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Fascinating to watch the Manston Thread revert to it's default position
of fantasy and abuse in equal measure!
of fantasy and abuse in equal measure!
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Actually we were doing very well - I learnt a lot about grass - until hangar 9's silly post provoked the usual Dutch uncle stuff. If you want to read fantasy look at the Southend thread.
A lot of us are waiting for some announcements. We know some big things have been or are being agreed, but Infratil is always reluctant to say anything unless it's definite.
A lot of us are waiting for some announcements. We know some big things have been or are being agreed, but Infratil is always reluctant to say anything unless it's definite.
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If you want to read fantasy look at the Southend thread.
I hope things do work out for the airport. Nobody wants to see people out of jobs, or companies fail. But can't this thread wait until there is some real news. Rather than tiny rumours and bits here and there?
The moderators must have increased the size of the server to cope with this thread.
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Let's stop using server space to complain about wasting server space.
Here's a bit of news that might be of interest. Looks as though good airport managers are in short supply.
Change of Leadership at Wellington Airport
A change of leadership will take place at Wellington Airport during the course of this year with the departure of Simon Draper and appointment of Steven Fitzgerald.
Simon Draper, who has been CEO of Wellington Airport since early 2004, will be moving to Australia as CEO of another Infratil company, Victoria Electricity. Another highly capable Infratil executive will be stepping in to ensure continuity. Steven Fitzgerald, CEO of Infratil Airports Europe, will take on a new role running Wellington Airport as well as Infratil’s European airports. He will be based in Wellington.
Steven has been CEO of Infratil Airports Europe since early 2005. That group has grown to include Glasgow Prestwick Airport, Kent International Airport and Lubeck Airport. Prior to joining Infratil Airports Europe, Steven held several senior positions at Sydney Airport. It is expected he will relocate to Wellington at the beginning of 2008.
Here's a bit of news that might be of interest. Looks as though good airport managers are in short supply.
Change of Leadership at Wellington Airport
A change of leadership will take place at Wellington Airport during the course of this year with the departure of Simon Draper and appointment of Steven Fitzgerald.
Simon Draper, who has been CEO of Wellington Airport since early 2004, will be moving to Australia as CEO of another Infratil company, Victoria Electricity. Another highly capable Infratil executive will be stepping in to ensure continuity. Steven Fitzgerald, CEO of Infratil Airports Europe, will take on a new role running Wellington Airport as well as Infratil’s European airports. He will be based in Wellington.
Steven has been CEO of Infratil Airports Europe since early 2005. That group has grown to include Glasgow Prestwick Airport, Kent International Airport and Lubeck Airport. Prior to joining Infratil Airports Europe, Steven held several senior positions at Sydney Airport. It is expected he will relocate to Wellington at the beginning of 2008.
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Jes,
In a previous post you tell us how much you have learned
about grass cutting, and now you are informing us that airport managers are in short supply in the Southern Hemisphere.
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I think that grass is cut at most airports in the country, and most airports
have managers, now what's the BIG news about Manston? Or is the big news that the grass is growing?
I am not against the airport, I would be delighted if it developed, I am just bemused that the lack of any news fuels so many banal and speculative
postings.
However this thread is a source of entertainment to many so keep it up.
In a previous post you tell us how much you have learned
about grass cutting, and now you are informing us that airport managers are in short supply in the Southern Hemisphere.
.
I think that grass is cut at most airports in the country, and most airports
have managers, now what's the BIG news about Manston? Or is the big news that the grass is growing?
I am not against the airport, I would be delighted if it developed, I am just bemused that the lack of any news fuels so many banal and speculative
postings.
However this thread is a source of entertainment to many so keep it up.
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Rugby World Cup
Anyone know an operator that would fly MSE-NTE (Nantes) 22nd September to be there for about 12 noon and return at 22.00.
Would £20,000 for a 100 seater be a sensible price. Ryanair want £200 each way
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Would £20,000 for a 100 seater be a sensible price. Ryanair want £200 each way
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I know it was mentioned in the Telegraph Last Week
Chinese deal to inject 1,000 jobs
MORE than 1,000 jobs could be coming to the county on the back of a major development involving China.
Thanet firm Commercial Group Properties has agreed a 10-year lease on a 1,000,000sq ft development at its Manston International Business Park, which will see a host of Chinese businesses setting up on the site.
