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Its one thing when you push the envelope on a European route network but try the same thing on a longhaul network and you will go bust in no time.
Must be quite good fun flying for such an new carrier, how is their ETOPS training, do you allow people with no ATPL to fly 2 crew ETOPS? Hope you have good Skippers!
Must be quite good fun flying for such an new carrier, how is their ETOPS training, do you allow people with no ATPL to fly 2 crew ETOPS? Hope you have good Skippers!
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If you are flying to SFB, you will most likely be flying on a GSM 767, a GSM 757 or a NEOS 767 (The blue one).
The first day the NEOS 767 operated, it was delayed in GLA. This was because GSM ops didn't realise the catering equipment was different on this a/c than their other 767's. I believe it was only an hour delay, with 30 minutes made up in BFS.
If one of these A/C go tech, which isn't rare, you will be flying on a 738. The last time this happened, the crew that were flying were not ETOPS trained, only some of the ETOPS equipment was not fitted (no rafts) and the crew had to dress up as pax to go through cutstoms. This is not a rumour! It happened!
The NEOS 767 has a buisness class and economy class seating. However, they provide a 'premium economy' service to the first class pax. There are roughly about 10 rows of buisness. The rest is economy seating with 2 different services; Economy / Premium-economy. I'm not aware of the pitches, but the Buisness Class seats are very generous, and of course, it's a NEOS crew, who are quite friendly and helpfull.
Another NEOS 767 is on it's way. It will be in GLA in roughly a weeks time. They're longhaul routes should hopefully be back on track... until their own 767 (GCEFG) Joins Papa Tango to operate Air India flights. [EDIT] GCEFG left today to BOM. GSM have 1 767 again... that was quick, Air India must be paying A LOT!
Then they'll be back to square 1. Delayed long hauls, which effect the short hauls as they use short haul A/C to operate long haul routes.
The Boston route will be operated by the two 737-700's that they have. One of them is in ABZ and the other usually operates GLA-BCN.
PS - Regarding seat pre-booking. GSM have a habbit of changing A/C and routes. If you pre-book a seat then you may find yourself in a different seat, as it may be a different A/C than what was planned. There have been a few people reporting that they haven't received refunds, some that got their money back had to wait weeks after constant phone calls and providing their boarding cards etc.
The first day the NEOS 767 operated, it was delayed in GLA. This was because GSM ops didn't realise the catering equipment was different on this a/c than their other 767's. I believe it was only an hour delay, with 30 minutes made up in BFS.
If one of these A/C go tech, which isn't rare, you will be flying on a 738. The last time this happened, the crew that were flying were not ETOPS trained, only some of the ETOPS equipment was not fitted (no rafts) and the crew had to dress up as pax to go through cutstoms. This is not a rumour! It happened!
The NEOS 767 has a buisness class and economy class seating. However, they provide a 'premium economy' service to the first class pax. There are roughly about 10 rows of buisness. The rest is economy seating with 2 different services; Economy / Premium-economy. I'm not aware of the pitches, but the Buisness Class seats are very generous, and of course, it's a NEOS crew, who are quite friendly and helpfull.
Another NEOS 767 is on it's way. It will be in GLA in roughly a weeks time. They're longhaul routes should hopefully be back on track... until their own 767 (GCEFG) Joins Papa Tango to operate Air India flights. [EDIT] GCEFG left today to BOM. GSM have 1 767 again... that was quick, Air India must be paying A LOT!
Then they'll be back to square 1. Delayed long hauls, which effect the short hauls as they use short haul A/C to operate long haul routes.
The Boston route will be operated by the two 737-700's that they have. One of them is in ABZ and the other usually operates GLA-BCN.
PS - Regarding seat pre-booking. GSM have a habbit of changing A/C and routes. If you pre-book a seat then you may find yourself in a different seat, as it may be a different A/C than what was planned. There have been a few people reporting that they haven't received refunds, some that got their money back had to wait weeks after constant phone calls and providing their boarding cards etc.
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Sadly GSMs product offering to Canada is uncompetitive with Zoom.
If you compare all factors including seat pitch in flight service and actual destinations flown to, I think that you will find yourself booking your ticket through Zoom not GSM. If you also then factor in all the current operational problems it’s an absolute “no brainer”.
You can’t offer one product, then deliver another and expect that a simple refund makes things alright.! BMI contributed to the failure of their Manchester-Dulles route by playing games like this.
If you compare all factors including seat pitch in flight service and actual destinations flown to, I think that you will find yourself booking your ticket through Zoom not GSM. If you also then factor in all the current operational problems it’s an absolute “no brainer”.
You can’t offer one product, then deliver another and expect that a simple refund makes things alright.! BMI contributed to the failure of their Manchester-Dulles route by playing games like this.
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I have to agree, I was going to book with GSM to YHM but found
a much better price flying direct/non-stop to YYZ, this was with
Canadianaffars, flight is with MYT, on a A330, full service and before
Tax outbound £13.50 RTN was £43.50, Total cost pp £198.00
LGW-YYZ, I have to say I live near STN only 20miles away but decided
on LGW, about 60 miles away,GSM wanted alot more £££'s for a lesser service.
But I still have to say goodluck to GSM a very brave Airline
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a much better price flying direct/non-stop to YYZ, this was with
Canadianaffars, flight is with MYT, on a A330, full service and before
Tax outbound £13.50 RTN was £43.50, Total cost pp £198.00
LGW-YYZ, I have to say I live near STN only 20miles away but decided
on LGW, about 60 miles away,GSM wanted alot more £££'s for a lesser service.
