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You can forecast as many tons as you like, but without adequate revenue from that tonnage, what's the point?
Incidentally, why have we stopped hearing anything about Kent Escapes?
Incidentally, why have we stopped hearing anything about Kent Escapes?
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Manston 747s
Quick question here, anyone out there know why OASIS 747s were taking off and landing at Manston about this time lasy year- was this due to a lack off parking space at LGW (me thinks not)- their plans were appearing to do touch and go landings...
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Operating Costs ?
All praise to MSE's management in the upturn in traffic, interesting factor that im wondering is the prices they charge for turnround of an freighter or a one-way offload[no on-load].
If the recent correspondant's report on saying that 10 x wideboded freighters per week is generating a profit, even if its a small one, then what has happened to the initial purchase price of MSE, has it been written off or is it part of the owners other operatation, eg Prestwick's profits supporting MSE??? - Essence of BAA's operation, before BAA owned airports have had to stand on their own two feet and not being subsidised by a more profitable airport ---
Therefore correct me if im wrong[and im sure you guys out there will !!]. MSE must therefore have a low cost-base and offering incentives that are maintained at this low level to entice airlines to use the airport on a long-term basis. If this is the case, how can MSE turn year-on-profits, as with the investment that has occured, somewhere along the line, the owners would expect a bigger profit.
Not being cynical here, its good to see them getting MK back and enticing MS back to the UK, with CV operating perishable flights aswell, but obviously it all boils down to costs and charges for services from MSE and handling company to keep airlines.
If the recent correspondant's report on saying that 10 x wideboded freighters per week is generating a profit, even if its a small one, then what has happened to the initial purchase price of MSE, has it been written off or is it part of the owners other operatation, eg Prestwick's profits supporting MSE??? - Essence of BAA's operation, before BAA owned airports have had to stand on their own two feet and not being subsidised by a more profitable airport ---
Therefore correct me if im wrong[and im sure you guys out there will !!]. MSE must therefore have a low cost-base and offering incentives that are maintained at this low level to entice airlines to use the airport on a long-term basis. If this is the case, how can MSE turn year-on-profits, as with the investment that has occured, somewhere along the line, the owners would expect a bigger profit.
Not being cynical here, its good to see them getting MK back and enticing MS back to the UK, with CV operating perishable flights aswell, but obviously it all boils down to costs and charges for services from MSE and handling company to keep airlines.
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quote dedave (but without adequate revenue from that tonnage)
What you are saying is what ever amount of cargo comes in the revenue is inadequate.
I have spoken to a cargo agent who said, MSE rates are much the same as other airports and the rates are the same for all airlines, But could be lower if deals were done based on fixed tonages.
You must be party to some information.
I am new to this forums, but I have looked back at some of your posts, you have never said anything good about the Airport just finding fault and doom and gloom.
Perhaps you just would just like it closed down. Maybe it will, but I dont think will.
On the cargo side I am sure it will become one of the top uk cargo 24/7 airports.
quote dedave (but without adequate revenue from that tonnage)
What you are saying is what ever amount of cargo comes in the revenue is inadequate.
I have spoken to a cargo agent who said, MSE rates are much the same as other airports and the rates are the same for all airlines, But could be lower if deals were done based on fixed tonages.
You must be party to some information.
I am new to this forums, but I have looked back at some of your posts, you have never said anything good about the Airport just finding fault and doom and gloom.
Perhaps you just would just like it closed down. Maybe it will, but I dont think will.
On the cargo side I am sure it will become one of the top uk cargo 24/7 airports.
I agree that MSE has a good chance of becoming successful in the freight market, but as regards 24/7 ops I'm not so sure.
Does anyone have a feeling for the likelihood of MSE being granted H24 capability by Thanet Council, whose approval would I assume be required?
Does anyone have a feeling for the likelihood of MSE being granted H24 capability by Thanet Council, whose approval would I assume be required?
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The fact is planes do come in from time to time at night, one a few weeks ago. So what !, was the airport told off. NO, the council has no powers I was told a poll was taken a few years ago with residents and they came out for the airport.
I am sure If you asked again, the same would happen, I am sure most residents would like to see KIA as a going concern.
And the odd plane a night is no problem to anyone.
I am sure If you asked again, the same would happen, I am sure most residents would like to see KIA as a going concern.
And the odd plane a night is no problem to anyone.
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24 hour airport at Manston - GREAT, I'm all in favour - go for it I say and if you don't like airports on your doorstep why did you choose to live there? It was there long before you were and a damn sight noisier in the past than it is now .
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Euroairport-
Forgive me for doubting your information, but the last "rumour" you posted here was a flight programme for Manston which in fact belonged to Prestwick.
You now appear to be suggesting MK are paying a full commercial rate for their use of Manston.
Can you confirm this?
Forgive me for doubting your information, but the last "rumour" you posted here was a flight programme for Manston which in fact belonged to Prestwick.
You now appear to be suggesting MK are paying a full commercial rate for their use of Manston.
Can you confirm this?
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Re CATFLAPS post
(Thanet District Council has never ensured that the airport has planning permission).
So the councils not worried about the odd night flight, say no more.
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quote (You now appear to be suggesting MK are paying a full commercial rate for their use of Manston)
No, but can you confirm they are not ? I can only go on info I am told.
as for PX flights I will stand by my post as I understand that some Holidays flight could go via preswick to give a wider range of destns next year.
