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Thats it toptrumps thanks for link
Maybe its that flying the Kent Escape flights
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In fact, they may well find that they are forced to sign a new agreement in exchange for those planning permissions.
From the point of view of the Council this removes the control they have, and is not popular. At election time prospective Councillors may say they'll fight the airport etc, but once in office they might not find it so easy!
Therefore controversial planning applications tend to go through with conditions, S106 agreements etc attached. However big companies know this and will have reflected it in the original application.
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106 Agreement
Infratil dont need to agree a new one.
The Manston neggies dont need one because the airport doesnt have a hope!!
The Manston supporters dont need to worry because the airport can operate up to to 600,000 pax without a renewal.
Where is the problem.
Next!
MDIS
The Manston neggies dont need one because the airport doesnt have a hope!!
The Manston supporters dont need to worry because the airport can operate up to to 600,000 pax without a renewal.
Where is the problem.
Next!
MDIS
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UK airports takeover activity??
Google alert for Infratil.
Infrastructure and airports investor Infratil was up 1.5 percent at NZ$6.10, buoyed by takeover activity in the U.K. airports sector, where it has investments.
Have I missed something??
MDIS
Infrastructure and airports investor Infratil was up 1.5 percent at NZ$6.10, buoyed by takeover activity in the U.K. airports sector, where it has investments.
Have I missed something??
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Interesting statement from Matt Clarke about Manston/Infratil, in an article about the recently started Kent Escapes program.
Full story
We are known as a long-term and active investor and we have a 20-year plan for Manston
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Here is the full story off yesterdays first passager flight http://www.kentinternationalairport-...Sunseekers.asp . Looking good that Infratil have a 20 year plan.
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James
http://www.kentinternationalairport-...Sunseekers.asp . Looking good that Infratil have a 20 year plan.Regards
James
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The Eastern Block Countries used to have 5 year plans and look where it got them.
Naturally Kent Escapes are optomistic, they're undoubtedly getting what amounts to a s near to a "free ride" from Manston as any operator could hope to get.
Whatever happens this year, the Kent travelling public will not tolerate the future price rises Manston will have to impose to break even (never mind make a profit).
The clients for the type of trade Manston could only aspire to attract vote with their wallets first, make it cheap and they'll be there - but with no profit for the airport, increase prices and they'll be off to Gatwick and Stansted.
Either way Manston loses.
Naturally Kent Escapes are optomistic, they're undoubtedly getting what amounts to a s near to a "free ride" from Manston as any operator could hope to get.
Whatever happens this year, the Kent travelling public will not tolerate the future price rises Manston will have to impose to break even (never mind make a profit).
The clients for the type of trade Manston could only aspire to attract vote with their wallets first, make it cheap and they'll be there - but with no profit for the airport, increase prices and they'll be off to Gatwick and Stansted.
Either way Manston loses.
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The Eastern Block Countries used to have 5 year plans and look where it got them.
You ever support Manston or you dont and we know who they are so can we just move on please
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Actually I would love Manston to do well, just as I would any other avaition enterprise.
However, I've been in the aviation business for a long long time, I've seen airlines and airports come and airlines and airports go.
I've got a very good idea of what it takes to make an airport work, I know that the board of Infratil have taken a huge risk with Manston and in my opinion, it hasn't paid off.
They did a fantastic job with Prestwick, but Manston isn't Prestwick and never ever will even get near to the success that it is, it's like comparing Morrisons with the local village shop.
You can have as much freight as you like at Manston, but the income it brings in is peanuts compared with what it costs on a daily basis to keep the airport running.
Landing fees won't cover costs so Manston needs passengers and terminal franchises, and lots of them.
Infratil have had several years to get this sorted and I think their board must now realise that they simply don't have the customer demand to make it a vaible enterprise.
I applaud optomism but I also can't help feeling that there are an awful lot of posters here who are very well intentioned, but completely ignorant of commercial reality.
I hope I am wrong, but I don't think so.
However, I've been in the aviation business for a long long time, I've seen airlines and airports come and airlines and airports go.
