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Tech delay
g-fjeb could have left on time for ssh to be honest. It wasnt that it was tech as such, it just had to cruise at a lower altitude, and because this would of burnt more fuel it would of had to tech stop on the way to ssh. They finally decided heraklion for a tech stop. Crew got back on the aircraft then the pax started boarding. This tech delay could have been averted in my opinion.
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Due to a problem with the flaps...... and with the outbound aircraft not due to return on the inbound leg, I wonder how the crew really felt.
Yes, Excel and that 767......!
Next week it will be anther airline, and the week after it will be another airline, and this will go on through the summer! Speaking of which, just watched the Excel (Finnair 757) departure to Santorini head off...... 10 hours late due to industrial action by Greek ATC....
Yes, Excel and that 767......!
Next week it will be anther airline, and the week after it will be another airline, and this will go on through the summer! Speaking of which, just watched the Excel (Finnair 757) departure to Santorini head off...... 10 hours late due to industrial action by Greek ATC....
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Well for those who work in the Aviation Industry, we all know how serious this smoking allegation is!!.
ftomcatf: your post suggests that you have witnessed crew knowingly allow passengers to smoke on the Apron. My question to you is, why didn't you stop them or inform the Airport Authority of what was going on? This is a serious H&S issue. We all carry radios!!
As Delta 8 has already suggested, write a signed statement and pass it on to your manager.
As my company is currently carrying out an investigation in to Sundays
up, it would be wrong for me to make any further comment (especially with press sniffing round). I will ensure this allegation is passed to the relevant managers attention.
ftomcatf: your post suggests that you have witnessed crew knowingly allow passengers to smoke on the Apron. My question to you is, why didn't you stop them or inform the Airport Authority of what was going on? This is a serious H&S issue. We all carry radios!!
As Delta 8 has already suggested, write a signed statement and pass it on to your manager.
As my company is currently carrying out an investigation in to Sundays
up, it would be wrong for me to make any further comment (especially with press sniffing round). I will ensure this allegation is passed to the relevant managers attention.
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I really think its time to put this one to bed now. Aiming this level of criticism at one particular airline is non productive to say the least. Every airline without exception will experience technical problems that will cause long delays - its the nature of the beast. Remember, flight deck crews have families too - why would they risk putting their own lives at risk by flying an aircraft that is not fully serviciable. Mistakes happen, what is important is to treat those mistakes as learning curves and to put measures in place to prevent or keep similiar distruption to an absolute minimum.
I think we should focus on the positive things that are happening at NCL. Such as the new ATC Tower thats near completion and on target to be operational in September. The fact that our apron has never had so many nightstopping parked aircraft in its entire history. The fact that we're on target to having nearly 6 million passengers through our doors this year -giving credence to the knowledge that we are still the 9th busiest airport in the UK and potentially on course to being the 8th. The fact that we CAN attract airlines like Emirates.... knowing that we have other 'big named' airlines playing a watch and wait game before approaching us with another long haul route!!
I guess what I'm trying to say is lets all stand up, applaud and be proud of our achievments and look forward to whats in stall for NCL's future, rather than rip apart an airlines reputation like opportunist rooks pecking at road kill.
I really think its time to put this one to bed now. Aiming this level of criticism at one particular airline is non productive to say the least. Every airline without exception will experience technical problems that will cause long delays - its the nature of the beast. Remember, flight deck crews have families too - why would they risk putting their own lives at risk by flying an aircraft that is not fully serviciable. Mistakes happen, what is important is to treat those mistakes as learning curves and to put measures in place to prevent or keep similiar distruption to an absolute minimum.
I think we should focus on the positive things that are happening at NCL. Such as the new ATC Tower thats near completion and on target to be operational in September. The fact that our apron has never had so many nightstopping parked aircraft in its entire history. The fact that we're on target to having nearly 6 million passengers through our doors this year -giving credence to the knowledge that we are still the 9th busiest airport in the UK and potentially on course to being the 8th. The fact that we CAN attract airlines like Emirates.... knowing that we have other 'big named' airlines playing a watch and wait game before approaching us with another long haul route!!
I guess what I'm trying to say is lets all stand up, applaud and be proud of our achievments and look forward to whats in stall for NCL's future, rather than rip apart an airlines reputation like opportunist rooks pecking at road kill.
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In response to Aquarius Lad.
I think the whole idea of PPRUNE is to chat about things that have gone on at our wonderful airport. There will be more good things than less fortunate things that happen.
I doubt that any individual would ever intentionally "rip apart" any airline, but the rumour network will always work overtime!
fl dutchman: Yes, Finnair have a winglet fitted 757-200 based at EGNT operating for Excel.
I think the whole idea of PPRUNE is to chat about things that have gone on at our wonderful airport. There will be more good things than less fortunate things that happen.
I doubt that any individual would ever intentionally "rip apart" any airline, but the rumour network will always work overtime!
fl dutchman: Yes, Finnair have a winglet fitted 757-200 based at EGNT operating for Excel.
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I really think its time to put this one to bed now. I think we should focus on the positive things that are happening at NCL........... .. knowing that we have other 'big named' airlines playing a watch and wait game before approaching us with another long haul route.!!
Very succinctly put! Absolutely agree !
