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Has the small jet company left KIA?
What small Jet company is this then Never heard off one there before only visits and thats by Shell Aviation?
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I've also noticed that there's been quite a few been parked up near the freight area recently. One was actually in the hangar being given the once-over by a load of blokes in dayglo jackets.
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Most of the bizjets seen regularly are operated by Netjets. They use MSE a lot for training flights. They aren't based there. Generally they are ones with a registration starting with CS-. There is a noticeable upsurge in other bizjet traffic lately too.
Looking good today, no small bizjets by the terminal as MK and Cargolux will be using the main apron and OHK will be crew training.
Looking good today, no small bizjets by the terminal as MK and Cargolux will be using the main apron and OHK will be crew training.
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No disrespect intended towards Barnaby but I would rather read a few trivial posts on here than more of Davedee's negatives. Maybe he might instead like to tell us all exactly what his problem is with Manston however trivial?
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Perhaps, like me, BtB and DD would like to see something significant and justifying posting in a News thread instead of all the meaningless tripe that usually gets posted in here.
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Received a pm yesterday (thanks to Peter) regarding the bizjet in hangar 3 that I saw.
http://www.kiafire.org.uk/hs125%20emergency.htm
http://www.kiafire.org.uk/hs125%20emergency.htm
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"What is the problem with Manston".
This question has been asked a couple of times now so I suppose I should answer.
As someone who formerly believed Manston had a viable future, I now believe it has become a problem for the following reasons -
A) Manston is a problem for the aviation sector.
Aviation is currently under the environmental microscope, and must tread carefully. Using large amounts of private (and previously public) money to try and kick start an airport for which there is clearly little demand does nothing to strengthen our case.
B) Manston is a problem for Infratil.
The large amounts of cash absorbed by MSE come from Infratil's other operations, and from shareholders. I see no reason why institutional investors such as pension funds should continue to support this lame duck with minimal prospects.
Also, if I worked at Prestwick I would be a bit miffed to be working my backside off to support a failing airport several hundred miles away.
C) Manston is a problem for Thanet.
We are still encouraged to "live the dream" of Manston's contribution to the area in terms of jobs and regeneration. In reality, outside of the business park, the operational airport generates little employment, and lately has been tarnishing Thanet's reputation with headline-grabbing environmental issues.
D) Manston is a problem for it's employees.
OK, MSE is a lovely place to work but it offers little in terms of job security. Also, if the long dark shadow of Manston's failure damages the prospects for other regional airports in Kent, this can only be a bad thing for employment.
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This question has been asked a couple of times now so I suppose I should answer.
As someone who formerly believed Manston had a viable future, I now believe it has become a problem for the following reasons -
A) Manston is a problem for the aviation sector.
Aviation is currently under the environmental microscope, and must tread carefully. Using large amounts of private (and previously public) money to try and kick start an airport for which there is clearly little demand does nothing to strengthen our case.
B) Manston is a problem for Infratil.
The large amounts of cash absorbed by MSE come from Infratil's other operations, and from shareholders. I see no reason why institutional investors such as pension funds should continue to support this lame duck with minimal prospects.
Also, if I worked at Prestwick I would be a bit miffed to be working my backside off to support a failing airport several hundred miles away.
C) Manston is a problem for Thanet.
We are still encouraged to "live the dream" of Manston's contribution to the area in terms of jobs and regeneration. In reality, outside of the business park, the operational airport generates little employment, and lately has been tarnishing Thanet's reputation with headline-grabbing environmental issues.
D) Manston is a problem for it's employees.
OK, MSE is a lovely place to work but it offers little in terms of job security. Also, if the long dark shadow of Manston's failure damages the prospects for other regional airports in Kent, this can only be a bad thing for employment.
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Saw a Brymon Dash 7 G-BRY? operating a flight to Jersey at Manston a while ago... probably 1992ish
Seriously though, How Manston can think it can compete with the major freight movements and tonnage now passing through nearby Lympne airport is beyond me....
