analysis article from yesterday which is otherwise about the travails of CityJet:
And second:
Well, IIRC (and I am open to being corrected) the current roster involves a crew change in Shannon, which if true cannot be particularly cost-effective. Could slightly more flexible working arrangements (still within CAP371 of course) allow a single crew to operate all the way LCY-SNN-JFK? Tidying up aspects like that might be a logical step in a process of moving the operation from an experiment to a more permanent footing.
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- BA want to big up the concept of long distance biz flights from LCY and looking for outside minority investors with major cash heap? Possible.
IAG remains tight lipped on the reasons for the new legal set-up of its two A318s flying from London City to New York JFK and told CAPA it is in the process of exploring a variety of options related to potential new sources of finance".
Does the proposed wet leasing nature of the proposed relationship betweeb British Airways and BA Limited suggest that employment T&Cs might be significantly different for long haul staff at LCY compared to LHR in the future ?
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Regarding the Shannon crew change, as I understand it this is a deliberate decision to maximise service reliability. The cabin crew are rostered throughout from LCY to New York, but the decision is to do the flight deck crew change at Shannon so if the morning inbound is diverted to Gatwick due to low vis at LCY, the crew can be sent to Gatwick instead to ferry to LCY (no cabin crew required) and then fly to Shannon. They couldn't get on to New York in one day doing this. When crew are assigned in terms of flying hours per month, where any breaks are taken is not as significant on costs as some imagine.
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Looking at the US documentation (linked) it states quite clearly it is about codesharing with other OneWorld operators.
Regarding the Shannon crew change, as I understand it this is a deliberate decision to maximise service reliability. The cabin crew are rostered throughout from LCY to New York, but the decision is to do the flight deck crew change at Shannon so if the morning inbound is diverted to Gatwick due to low vis at LCY, the crew can be sent to Gatwick instead to ferry to LCY (no cabin crew required) and then fly to Shannon. They couldn't get on to New York in one day doing this. When crew are assigned in terms of flying hours per month, where any breaks are taken is not as significant on costs as some imagine.
Regarding the Shannon crew change, as I understand it this is a deliberate decision to maximise service reliability. The cabin crew are rostered throughout from LCY to New York, but the decision is to do the flight deck crew change at Shannon so if the morning inbound is diverted to Gatwick due to low vis at LCY, the crew can be sent to Gatwick instead to ferry to LCY (no cabin crew required) and then fly to Shannon. They couldn't get on to New York in one day doing this. When crew are assigned in terms of flying hours per month, where any breaks are taken is not as significant on costs as some imagine.
As for your comment about the codeshare, I'm afraid I'm not quite convinced. Why do they need a new AOC in order to codeshare? My trusty little OAG tells me that there are AA and IB codes on the LCY-JFK service already. My read of the US filing is that they are asking for a change of AOC and - secondarily - permission to codeshare on that new AOC, i.e. that it's not the codeshare which is driving the request. But I imagine we will find out more details in due course.
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yup, I got it wrong. AA indeed code-shares already on LCY-JFK. I had checked the IB website. No LCY flights are shown on this; but mebbe this is just for commercial rudder than legalbegal reasons.
So, as Sherlock Holmes almost said, if the impossible is eliminated, we are left with the improbable. Outside investors in BA Limited, maybe the regular clients, huh?
And where else would BA Limited go from ducklands airport? Washington, Moskva, Dubaiiee? Quick, follow the money...
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edit: more Riyadh than Dubaï, non?
yup, I got it wrong. AA indeed code-shares already on LCY-JFK. I had checked the IB website. No LCY flights are shown on this; but mebbe this is just for commercial rudder than legalbegal reasons.
So, as Sherlock Holmes almost said, if the impossible is eliminated, we are left with the improbable. Outside investors in BA Limited, maybe the regular clients, huh?
And where else would BA Limited go from ducklands airport? Washington, Moskva, Dubaiiee? Quick, follow the money...
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edit: more Riyadh than Dubaï, non?
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BD, BA OR LH?
I am a bit confused with the whole integration process.
Months ago, I bought flights for August on the Lufthansa website, however they were BMI Operated flights ( Belfast - Berlin via London) - it was cheaper this way!
Now I am concerned that BA have taken onboard the BD flights and am concerned about the connection with Lufthansa, and whether it will still be honoured.
Who actually operates my flights, how do I check in for my flights (ie which website) and how does through checking work.
I know you guys are very knowledgeable, hope you can help!
Months ago, I bought flights for August on the Lufthansa website, however they were BMI Operated flights ( Belfast - Berlin via London) - it was cheaper this way!
Now I am concerned that BA have taken onboard the BD flights and am concerned about the connection with Lufthansa, and whether it will still be honoured.
Who actually operates my flights, how do I check in for my flights (ie which website) and how does through checking work.
I know you guys are very knowledgeable, hope you can help!
Johnny - could I respectfully suggest phoning or emailing either BA or Lufthansa ? I imagine other people will be in your situation and either the call centre at one of these airlines will be able to provide the information or it will be on an airline website. You paid them your cash - let them earn it by providing the customer service
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BA Gatwick to take upto 6 x bmibaby 733s
British Airways (BA, London Heathrow (LHR)) is planning to move six B737-300s currently operated by subsidiary bmibaby (WW, East Midlands (EMA)) to its own operation at London Gatwick (LGW) where the aircraft will replace larger and older B737-400s.
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