(Thanet District Council has never ensured that the airport has planning permission).
So the councils not worried about the odd night flight, say no more.
Re Dedave
quote (You now appear to be suggesting MK are paying a full commercial rate for their use of Manston)
No, but can you confirm they are not ? I can only go on info I am told.
as for PX flights I will stand by my post as I understand that some Holidays flight could go via preswick to give a wider range of destns next year.
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Good grief!!!!
Does anyone actually research anything before posting utter rubbish about MSE!!
I suggest some posters view, digest the factual information regarding MSE such as night flights etc.
I have to agree with Catflaps on some of the issues pertaining to planning permissions and MSE it is going to be very expensive to implement PPS9 and PAS 2010 - let alone a forthcoming discharge consent application?
Also the local authority is still awaiting the MSE master plan. As i type this up a report is being sent around the local Cllrs regarding Manston aspects and its support which is at odds with whats being reported through MSE's KIACC? But then again i only deal in matters of fact i leave the rumours to the other 90% of this Manston 2 forum.
Does anyone actually research anything before posting utter rubbish about MSE!!
I suggest some posters view, digest the factual information regarding MSE such as night flights etc.
- The local residents supported the Airport with controls - night flights where not well received at all, certainly not 24/7.
- The MORI report did not deal with do you want a 24/7 hour airport.
- The noise monitoring is woefully inadequate to support 24/7 operations
I have to agree with Catflaps on some of the issues pertaining to planning permissions and MSE it is going to be very expensive to implement PPS9 and PAS 2010 - let alone a forthcoming discharge consent application?
Also the local authority is still awaiting the MSE master plan. As i type this up a report is being sent around the local Cllrs regarding Manston aspects and its support which is at odds with whats being reported through MSE's KIACC? But then again i only deal in matters of fact i leave the rumours to the other 90% of this Manston 2 forum.
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I would like see noise monitoring on major roads. but it's not going to happen.
I can hear noise all from traffic all night, in the summer when windows are open. it wakes up from time to time, but thats life. the UK operates 24/7
Do we shut roads down at night, ban motor bikes afer 10, cars pass my house with radios that shake my windows.
The odd jet passing over makes makes little noise these days.
How I see it, most of the posts, are from peple who just would like to see the airport closed down.
So many more things, are far more inportant, the standard of care of our old peple in the NHS, crime you can on and on.
Councils and the rest, Let the airport run the airport.
I can hear noise all from traffic all night, in the summer when windows are open. it wakes up from time to time, but thats life. the UK operates 24/7
Do we shut roads down at night, ban motor bikes afer 10, cars pass my house with radios that shake my windows.
The odd jet passing over makes makes little noise these days.
How I see it, most of the posts, are from peple who just would like to see the airport closed down.
So many more things, are far more inportant, the standard of care of our old peple in the NHS, crime you can on and on.
Councils and the rest, Let the airport run the airport.
Typically of the MSE forum, some people seem more interested in sniping at each other rather than actually addressing the question I posed.
Euroairport predicted that MSE would become one of the UK's top cargo 24/7 airports (although he then seems to modify this somewhat in later posts by referring to "the odd night flight" - not quite the same thing).
Is there not a Section 106 agreement in force which states that six months' notice, together with noise safeguards, has to be given to the Council prior to the introduction of any movements between 2300 & 0700?
Has any such notice been given and, to repeat my original question, what is the likelihood of a positive response being received?
It's all very well saying that UK plc is 24/7, therefore the Thanet residents will just have to put up with an H24 MSE, but real life isn't as simple as that and neither should it be.
Euroairport predicted that MSE would become one of the UK's top cargo 24/7 airports (although he then seems to modify this somewhat in later posts by referring to "the odd night flight" - not quite the same thing).
Is there not a Section 106 agreement in force which states that six months' notice, together with noise safeguards, has to be given to the Council prior to the introduction of any movements between 2300 & 0700?
Has any such notice been given and, to repeat my original question, what is the likelihood of a positive response being received?
It's all very well saying that UK plc is 24/7, therefore the Thanet residents will just have to put up with an H24 MSE, but real life isn't as simple as that and neither should it be.
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I'll repeat the question for those of you who live near Manston, why did you move there? It's always been there, it was your choice, you knew what it was like when the Yanks were there and by comparison today's modern aircraft are just a whisper, so either live with it or go somewhere else, it's a fairly simple choice really
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I would hardly call MK's fleet modern! Regardless of that Manstonman, sadly the argument 'we were here first' does not stand up in under UK law!
People have a right to live in homes without too much invasion from noise pollution etc. You would be pissed if you moved into a house and the next door neighbour played music loudly and his response to your complaints was simply 'i lived here first.' Every airport in the country is having problems like these!
People have a right to live in homes without too much invasion from noise pollution etc. You would be pissed if you moved into a house and the next door neighbour played music loudly and his response to your complaints was simply 'i lived here first.' Every airport in the country is having problems like these!
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Catflaps
Thanks for the input about planning permission. If I read you right, Manston has all the permissions it needs to operate as it presently does. If it wants to make any changes it will require the necessary planning permissions for those changes. Sounds like normal requirements for any UK business to me.
Thanks for the input about planning permission. If I read you right, Manston has all the permissions it needs to operate as it presently does. If it wants to make any changes it will require the necessary planning permissions for those changes. Sounds like normal requirements for any UK business to me.