Seriously though, How Manston can think it can compete with the major freight movements and tonnage now passing through nearby Lympne airport is beyond me....
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I have been following this thread for some time now as I am interested in following the fortunes of a small regional airport who in reality faces an uphilll battle. I see many parallels between MSE and PIK in terms of attempts to get established so I wish MSE every success.
I have two gripes.
1. There is a lot of 'spotter' trivia and I wish the postings were more substantial in terms of news and progress.
2. What is far worse IMHO are the postings of several contributers which are completely negative and infantile in their sarcasm. They say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit so I'm disappointed that the thread attracts several examples of the human equivalent of the amoeba.
Lets keep the postings informative please.
I have two gripes.
1. There is a lot of 'spotter' trivia and I wish the postings were more substantial in terms of news and progress.
2. What is far worse IMHO are the postings of several contributers which are completely negative and infantile in their sarcasm. They say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit so I'm disappointed that the thread attracts several examples of the human equivalent of the amoeba.
Lets keep the postings informative please.
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A) Manston is a problem for the aviation sector.
Aviation is currently under the environmental microscope, and must tread carefully. Using large amounts of private (and previously public) money to try and kick start an airport for which there is clearly little demand does nothing to strengthen our case.
Ridiculous argument, how can you blame the "aviation sector's" environmental ills on Manston alone?
B) Manston is a problem for Infratil.
The large amounts of cash absorbed by MSE come from Infratil's other operations, and from shareholders. I see no reason why institutional investors such as pension funds should continue to support this lame duck with minimal prospects.
You see no reason? Without being rude that appears to be a personal thing which has given you another chance to put the knife into Manston!
Also, if I worked at Prestwick I would be a bit miffed to be working my backside off to support a failing airport several hundred miles away.
I doubt if Prestwick's workers could give a monkey's, Infratil will continue to pay their wages regardless of what happens down South.
C) Manston is a problem for Thanet.
We are still encouraged to "live the dream" of Manston's contribution to the area in terms of jobs and regeneration. In reality, outside of the business park, the operational airport generates little employment, and lately has been tarnishing Thanet's reputation with headline-grabbing environmental issues.
Headline-grabbing environmental issues? That'll be the stories in the Thanet Times then(!!??) Some bloke who didn't like a 747 training on Sunday morning and a single Councillor who doesn't like the airport, got his facts wrong and was taken to task by the Leader of Thanet Council.
D) Manston is a problem for it's employees.
OK, MSE is a lovely place to work but it offers little in terms of job security. Also, if the long dark shadow of Manston's failure damages the prospects for other regional airports in Kent, this can only be a bad thing for employment.
Manston's failure damages the prospects for other regional airports in Kent? You obviously mean Lympne who are going all out to establish themselves as the airport in Kent. I suspect that you and the other negative posters here may, for whatever reasons, be more interested in its development than Manston's?
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Aviation is currently under the environmental microscope, and must tread carefully. Using large amounts of private (and previously public) money to try and kick start an airport for which there is clearly little demand does nothing to strengthen our case.
Ridiculous argument, how can you blame the "aviation sector's" environmental ills on Manston alone?
B) Manston is a problem for Infratil.
The large amounts of cash absorbed by MSE come from Infratil's other operations, and from shareholders. I see no reason why institutional investors such as pension funds should continue to support this lame duck with minimal prospects.
You see no reason? Without being rude that appears to be a personal thing which has given you another chance to put the knife into Manston!
Also, if I worked at Prestwick I would be a bit miffed to be working my backside off to support a failing airport several hundred miles away.
I doubt if Prestwick's workers could give a monkey's, Infratil will continue to pay their wages regardless of what happens down South.
C) Manston is a problem for Thanet.
We are still encouraged to "live the dream" of Manston's contribution to the area in terms of jobs and regeneration. In reality, outside of the business park, the operational airport generates little employment, and lately has been tarnishing Thanet's reputation with headline-grabbing environmental issues.
