Aer Lingus - 4
Found it here:
http://tinyurl.com/3azh9t
The most interesting piece in the article is the following:
DESTINATIONS INACCESSIBLE FROM SHANNON WITHOUT THE HEATHROW CONNECTION, ACCORDING TO THE ATLANTIC CONNECTIVITY ALLIANCE
North America Calgary Chicago Denver Halifax Los Angeles Mexico Montreal Ottawa Phoenix San Francisco Seattle Washington Edmonton St John's, Canada
South America Buenos Aires Rio De Janeiro Sao Paulo
Middle East Abu Dhabi Amman Cairo Damascus Jeddah Kuwait Riyadh
Asia Bangkok Beijing Colombo Delhi Hong Kong Kuala Lumpur Mumbai Osaka Seoul Shanghai Singapore Tokyo
Europe Casablanca Moscow Oslo Vienna
Africa Accra Cape Town Nairobi
South West Pacific Auckland Brisbane Melbourne Sydney
Considering that Chicago, LAX, SFO, Washington, Abu Dhabi, Oslo and Vienna already are (or are due to be) served from Ireland itself (and the EI Chicago flight starts from SNN!), either this is a somewhat contrived list or it was badly researched. Pretty-much all of the North or South American destinations could be reached just as easily by connecting in the USA and I would say that the remainder are almost all accessible through other European hubs such as Frankfurt or AMS.
http://tinyurl.com/3azh9t
The most interesting piece in the article is the following:
DESTINATIONS INACCESSIBLE FROM SHANNON WITHOUT THE HEATHROW CONNECTION, ACCORDING TO THE ATLANTIC CONNECTIVITY ALLIANCE
North America Calgary Chicago Denver Halifax Los Angeles Mexico Montreal Ottawa Phoenix San Francisco Seattle Washington Edmonton St John's, Canada
South America Buenos Aires Rio De Janeiro Sao Paulo
Middle East Abu Dhabi Amman Cairo Damascus Jeddah Kuwait Riyadh
Asia Bangkok Beijing Colombo Delhi Hong Kong Kuala Lumpur Mumbai Osaka Seoul Shanghai Singapore Tokyo
Europe Casablanca Moscow Oslo Vienna
Africa Accra Cape Town Nairobi
South West Pacific Auckland Brisbane Melbourne Sydney
Considering that Chicago, LAX, SFO, Washington, Abu Dhabi, Oslo and Vienna already are (or are due to be) served from Ireland itself (and the EI Chicago flight starts from SNN!), either this is a somewhat contrived list or it was badly researched. Pretty-much all of the North or South American destinations could be reached just as easily by connecting in the USA and I would say that the remainder are almost all accessible through other European hubs such as Frankfurt or AMS.
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Aer Lingus strike called off
Appears that Aer Lingus pilots have called off their 48 hour strike action and will sit down with airline management to seek a resolution to the chaos.
http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=84306&pt=n
Interesting also that Bertie Ahern publicly intervened today and that a group of civil servants are to assess the impact of the cuts at Shannon Airport and the local economy, and look at the options for air links out of the mid-west.
http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=84306&pt=n
Interesting also that Bertie Ahern publicly intervened today and that a group of civil servants are to assess the impact of the cuts at Shannon Airport and the local economy, and look at the options for air links out of the mid-west.
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FR increases EI shareholding
... to 29.4%
http://www.abcmoney.co.uk/news/202007121196.htm
What's his gameplan? No seat on the board either. One would think, after his plan to take control of EI was shot down by the EU, MO'L/FR would be looking to wind down the shareholding or get out, gradually, with a minimised loss. Interesting to see how this turns out ...
http://www.abcmoney.co.uk/news/202007121196.htm
What's his gameplan? No seat on the board either. One would think, after his plan to take control of EI was shot down by the EU, MO'L/FR would be looking to wind down the shareholding or get out, gradually, with a minimised loss. Interesting to see how this turns out ...
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FR increase shareholding
He's obviously trying to force EI to maintain SNN-LHR. He only needs another 1% of the shareholding to call an EGM. What his real motivation is nobody knows. I very much doubt thats its for the good of Shannon since only a few months ago he was declaring that he was happy to sell off most of the LHR slots. He can't increase his shareholding above 30% without having to bid for the company and the EU are already after blocking that so he can't really increase his shareholding any further.
