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Maxalt
Please dont diss Ryanair's low prices, I just booked
STN-PMI mid Jun for a total of £16.55 rtn (inc all taxes/charges).
And before you get on your high horse, they were the dates
I wanted to travel and the Dep/Arr times are perfect.
STN-PMI mid Jun for a total of £16.55 rtn (inc all taxes/charges).
And before you get on your high horse, they were the dates
I wanted to travel and the Dep/Arr times are perfect.
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MAXALT - YOU SAY,The 'average fares' quoted by the likes of O'Leary should be taken with a pinch of salt, just like everything else he says. He doesn't include all his extras. Its a meaningless figure.
I think you will find that EI do not include all the extras also.
(EI)
LHR-ORK 24AUG 2007 advertised at £29.00
ORK-LHR 26AUG 2007 advertised at £29.00
total at booking £105.91, you do the math.
(FR)
STN-ORK 24AUG 2007 advertised at £2.99
ORK-STN 24AUG 2007 advertised at £2.99
total at booking £44.94.
And yes the dates are what I wanted (going to a wedding).
you need to get your facts right before slagging of other airlines
I think you will find that EI do not include all the extras also.
(EI)
LHR-ORK 24AUG 2007 advertised at £29.00
ORK-LHR 26AUG 2007 advertised at £29.00
total at booking £105.91, you do the math.
(FR)
STN-ORK 24AUG 2007 advertised at £2.99
ORK-STN 24AUG 2007 advertised at £2.99
total at booking £44.94.
And yes the dates are what I wanted (going to a wedding).
you need to get your facts right before slagging of other airlines
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I'm with maxalt on this one. Quoting 2 specific FR fares is totally meaningless. I can easily sit here and find 2 specific fr, or any other airlines, fares on a day I want to go somewhere that would appear expensive.
As maxalt says, the public only want a cheap headline fare. In this, the great unwashed are essentially stupid*. They only care about the headline fare, not the total actual cost, and, oftentimes, the penalties involved in cheaper fares, such as out of the way airports, the appalling fr service, poor times etc. EI is merely responding to the (false) perceptions of whats cheap that the public has. Its human nature to fasten on to the numbers in big print and ignore the final figure, particularly if the final number is less palitable.
People also like to boast about how little they paid, although of course they didn't pay that little, as they neglect to mention all the extras. They will never admit that they paid FR extortionate money for a fare, which is what a whole lot of FR fares are.
The reason EI cost a little more is that you will get looked after better. I have seen it as a pax on EI what the service level is, both if all is well, and particularly if it all goes wrong.
On FR on the other hand, in all honesty I couldn't give a flying f##k what inconvenience the pax suffer if we have a problem. Why? Becuase the company don't care about me, you or anyone else, so why should I put any effort in for no thanks whatsoever? If you fly FR, thats your problem, not mine. My advice to pis$ed off pax: fly with someone else.
* - before you all start shouting at me, some pilots suffer this problem too. For example anyone that voted for frs new 4 year deal ignored the small print, which is that the whole thing is a pay cut.
DONTTELLTHEPAX - your so-called facts are utterly meaningless
As maxalt says, the public only want a cheap headline fare. In this, the great unwashed are essentially stupid*. They only care about the headline fare, not the total actual cost, and, oftentimes, the penalties involved in cheaper fares, such as out of the way airports, the appalling fr service, poor times etc. EI is merely responding to the (false) perceptions of whats cheap that the public has. Its human nature to fasten on to the numbers in big print and ignore the final figure, particularly if the final number is less palitable.
People also like to boast about how little they paid, although of course they didn't pay that little, as they neglect to mention all the extras. They will never admit that they paid FR extortionate money for a fare, which is what a whole lot of FR fares are.
The reason EI cost a little more is that you will get looked after better. I have seen it as a pax on EI what the service level is, both if all is well, and particularly if it all goes wrong.
On FR on the other hand, in all honesty I couldn't give a flying f##k what inconvenience the pax suffer if we have a problem. Why? Becuase the company don't care about me, you or anyone else, so why should I put any effort in for no thanks whatsoever? If you fly FR, thats your problem, not mine. My advice to pis$ed off pax: fly with someone else.