Headline-grabbing environmental issues? That'll be the stories in the Thanet Times then(!!??) Some bloke who didn't like a 747 training on Sunday morning and a single Councillor who doesn't like the airport, got his facts wrong and was taken to task by the Leader of Thanet Council.
D) Manston is a problem for it's employees.
OK, MSE is a lovely place to work but it offers little in terms of job security. Also, if the long dark shadow of Manston's failure damages the prospects for other regional airports in Kent, this can only be a bad thing for employment.
Manston's failure damages the prospects for other regional airports in Kent? You obviously mean Lympne who are going all out to establish themselves as the airport in Kent. I suspect that you and the other negative posters here may, for whatever reasons, be more interested in its development than Manston's?
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Ridiculous argument, how can you blame the "aviation sector's" environmental ills on Manston alone?
Aviation in the last 10 years has boomed massively and still no one has bothered to look at Manston, other than EUJet and look where that got them!
I understand completely people being optimistic regarding the future for the airport but what with a possible recession in the future and the knock on impacts on airlines this will have, what chance is there realistically of Manston ever getting flights? Ryanair and Easy have loads of aircraft on order but they are more likely to be based in newer EU countries than at Manston.
What is really starting to bug me is whenever someone posts something negative people accuse them of having a blinkered attitude towards the airport. This works both ways though! Sure be positive but the trivial posts regarding aircraft movements are a little tiresome now and be positive and realistic at the same time. People with a negative attitude towards Manston are entitled towards their opinions just as much as people with a positive attitude are.
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I agree with the latter part of your posting to a certain extent but also find it a bit tiresome that whenever someone attempts to big-up Manston for whatever reason immediately the spoilers move in and fire off a couple of childish cheap shots like the earlier ones from catflaps and Morbid.
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Manston is thriving. I saw confidential documents showing that three Twix bars were sold from the vending machine in August of this year. This compared with just two Twix bars in August of 2006. I make that a fifty percent increase. Not bad for an airport they say has no future.
So confidental that you decided to post the details on here...
On a slightly more positive note, according to Wikipedia there are a few ad-hoc charters operating from MSE in the coming months, nothing special I know, but at least its something...
- 28/10/07 - Eurofly to Naples (A320, I assume)
- 20/11/07 - Air Malta to Malta (A319 or A320)
- 14/12/07 - Smart Wings to Prague
- 09/04/08 - Astraeus to Funchal (737 or 757)
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Well said Nickmanl.!!! The doubters as well as the Pro Manston people really are entitled to their say. OK..so it may be nothing new, but then neither is the "We are on the up an up" comments which never amount to anything. I do have a very good inside knowledge of MSE's possibilites and plans, but the "Jam today" brigade only have hopes and dreams. Sad...very sad, but hard facts are not easy to digest.
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other than EUJet and look where that got them!
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I was led to believe EUJet brought down planestation - not the other way around although please correct me if I'm wrong! EUJet would probably still be flying if they stuck to providing wet leases and charters but passenger numbers of only 300,000 when the parent company needed 500,000 was its ultimate downfall!
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passenger numbers of only 300,000 when the parent company needed 500,000 was its ultimate downfall
But we will never know until another LCC comes into Land
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Could we please see an end to this sterile "debate" and concentrate on rumours and news? It's all been said ad nauseam.
In the last fortnight two new customers have run ad hoc cargo flights - Air Charter Express and Royal Jordanian Cargo. EgyptAir are regular Sunday and Wednesday visitors, and in the last 7 days MK have run 5 flights.
On the downside - perhaps, as it should lead to better things - DAS are in administration, so we wait to see the outcome.
In the last fortnight two new customers have run ad hoc cargo flights - Air Charter Express and Royal Jordanian Cargo. EgyptAir are regular Sunday and Wednesday visitors, and in the last 7 days MK have run 5 flights.
On the downside - perhaps, as it should lead to better things - DAS are in administration, so we wait to see the outcome.