If EI are forced to reinstate SNN-LHR is there anything to say they have to maintain the current frequency? I'd say we might see maybe a twice daily service with the slots taken from Dublin. The new LGW route from Dublin will make up for the drop in capacity, it has also been mentioned before that an A330 could operate a few of the DUB rotations. I can't see BFS-LHR being axed, it may however be reduced in frequency. One things for certain, Shannon will definitely be last in the pile for any new long haul routes. This has left a decidedly bitter taste in EI's mouth
If EI are forced to reinstate SNN-LHR is there anything to say they have to maintain the current frequency? I'd say we might see maybe a twice daily service with the slots taken from Dublin. The new LGW route from Dublin will make up for the drop in capacity, it has also been mentioned before that an A330 could operate a few of the DUB rotations. I can't see BFS-LHR being axed, it may however be reduced in frequency. One things for certain, Shannon will definitely be last in the pile for any new long haul routes. This has left a decidedly bitter taste in EI's mouth
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My earlier post #607 stated - 'jaw jaw is better than war war'.
Both sides deserve credit for coming back from the abyss.
Anyone who disagrees with the above is a walking disaster;
even perhaps a feckwit!
Both sides deserve credit for coming back from the abyss.
Anyone who disagrees with the above is a walking disaster;
even perhaps a feckwit!
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I'm wondering about his motive too and I really do wonder if it is to get EI to reinstate SNN-LHR. It was reported in the Tribune yesterday that a 75% majority vote is needed to reverse the SNN-LHR, rather than a simple majority (and he'd probably have a good chance at that). That said, if he does manage to achieve a 50% vote, it is a moral victory and he may see an advantage in humiliating/embarassing EI management.
However, there must surely be more to that, if he's willing to spend whatever he has spent (EUR37m?) on the increased shareholding? He's hardly spending that much just to embarass DM?!
Sometimes the whole EI/FR thing seems to me like a chess match between MO'L on the one side and the Great One (aka Bertie - "the most cunning, the most ruthless of them all", and CJH would know!) on the other - both schemers to leave Machiavelli in the shade, with DM/Aer Lingus little more than pawn in the overall game.
However, there must surely be more to that, if he's willing to spend whatever he has spent (EUR37m?) on the increased shareholding? He's hardly spending that much just to embarass DM?!
Sometimes the whole EI/FR thing seems to me like a chess match between MO'L on the one side and the Great One (aka Bertie - "the most cunning, the most ruthless of them all", and CJH would know!) on the other - both schemers to leave Machiavelli in the shade, with DM/Aer Lingus little more than pawn in the overall game.
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Can't believe there is any of the North American destinations mentioned without a 1-change option (i.e. same as LHR) via ORD, BOS or JFK, with the possible exception of YYT. Obviously the flight time to the US change would be 2.5-3hr hours shorter than going to LHR and tracking back.
[clickety...] Is CO still going through SNN? If so YYT can be accessed via EWR.
[clickety...] Is CO still going through SNN? If so YYT can be accessed via EWR.
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Originally Posted by Ryan2000
Aerlingus will become a basket case if this scenario develops. An airline run by Unions and its chief competitor. I can't see the Government allowing Ryanair to dictate in this manner.
The Government is a shareholder, just as Ryanair and Denis O'Brien are, and any shareholder is entitled to attempt to change the direction of a company if it is unhappy with the direction chosen by the company's management.
Fianna Fail are putting up this smoke screen of not wanting to interfere because they screwed the people of the Midwest. And it is looking like it was done deliberately as a sop to the Nordies.
Furthermore, what Mannion did was not only sneaky but snakey as well. If I were an AL pilot, I wouldn't turn my back on this rat for a second.
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What's his gameplan?
1. Call egm and increase stake in EI while share price is lower. Main purpose - to put Govt. in impossible position.
2. Do a behind-the-door-deal with Bertie and secure his long-desired low-cost terminal at DUB not operated by DAA nor SIPTU.
3. Withdraw egm request and let Bertie off the hook.
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Or....put forward a motion of no confidence in the CEO of AL and get him the boot. Thereby forcing AL to slow down its growth plans and taking its eye of the competition for a while.