* - before you all start shouting at me, some pilots suffer this problem too. For example anyone that voted for frs new 4 year deal ignored the small print, which is that the whole thing is a pay cut.
DONTTELLTHEPAX - your so-called facts are utterly meaningless
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camelhair
The flights I talk about are real flights that have been booked,
I have not spent hours looking for the best price to make a point,
and as I said the dates had to be them dates.
You say my comments are meaningless, I should point out that
the comments I made where in response to comment made by others
on here, Read below.
The 'average fares' quoted by the likes of O'Leary should be taken with a pinch of salt, just like everything else he says. He doesn't include all his extras. Its a meaningless figure.
As in my last post EI show lower prices and then add taxes/charges at
the point of conformation just like FR, so using the above he has
contradicted himself, simple as
.
I am not Pro any airline, I use alot of airlines approx four flights a month
Worldwide and with-in Europe, but it looks to me by your RANT that
you have one airline in your head and thats how it will stay.
So to end, not meaningless, just making an point.
CAMELHAIR - seen you list of posts, abit of anti Ryanair going on
so no wonder you agree with MAXALT on this one
.
I have not spent hours looking for the best price to make a point,
and as I said the dates had to be them dates.
You say my comments are meaningless, I should point out that
the comments I made where in response to comment made by others
on here, Read below.
The 'average fares' quoted by the likes of O'Leary should be taken with a pinch of salt, just like everything else he says. He doesn't include all his extras. Its a meaningless figure.
As in my last post EI show lower prices and then add taxes/charges at
the point of conformation just like FR, so using the above he has
contradicted himself, simple as
.I am not Pro any airline, I use alot of airlines approx four flights a month
Worldwide and with-in Europe, but it looks to me by your RANT that
you have one airline in your head and thats how it will stay.
So to end, not meaningless, just making an point.
CAMELHAIR - seen you list of posts, abit of anti Ryanair going on
so no wonder you agree with MAXALT on this one
.
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DONTTELLTHEPAX - Sigh, ok so it worked out better for you, on that day, for that flight, for those destinations.
For every one of those days, EI probably has another fare that is better than FR. I heard far too many people say the same thing onboard - that "this flight was XX euros cheaper than Ryanair".
It's a boring argument.
However as much as I HATE the way EI are now following FR down the "charge for everything" route, I have to say SOD the general public. You voted with your feet and tolerated scummy planes, rude staff, remote airports, bad facilities, no support, no refunds, no food, no water, no flexibility, no disabled persons allowed, no courtesy, NO SELF RESPECT for the cheap price of 1euro, plus god knows how much extra on stealth taxes.
WELL DONE. You've all backed yourselves into a corner and it's going to COST you to change it again.....penny wise pound foolish I'd say.
I'm delighted that the cash is going into EI's pockets directly. Great for the share price.....
As for CamelhAir - my gut tells me he's a FR pilot. A smart one at that who can see the problems at FR and is trying to do something about it RE: REPA. Good man.
(Hardly ANTI-Ryanair I'd say?!)
For every one of those days, EI probably has another fare that is better than FR. I heard far too many people say the same thing onboard - that "this flight was XX euros cheaper than Ryanair".
It's a boring argument.
However as much as I HATE the way EI are now following FR down the "charge for everything" route, I have to say SOD the general public. You voted with your feet and tolerated scummy planes, rude staff, remote airports, bad facilities, no support, no refunds, no food, no water, no flexibility, no disabled persons allowed, no courtesy, NO SELF RESPECT for the cheap price of 1euro, plus god knows how much extra on stealth taxes.
WELL DONE. You've all backed yourselves into a corner and it's going to COST you to change it again.....penny wise pound foolish I'd say.
I'm delighted that the cash is going into EI's pockets directly. Great for the share price.....
As for CamelhAir - my gut tells me he's a FR pilot. A smart one at that who can see the problems at FR and is trying to do something about it RE: REPA. Good man.
