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And there is a large Eastern European population in Kent. The only problem is they like ( in general) to chase a good deal, even if it means travelling to get it. This could work both ways though.
I think the good Bear was suggesting that MSE might offer very attractive incentives to Wizz in terms of rebated movement fees and pax taxes plus, perhaps, some marketing assistance.
These days an airline has to be more than "interested in operating from Manston" to make it actually happen. The airport operator has to do a lot of work as well.
These days an airline has to be more than "interested in operating from Manston" to make it actually happen. The airport operator has to do a lot of work as well.
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In fact 2 Atlas machines have turned up today. Research on FlyteComm reveals that one came from Incirlik, with no known departure date and time, and the other came from Prestwick and is due out this evening, having been loaded with some cargo, to JFK. Hmm: very interesting.
Also in today have been a DC10 and a 737 with passengers and an MK 747. No EgyptAir Airbus so far, but they often come in late on a Sunday.
Sorry if this report upsets sensitive souls; it's designed to show that traffic is on the up. Has Manston turned the corner at last?
Also in today have been a DC10 and a 737 with passengers and an MK 747. No EgyptAir Airbus so far, but they often come in late on a Sunday.
Sorry if this report upsets sensitive souls; it's designed to show that traffic is on the up. Has Manston turned the corner at last?
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Four planes in one day means that they've turned the corner?, I would say so, Cargo earns a lot more cash than px
I would say that 3 or 4 large cargo per day and the airport would break even. far more cash in cargo.
I would say that 3 or 4 large cargo per day and the airport would break even. far more cash in cargo.
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I agree that 4 planes per day, assuming freight loads of 50 tonnes each, would not be sufficient for a profitable operation, even though Planestation estimated that 70,000 tonnes would be adequate when they were in place. However, I would take issue that 50 planes would be needed as that would suggest a throughput in exess of 900,000 tonnes. Not many UK airports handle anywhere near that amount of freight.
Perhaps you would be kind enough to post your estimates so that we could discuss them.
I agree that 4 planes per day, assuming freight loads of 50 tonnes each, would not be sufficient for a profitable operation, even though Planestation estimated that 70,000 tonnes would be adequate when they were in place. However, I would take issue that 50 planes would be needed as that would suggest a throughput in exess of 900,000 tonnes. Not many UK airports handle anywhere near that amount of freight.
Perhaps you would be kind enough to post your estimates so that we could discuss them.
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The present level of traffic is generating 1,000 tons per week i.e. 50,000 tons p.a. Only one more biggish customer is required to make freight profitable.
As for pax, one 737 in/out per hour would show a profit.
Training is doing very well, and DAS has found a buyer - that could be interesting. There are rumours of bizjet expansion. Watch this space.
As for pax, one 737 in/out per hour would show a profit.
Training is doing very well, and DAS has found a buyer - that could be interesting. There are rumours of bizjet expansion. Watch this space.
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You should not base all you figures on Aeronautical Income
MSE must also get revenue from renting buildings, the DAS hangar would bring in a bit, TG, landing fees training flights.
With the cargo operation building up, the airports doing quite well.
I was told the airport was visited by the directors of infratil a few days ago, and things are going ok.
The fact is we dont know what loss they are making, we are not party to that infomation.
My contact in the cargo trade, informs me, two more cargo firms could be moving in from London Airports.
watch this space
MSE must also get revenue from renting buildings, the DAS hangar would bring in a bit, TG, landing fees training flights.
With the cargo operation building up, the airports doing quite well.
I was told the airport was visited by the directors of infratil a few days ago, and things are going ok.
The fact is we dont know what loss they are making, we are not party to that infomation.
My contact in the cargo trade, informs me, two more cargo firms could be moving in from London Airports.
watch this space
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I was looking back at the Manston thread from this time last year, and without a doubt, the last three months of the year are the "silly season" in terms of pprune being used for Manston promotion.
Maybe it's something to do with the adrenaline rush some folk seem to get from the seasonal rise in cargo.
It would appear that this year is no different.
I doubt anyone is daft enough to fall for it any more.
Maybe it's something to do with the adrenaline rush some folk seem to get from the seasonal rise in cargo.
It would appear that this year is no different.
I doubt anyone is daft enough to fall for it any more.
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Kent International Airport handled 2,509 tonnes of freight in October 2006, a record month and a 48.5% ahead of the corresponding month 2005.
wait and see this October figures.
I think your find the trend is up.
wait and see this October figures.
I think your find the trend is up.
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"I think you'll find the trend is up"
Only if you are very selective in your use of the statistics.
In 2007, June, July, August and September all showed lower cargo yields than the previous year.
At a macro level, examination of the CAA statistics show that freight has fluctuated up and down significantly since 1999.
Freight operations at Manston are unreliable with operators coming and going almost on a whim.
"I think you'll find the trend is a yo-yo at a low level of operation"
Regarding income, the bulk of cargo business is MK. As we all know, historically they have enjoyed a massive discount at MSE, and no indication has been given that this has changed.
Only if you are very selective in your use of the statistics.
In 2007, June, July, August and September all showed lower cargo yields than the previous year.
At a macro level, examination of the CAA statistics show that freight has fluctuated up and down significantly since 1999.
Freight operations at Manston are unreliable with operators coming and going almost on a whim.
"I think you'll find the trend is a yo-yo at a low level of operation"
Regarding income, the bulk of cargo business is MK. As we all know, historically they have enjoyed a massive discount at MSE, and no indication has been given that this has changed.