The deal is with the Beijing Association of SME (small and medium-sized enterprises) and surety is provided by Chinamex, an arm of the Chinese government.
CGP chief Ken Wills said: "This is big news for Thanet. Because China is turning a Communist society into a capitalist one, there has been a huge amount of privatisation and it has a huge trade surplus.
"With tax and export regulations increasing they know the world trade market is closing around them so they are moving more and more business overseas."
Leader of Thanet council Sandy Ezekiel said: "It is great to see international companies wanting to come here and we will work with them."
MDIS, edit the gibberish out of your post please.
Sorry guys dont know what happened there.
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MORE than 1,000 jobs could be coming to the county on the back of a major development involving China.
Thanet firm Commercial Group Properties has agreed a 10-year lease on a 1,000,000sq ft development at its Manston International Business Park, which will see a host of Chinese businesses setting up on the site.
The deal is with the Beijing Association of SME (small and medium-sized enterprises) and surety is provided by Chinamex, an arm of the Chinese government.
CGP chief Ken Wills said: "This is big news for Thanet. Because China is turning a Communist society into a capitalist one, there has been a huge amount of privatisation and it has a huge trade surplus.
"With tax and export regulations increasing they know the world trade market is closing around them so they are moving more and more business overseas."
Leader of Thanet council Sandy Ezekiel said: "It is great to see international companies wanting to come here and we will work with them."
MDIS, edit the gibberish out of your post please.
Sorry guys dont know what happened there.
MDIS
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I look back over the last few years and I see a growing Airport, As from when infratil took over we now have 4 cargo firms using the airport plus the odd other. More pax flights, last sunday about 5 large jets landed, also lot of other other traffic calls in for fuel.
Its not dead, far from it.
A lot of investment in the airport going on and planned.
Lets hope the statement by the goverment that planning could be made more simple, this could let the airport expand a lot faster.
Its not dead, far from it.
A lot of investment in the airport going on and planned.
Lets hope the statement by the goverment that planning could be made more simple, this could let the airport expand a lot faster.
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Planning
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Yes it is good to see more aircraft however the airport will only prosper if they are able to maximise revenue from the ancillary streams ie parking, retail, taxis, fuel sales, catering etc.
I dont think the relaxation of planning regulations really affects MSE as it mainly reduces the regulation on the development of domestic housing in terms of loft conversions and unfortunately I dont think there is much scope for this type of development at Manston.
The airport does not need to expand its buildings for a good while yet as it already has enough to cope with up to say 500,000 pax. If it did want to erect more buildings the Council would want to obstruct this with a new 106 agreement and neither Infratil nor this thread want to get into that debate again any time soon!!
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PS No takers on the Caribbean flights then?
Yes it is good to see more aircraft however the airport will only prosper if they are able to maximise revenue from the ancillary streams ie parking, retail, taxis, fuel sales, catering etc.
I dont think the relaxation of planning regulations really affects MSE as it mainly reduces the regulation on the development of domestic housing in terms of loft conversions and unfortunately I dont think there is much scope for this type of development at Manston.
The airport does not need to expand its buildings for a good while yet as it already has enough to cope with up to say 500,000 pax. If it did want to erect more buildings the Council would want to obstruct this with a new 106 agreement and neither Infratil nor this thread want to get into that debate again any time soon!!
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PS No takers on the Caribbean flights then?
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Manston
I ment the the White Paper that sets out our detailed proposals for reform of the planning system, building on Kate Barker’s recommendations for improving the speed, responsiveness and efficiency in land use planning, and taking forward Kate Barker’s and Rod Eddington’s proposals for reform of major infrastructure planning.
It proposes reforms on how we take decisions on nationally significant infrastructure projects - including energy, waste, waste-water and transport - responding to the challenges of economic globalisation and climate change.
It also proposes further reforms to the Town and Country Planning system, building on the recent improvements to make it more efficient and more responsive.
It proposes reforms on how we take decisions on nationally significant infrastructure projects - including energy, waste, waste-water and transport - responding to the challenges of economic globalisation and climate change.
It also proposes further reforms to the Town and Country Planning system, building on the recent improvements to make it more efficient and more responsive.
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Thanks HB
I hadnt realised this is what you meant.
However I am not aware that the airport itself needs to make any significant planning applications in the near future.
The land that is owned by Commercial Group Properties should not have any difficulty in obtaining planning approval as the whole area is earmarked for regeneration.