I've got a very good idea of what it takes to make an airport work, I know that the board of Infratil have taken a huge risk with Manston and in my opinion, it hasn't paid off.
They did a fantastic job with Prestwick, but Manston isn't Prestwick and never ever will even get near to the success that it is, it's like comparing Morrisons with the local village shop.
You can have as much freight as you like at Manston, but the income it brings in is peanuts compared with what it costs on a daily basis to keep the airport running.
Landing fees won't cover costs so Manston needs passengers and terminal franchises, and lots of them.
Infratil have had several years to get this sorted and I think their board must now realise that they simply don't have the customer demand to make it a vaible enterprise.
I applaud optomism but I also can't help feeling that there are an awful lot of posters here who are very well intentioned, but completely ignorant of commercial reality.
I hope I am wrong, but I don't think so.
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Niknak
I also have been in and around aviation for many years too and happen to think that Manston is a little gem - waiting to be polished!
You say that Infratil have done a great job with Prestwick and yet take away Ryan Air and you have an airport very similair.
Of course along with a popular loco comes a lot of passengers and then along comes those magic franchises that you talk about.
You also fail to mention that as well landing fee's that there is a handling charge per pallet and fuel uploads, which generally amount to 100 tonnes per flight.(b747)
So in that respect, Manston isnt that far away.
I also have been in and around aviation for many years too and happen to think that Manston is a little gem - waiting to be polished!
You say that Infratil have done a great job with Prestwick and yet take away Ryan Air and you have an airport very similair.
Of course along with a popular loco comes a lot of passengers and then along comes those magic franchises that you talk about.
You also fail to mention that as well landing fee's that there is a handling charge per pallet and fuel uploads, which generally amount to 100 tonnes per flight.(b747)
So in that respect, Manston isnt that far away.
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Blazing Air.
If it were only that simple.
The fact is that Ryanair saw the market for Prestwick as a cheap alternative to Glasgow and Edinburgh and Infratil encouraged them to develop the market there very quickly and that market will be there to stay.
Manston isn't a cheap alternative to anywhere, if fares are reduced it's because the airline has made a deal with the airport operator and other than the very limited season of current flights, there's absolutely no sign of any increase in passenger figures for the future.
I would also contend that to attract the freight to Manston, Infratil have had to offer a very good deal regarding the handling charges, no doubt they cover their costs and make a small profit, but not enough to make it viable in the long term.
The fact remains that Manston's passenger catchment area is also Gatwick's and Stansted's in terms of commercial viability, as much as I'd like to see Manston's gem polished, I don't believe anyone has a big enough duster to make it shiney enough.
If it were only that simple.
The fact is that Ryanair saw the market for Prestwick as a cheap alternative to Glasgow and Edinburgh and Infratil encouraged them to develop the market there very quickly and that market will be there to stay.
Manston isn't a cheap alternative to anywhere, if fares are reduced it's because the airline has made a deal with the airport operator and other than the very limited season of current flights, there's absolutely no sign of any increase in passenger figures for the future.
I would also contend that to attract the freight to Manston, Infratil have had to offer a very good deal regarding the handling charges, no doubt they cover their costs and make a small profit, but not enough to make it viable in the long term.
The fact remains that Manston's passenger catchment area is also Gatwick's and Stansted's in terms of commercial viability, as much as I'd like to see Manston's gem polished, I don't believe anyone has a big enough duster to make it shiney enough.
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Very Interesting,
If .... just if.....Manston turns to pax in 2008 with No`s in the EU Jet figures for the first year, with MK keeping status quo and Cargo Lux increasing.
Will we still be comparing as such? or talking in terms of other possible negative problems?
I am sure some...., will have a comprehensive informative response.
Billy.
If .... just if.....Manston turns to pax in 2008 with No`s in the EU Jet figures for the first year, with MK keeping status quo and Cargo Lux increasing.
Will we still be comparing as such? or talking in terms of other possible negative problems?
I am sure some...., will have a comprehensive informative response.
Billy.