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Fianna Fail are putting up this smoke screen of not wanting to interfere because they screwed the people of the Midwest. And it is looking like it was done deliberately as a sop to the Nordies.
Furthermore, what Mannion did was not only sneaky but snakey as well. If I were an AL pilot, I wouldn't turn my back on this rat for a second
Furthermore, what Mannion did was not only sneaky but snakey as well. If I were an AL pilot, I wouldn't turn my back on this rat for a second
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Disagree completely with the suggestion that all this move by Michael O'Leary is to stiffle EI's development. That would be an inefficient yield for the close on 500,000,000 euro investment. It is also too simplistic as the EU have ruled against Ryanair and it looks likely in time they will be forced to sell it. It is most likely to be to another airline and not to the market. There is a small chance a venture capitalist or a finance house will take it on. My prediction is an Asian airline will and then all the Heathrow slots will be transferred.
Thankfully the Atlantic Connectivity alliance has gone away and back to their industries that have pioneered development in the region. SAA have remained off the record largely leaving others go out and sling the mud and not in public criticise their second biggest customer.
The list of places not served does not stand up to scrutiny.
Those that checked out that can be connected in two segments from Shannon NOT through Heathrow
North America Calgary Chicago Denver Halifax Los Angeles Mexico Ottawa Phoenix San Francisco Seattle Washington Edmonton St John's, Canada
South America Buenos Aires Rio De Janeiro Sao Paulo
Europe Olso Vienna
To be checked out - many of these need three segments from SNN via LHR
North America Montreal Ottawa
South America
Middle East Abu Dhabi Amman Cairo Damascus Jeddah Kuwait Riyadh
Asia Bangkok Beijing Colombo Delhi Hong Kong Kuala Lumpur Mumbai Osaka Seoul Shanghai Singapore Tokyo
Europe Casablanca Moscow
Africa Accra Cape Town Nairobi
South West Pacific Auckland Brisbane Melbourne Sydney
Thankfully the Atlantic Connectivity alliance has gone away and back to their industries that have pioneered development in the region. SAA have remained off the record largely leaving others go out and sling the mud and not in public criticise their second biggest customer.
The list of places not served does not stand up to scrutiny.
Those that checked out that can be connected in two segments from Shannon NOT through Heathrow
North America Calgary Chicago Denver Halifax Los Angeles Mexico Ottawa Phoenix San Francisco Seattle Washington Edmonton St John's, Canada
South America Buenos Aires Rio De Janeiro Sao Paulo
Europe Olso Vienna
To be checked out - many of these need three segments from SNN via LHR
North America Montreal Ottawa
South America
Middle East Abu Dhabi Amman Cairo Damascus Jeddah Kuwait Riyadh
Asia Bangkok Beijing Colombo Delhi Hong Kong Kuala Lumpur Mumbai Osaka Seoul Shanghai Singapore Tokyo
Europe Casablanca Moscow
Africa Accra Cape Town Nairobi
South West Pacific Auckland Brisbane Melbourne Sydney
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Living in the past - Montreal via PHL or ATL, Ottawa via PHL or EWR. The Aus/NZ would be three segments via LHR so that's easier. For example there are plenty of connection options for AKL via DUB/LAX.
Moscow might be tricky to find an alternative one stop but t'were not so long since you could get a nonstop from Shannon-Moscow
Moscow might be tricky to find an alternative one stop but t'were not so long since you could get a nonstop from Shannon-Moscow
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On yesterday's RTE news an expert on the London Stock Exchange said that the Government should either buy Aerlingus back or let somebody else get on with the job.
Former state airlines pandering to local interest groups and their own workforce will not attract investment on the money markets.
An interesting article on todays Irish Independent says that the Shannon lobby's antics over the last forthnight will actually make airlines very reluctant to operate there as it makes the airport sound like a throw back to the past.
Those were the days when the public was being ripped off while airline employees and their families including their adult children were being carried for a nominal sum and more often than not ended up in business class if there was room.
It was good while it lasted but the ball game has changed and Aerlingus has a huge task if it is to survive.
Former state airlines pandering to local interest groups and their own workforce will not attract investment on the money markets.