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Aquarius Lad – Hear hear, people are far too critical of negative points and easily forget the good points like you say, for example we had another record month in passenger stats last month!
fl Dutchman – XLA are basing three a/c this summer, the FJE and FIN are already here as we know! A B738 arrives in the next few days.
fl Dutchman – XLA are basing three a/c this summer, the FJE and FIN are already here as we know! A B738 arrives in the next few days.
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The fact that we CAN attract airlines like Emirates.... knowing that we have other 'big named' airlines playing a watch and wait game before approaching us with another long haul route.!!
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I think having Emirates up and working wouldn't just attract other airlines from the middle east, it would prove a long distance hub works from NCL and the next logical step would be to go West!!
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I just want to pass a comment on about the smoking on the flyjet on sunday.
when you are in charge of a situation of disruption like sundays mess it is hard to answer everyones questions and i dont mean the passengers i mean all sorts of different people asking you to find out things and do things for example caterers, cleaners engineers all asking whats going on and all of this time you are trying to get passengers off a plane to id their own bags which sometimes passengers find difficult, i mean its hard to pick out your own bag isnt it ( not). all it takes is for the dispatcher to turn their back for a second to answer a question or to move a bag which has been identified to one side and before you know it someone has sparked up behind you. In this situation trying to explain to a passenger why they cannot smoke on the tarmac is hard and short of snatching it out of their mouth ( which i have done before and this results in being accused of being rude) there isnt a great deal you can do. passengers are like sheep and once one starts they all think its ok. i would never condone smoking on the tarmac and would stop it immediatley. i think the person accused of allowing passengers to smoke should be given the benefit of the doubt for this very reason, as someone could get into trouble if this allegation gets taken forward and no one working out on the apron would ever willingly let a passenger smoke no matter how rowdy they got about it coz it aint worth them losing their job over.
when you are in charge of a situation of disruption like sundays mess it is hard to answer everyones questions and i dont mean the passengers i mean all sorts of different people asking you to find out things and do things for example caterers, cleaners engineers all asking whats going on and all of this time you are trying to get passengers off a plane to id their own bags which sometimes passengers find difficult, i mean its hard to pick out your own bag isnt it ( not). all it takes is for the dispatcher to turn their back for a second to answer a question or to move a bag which has been identified to one side and before you know it someone has sparked up behind you. In this situation trying to explain to a passenger why they cannot smoke on the tarmac is hard and short of snatching it out of their mouth ( which i have done before and this results in being accused of being rude) there isnt a great deal you can do. passengers are like sheep and once one starts they all think its ok. i would never condone smoking on the tarmac and would stop it immediatley. i think the person accused of allowing passengers to smoke should be given the benefit of the doubt for this very reason, as someone could get into trouble if this allegation gets taken forward and no one working out on the apron would ever willingly let a passenger smoke no matter how rowdy they got about it coz it aint worth them losing their job over.
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Very well said, agree with everything you have written. Pity the local media could not be more positive. Yet another negative story in tonights Evening Chronicle.
Very well said, agree with everything you have written. Pity the local media could not be more positive. Yet another negative story in tonights Evening Chronicle.
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As PAX it's good to see the choice of routes increasing but when will the infrastructure catch up? My 3 returns through the airport this year have seen a minimum of 25mins to get back through passport control. Unacceptable. The check-in is not much better and the taxi drivers(along with everyone else) are up in arms about the drop-off pick-up arrangements. I use the business lounge maybe 50% of my trips out of NCL and they must offer the least of any of the many airports around the world that I have tried. Not even a bowl of cornflakes at 6am.
And do we really have to be bussed a few yards from the plane(often next to a door marked"entrance") to another door almost every time? Any sign of investment in advanced technical features like air bridges?
As PAX it's good to see the choice of routes increasing but when will the infrastructure catch up? My 3 returns through the airport this year have seen a minimum of 25mins to get back through passport control. Unacceptable. The check-in is not much better and the taxi drivers(along with everyone else) are up in arms about the drop-off pick-up arrangements. I use the business lounge maybe 50% of my trips out of NCL and they must offer the least of any of the many airports around the world that I have tried. Not even a bowl of cornflakes at 6am.
And do we really have to be bussed a few yards from the plane(often next to a door marked"entrance") to another door almost every time? Any sign of investment in advanced technical features like air bridges?
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...but when will the infrastructure catch up? My 3 returns through the airport this year have seen a minimum of 25mins to get back through passport control...
As for the taxi issue & "territorial rights" re pickup & dropoff, totally frustrating & worse than ever on the new car park layout. There are unfortunately significant "politics" involved encompassing parties other than NCL.
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I have noticed an increasing number of operators such as TCX and XLA (finnair) getting remote stands eventhough the a/c are on a turnaround, when TOM are arriving on pier!
Passengers are then carted out to the aircraft on packed coaches - a great way to start the trip!
Passengers are then carted out to the aircraft on packed coaches - a great way to start the trip!
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Sorry boys but my last night shift (yesterday) all the TOM night stoppers were off pier and MYT 320 was on stand 7!! Whilst a pier stand is very nice most punters don't mind coaching, its a fact of life at any airport.
Whilst we cannot be complacent, the drop off area's are totally confusing!, 5.6million passengers and rising don't really find the problems that a few people on here do......
Whilst we cannot be complacent, the drop off area's are totally confusing!, 5.6million passengers and rising don't really find the problems that a few people on here do......