But I still have to say goodluck to GSM a very brave Airline
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So ggspn is the business class section 2 2 2 formation on the neos 767? When you state a generous pitch what estimate would you give
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Skyman, the reason for the pitch question is GS were advertising 50" pitch seats which was the primary reason most of the business pax have chosen GS. They have now changed this to 'Generous' which can be as little as 32". The 757 has been confirmed as 38" with no confirmation as to what has been fitted to the Noes a/c. If you know the pitch of the pitch of the business seats, let everyone know.
Going by previous posts, it would now appear that the remainder of the seats have been left at 32" which means the PE pax wont be getting the extra legroom they are expecting on the 767 either..
Going by previous posts, it would now appear that the remainder of the seats have been left at 32" which means the PE pax wont be getting the extra legroom they are expecting on the 767 either..
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50 inch is roughly 5 feet? I don't think it's 5 feet. I know the seats can go right back and you can stretch your legs out. But 50 inches? Probably not. The next time I'm on board I'll see if I can get an accurate measurement.
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GGSPN, Any info you get would be helpful. Can you confirm that there are now 10 rows of business seats?. If yes, thats quite a change from the normal GS config with just 4. Jumping from 24 to 60 seats doesnt make the business experience quite as exclusive as the people paying for it will be expecting.
Very rough guide to seat pitch, if the seat is 50" you should be able to sit comfortably upright and stretch your legs out in front of you without the sole of your foot being able to touch the bottom of the seat in front. If it can, its not 50". with 38" the seat in front should hit your shin
Very rough guide to seat pitch, if the seat is 50" you should be able to sit comfortably upright and stretch your legs out in front of you without the sole of your foot being able to touch the bottom of the seat in front. If it can, its not 50". with 38" the seat in front should hit your shin
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Interesting info, ggspn!
Can I just ask for a confirmation - my understanding is that there is in fact no extra legroom for Premium Economy passengers over 'no-frills' Economy passengers?
I'm booked to fly into Calgary in July and then out of Vancouver, on Premium Economy, and am just interested to know whether I should be expecting the 34" legroom (as stated when I booked). I assume it will be this newly-delivered Neos 767 operating the route?
Cheers
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Can I just ask for a confirmation - my understanding is that there is in fact no extra legroom for Premium Economy passengers over 'no-frills' Economy passengers?
I'm booked to fly into Calgary in July and then out of Vancouver, on Premium Economy, and am just interested to know whether I should be expecting the 34" legroom (as stated when I booked). I assume it will be this newly-delivered Neos 767 operating the route?
Cheers
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back in March when we were making a booking for a flight to YYZ in July the adverstised premium economy seat pitch at globespanner was only one inch more that the standard seat. On checking their website yesterday I found it difficult to find detailed figures. All I could see was a reference to generous "seat pitch". As the competition was offering 36inches and still is we bought the tickets elsewhere. There were also plenty of other reasons to go elsewhere too, like actually flying to YYZ of course.
From what I have read here and elsewhere I am not sure why people are so supportive of an airline that clearly has such scant regard for its source of revenue (ie passengers). Mind you a certain Dublin based company seems to thrive on that.
From what I have read here and elsewhere I am not sure why people are so supportive of an airline that clearly has such scant regard for its source of revenue (ie passengers). Mind you a certain Dublin based company seems to thrive on that.
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Jumping from 24 to 60 seats doesnt make the business experience quite as exclusive as the people paying for it will be expecting.
There is presumably on your basis, a suggestion that if there were say only 4 rows in Premium Ecconomy then these are more 'Exclusive' and thus WILL be up to peoples expectations Seems that what is being marketed is the 'business experience' and if the service & comfort levels are present then I doubt whether there will be much concern as to how many fellow passengers are sharing the same experience.
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Where are you flying out from? It sounds like you may be booked on a NEOS 767. When was it booked? If it was some time ago, before they knew they were going to use NEOS A/C, you may be on a GSM 757.
GSM 767: Buissness, First, Economy.
GSM 757: Buisness, Premium Economy, Economy.
GSM 737: Economy...
NEOS 767: Buissness, Premuim Economy, Economy.
Premium Economy is economy seating, at the front, with a 'premium' service. Whatever that is.
GSM 767: Buissness, First, Economy.
GSM 757: Buisness, Premium Economy, Economy.
GSM 737: Economy...
NEOS 767: Buissness, Premuim Economy, Economy.
Premium Economy is economy seating, at the front, with a 'premium' service. Whatever that is.
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ggspan, I'm flying from Gatwick to Calgary.
And then back from Vancouver to Gatwick.
I guess it'll be on the Neos 767 - a 757 just doesn't have the range for these flights at all!!
Booked the flights way back pretty much when the route was first announced...
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And then back from Vancouver to Gatwick.
I guess it'll be on the Neos 767 - a 757 just doesn't have the range for these flights at all!!
Booked the flights way back pretty much when the route was first announced...
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Hi all, new to these forums!
How many 767's do globespan actually have? I was under the impression they must have 2 of their own? I know they have at least one cf6 away for overhaul just now, unscheduled AFAIK.
How many 767's do globespan actually have? I was under the impression they must have 2 of their own? I know they have at least one cf6 away for overhaul just now, unscheduled AFAIK.