An interesting article on todays Irish Independent says that the Shannon lobby's antics over the last forthnight will actually make airlines very reluctant to operate there as it makes the airport sound like a throw back to the past.
Those were the days when the public was being ripped off while airline employees and their families including their adult children were being carried for a nominal sum and more often than not ended up in business class if there was room.
It was good while it lasted but the ball game has changed and Aerlingus has a huge task if it is to survive.
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Yes, the days of the sheepskin coat brigade when the only people that could fly were doctors, lawyers and airline staff and the rest of the herd paying around IR£160 for a Cork-London around 1980ish. How much was fuel back then? Around $10-20 a barrel?
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When you look at the likely effect of FR's action, it's probably fair to say that this may be his gameplan. If the mgmt is defeated, or even made to look weak as a result of a close vote, it must also make it hard to attract investment. Weak EI surely in FR's interest, notwithstanding its large investment? Is this the long term goal; gradually, pythonlike, asphyxiating it to the point where only viable outcome is takeover by FR and MO'L effectively able to dictate terms?
I think, in fairness, EI realises those days are long gone; Ireland wasn't the only country in which air travel was seen as a luxury.
I think the one thing that irks me more than anything about DM's stewardship of EI is the handling of the DXB route; I'm hearing more rumours circulating that this is likely to be dropped (I'm hoping these are incorrect) in favour of a new US route. Of course, US expansion is to be welcomed, but frankly, if EI can't get DXB right, it might as well throw its hat at any further eastbound expansion.
Having been at EK, one might expect DM to have known value of good service, good product etc, yet we now have EI going back to "non- connecting" schedule, inconsistent service (2 acft with PTVs, two without) and failure - as far as I can see - to interline with EK; also reports of pretty poor treatment of pax on cancelled flights. With that kind of record, it's very hard to build a basis for growth; if EI is to expand east, it MUST be at the top of its game, because the quality of airlines in Asia/ME is far better. The reputation EI is creating for itself is one of a shoddy second-rater, which is clearly well short of its capability, but that kind of reputation, once it sticks, is very hard to shake (a bit like CI/KE on safety). Get the product right straight away, or have to invest much more to shake off a bad reputation.
Compare what Etihad is doing on AUH to what EI has done on DXB; EY has recently added two more wkly flights; could EI not have done that, if it got things right first time? If EI were incapable of getting things right, I wouldn't mind so much, but their performance re DXB has been well short of their best. If the route is going to be axed, serious questions need to be asked.
I think, in fairness, EI realises those days are long gone; Ireland wasn't the only country in which air travel was seen as a luxury.
I think the one thing that irks me more than anything about DM's stewardship of EI is the handling of the DXB route; I'm hearing more rumours circulating that this is likely to be dropped (I'm hoping these are incorrect) in favour of a new US route. Of course, US expansion is to be welcomed, but frankly, if EI can't get DXB right, it might as well throw its hat at any further eastbound expansion.
Having been at EK, one might expect DM to have known value of good service, good product etc, yet we now have EI going back to "non- connecting" schedule, inconsistent service (2 acft with PTVs, two without) and failure - as far as I can see - to interline with EK; also reports of pretty poor treatment of pax on cancelled flights. With that kind of record, it's very hard to build a basis for growth; if EI is to expand east, it MUST be at the top of its game, because the quality of airlines in Asia/ME is far better. The reputation EI is creating for itself is one of a shoddy second-rater, which is clearly well short of its capability, but that kind of reputation, once it sticks, is very hard to shake (a bit like CI/KE on safety). Get the product right straight away, or have to invest much more to shake off a bad reputation.
Compare what Etihad is doing on AUH to what EI has done on DXB; EY has recently added two more wkly flights; could EI not have done that, if it got things right first time? If EI were incapable of getting things right, I wouldn't mind so much, but their performance re DXB has been well short of their best. If the route is going to be axed, serious questions need to be asked.
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The article in the independent was a load of balony. Simply because, it makes out that the airport is whinging, when in fact it is not. The SAA have in fact said nothing (public at least), all they offered was reduction in costs and so on.
Why an airline would consider how fiery the locals are when choosing a new airport, I really dont know.
Why an airline would consider how fiery the locals are when choosing a new airport, I really dont know.