I did see plans a couple of years ago for a 3 stage expansion of the terminal building however I am not sure if these were just outline plans or if they had been submitted for approval.
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I hadnt realised this is what you meant.
However I am not aware that the airport itself needs to make any significant planning applications in the near future.
The land that is owned by Commercial Group Properties should not have any difficulty in obtaining planning approval as the whole area is earmarked for regeneration.
I did see plans a couple of years ago for a 3 stage expansion of the terminal building however I am not sure if these were just outline plans or if they had been submitted for approval.
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Caribbean flights
Thanks for saying where. My question would be - where are they booked to go from now? - as I would've thought that we were much too close to October for any new business to be successful.
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Cruise flights could begin in October 2007.
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Re: Chartering an aircraft. Aer Arann provide very competitive rates on chartering ATR42's and ATR72's, The 42's have 50 seats and the 72's have 66 - 70 seats. The details you need are available from the link below. It may be worth a try, and RE would not mind Positioning a/c to MSE or NTE
Re: Chartering an aircraft. Aer Arann provide very competitive rates on chartering ATR42's and ATR72's, The 42's have 50 seats and the 72's have 66 - 70 seats. The details you need are available from the link below. It may be worth a try, and RE would not mind Positioning a/c to MSE or NTE
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So here we are again. Some time since I came into this thread and here it is still talking the same old nonsense about Manston going to make it big.
So I got out my Maps and guess what.?? MSE is STILL at the end of the road....it has not moved one inch towards the major catchment areas. It does have a niche market, that's for sure, but as one previous poster pointed out, that is not enough to pay the bills. The Business Park and leasing helps somewhat, but a few aircraft coming and going on a seasonal basis does not. Commercial activities do however, that's why the major global supermarkets called Gatwick, Heathrow, Bangkok etc etc etc are successful. They get pax volume and so make large revenues. Landing fees contribute, but that's all they do....contribute. Parking large aircraft pays peanuts.
Manston was going to be huge back in the Invicta days, but has moved no closer to the dreams of some of the posters on this forum than then.
I don't know who niknak is, but he does make some very valid points. I have experience of Large AND small airports and also Large and small airlines over many years and I tell you that when the Ministry of Defence had the bill for the Runway, Radar and Air Traffic as well as site maintenance, it was the only time in the last 30+ years that there was even a whisper of making money out of MSE. No body will pass Heathrow or Gatwick to get to Manston, and the Pax catchment area in the South East (Kent) will not support more than the niche market I mentioned. Just wishing it were otherwise is pure dreamtime in the extreme. Go on.....make me wrong.
So I got out my Maps and guess what.?? MSE is STILL at the end of the road....it has not moved one inch towards the major catchment areas. It does have a niche market, that's for sure, but as one previous poster pointed out, that is not enough to pay the bills. The Business Park and leasing helps somewhat, but a few aircraft coming and going on a seasonal basis does not. Commercial activities do however, that's why the major global supermarkets called Gatwick, Heathrow, Bangkok etc etc etc are successful. They get pax volume and so make large revenues. Landing fees contribute, but that's all they do....contribute. Parking large aircraft pays peanuts.
Manston was going to be huge back in the Invicta days, but has moved no closer to the dreams of some of the posters on this forum than then.
I don't know who niknak is, but he does make some very valid points. I have experience of Large AND small airports and also Large and small airlines over many years and I tell you that when the Ministry of Defence had the bill for the Runway, Radar and Air Traffic as well as site maintenance, it was the only time in the last 30+ years that there was even a whisper of making money out of MSE. No body will pass Heathrow or Gatwick to get to Manston, and the Pax catchment area in the South East (Kent) will not support more than the niche market I mentioned. Just wishing it were otherwise is pure dreamtime in the extreme. Go on.....make me wrong.
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On and on...and on....and on....
This thread had been quiet for a week. Nothing had been up for discussion as there had been no news, good or bad, to report.
Then you came along, discussed how the thread remained the same, and just went over old ground yourself! It is the likes of you that makes the thread a long list of repostong old tosh we've heard a hundred times
Then you came along, discussed how the thread remained the same, and just went over old ground yourself! It is the likes of you that makes the thread a long list of repostong old tosh we've heard a hundred times
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Oh Twitcher, I fear that Taildragger dropped his baited hook in the
murky waters of the Manston thread reeled you in and left you flapping on the bank!!
murky waters of the Manston thread reeled you in and left you flapping on the bank!!