(Hardly ANTI-Ryanair I'd say?!)
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It seems to me that most people on here are stuck in the past,
the days when only the rich and lucky were the only people to
board an aircraft.
What do people need on a 1 or 2 hour flight, Times have changed
people just want to get from A-B for little money.
We must start to understand an aircraft is little more than a bus
in the air, The pilots are just well paid drivers.
the passengers only need a saver ticket to get them to where
they want to go.
Anyone out there cant or wont change with the times need
to work or travel with the likes of Maxjet or Eos to name but two of
the up market carriers.
People normaly moan when prices go up not when they fall
http://www.easier.com/view/Travel/Fl...le-107855.html
the days when only the rich and lucky were the only people to
board an aircraft.
What do people need on a 1 or 2 hour flight, Times have changed
people just want to get from A-B for little money.
We must start to understand an aircraft is little more than a bus
in the air, The pilots are just well paid drivers.
the passengers only need a saver ticket to get them to where
they want to go.
Anyone out there cant or wont change with the times need
to work or travel with the likes of Maxjet or Eos to name but two of
the up market carriers.
People normaly moan when prices go up not when they fall
http://www.easier.com/view/Travel/Fl...le-107855.html
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We must start to understand an aircraft is little more than a bus
in the air,
in the air,
The pilots are just well paid drivers.
A smart one at that who can see the problems at FR and is trying to do something about it RE: REPA
Anyway, the problems behind the (admittedly rather grubby) exterior of ryanair are so far beyond the comprehension of most of our blissfully unaware pax and assorted spotters that, as this is a spotters forum I think, I will bow out of this argument and return to the serious issues at Terms and Endearments.
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Many people in this thread seems to be underestimating the intelligence of passengers. Obviously if Ryanair adverises a price of €0.01 it is understood we will have to pay a lot more. When we get to the stage where the full price is shown, we can either accept it, decline to travel or use another airline if possible.
Vague insinuations about Ryanair ('if you only know what goes on behind the scenes') that have appeared on this thread should remain just that, or, if backed up by evidence, should, as a matter of duty, be reported to the appropriate authorities.
Vague insinuations about Ryanair ('if you only know what goes on behind the scenes') that have appeared on this thread should remain just that, or, if backed up by evidence, should, as a matter of duty, be reported to the appropriate authorities.
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Vague insinuations about Ryanair ('if you only know what goes on behind the scenes') that have appeared on this thread should remain just that, or, if backed up by evidence, should, as a matter of duty, be reported to the appropriate authorities
Yeah. Right.
The idiots are taking over this asylum.
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After seven years living in Paris, I have exclusively travelled EI when returning to Ireland over the last four years. Yes, on average FR is cheaper but they have different pricing structures - I find EI often cheaper months before the flight, FR usually cheaper closer to the travel date. Aside from that, with EI I have greater peace of mind, better cabin service, better cabin crew, allocated seating, cleaner and more comfortable aircraft (IMO), and closer airport that is cheaper and more convenient to travel to and has more facilities. There is a reason why many Irish ex-pats in Paris refer to Fr as "Low-Lifer Airlines".
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So I see that the DAA are to sponge off the new Check In Area 14 in the dungeon to EI after what was intended to be an FR facility.
So can anyone hazard a guess as to which routes are going to be down in the dungeon????
So can anyone hazard a guess as to which routes are going to be down in the dungeon????
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Its no guessing matter. According to today's Independent area 14 will be used for EI's US, other long haul and LHR plus some UK regional departures.
Perhaps someone in DUB will give us the finer details.
Perhaps someone in DUB will give us the finer details.
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I travel to heathrow twice a week at the moment with EI/BD and all I can say is that this is going to add to my frustrations of using Dublin Airport.
When I worked on the ground for EI we still had Area 9 down in the arrivals level which had its own problems such as a totally insufficient baggage system, freezing cold temperatures as a result of the doors out to the bus area, a single small narrow lift from Area 9 (beyond O'Briens) to the main departures area and a bloody long walk if you were departing from Pier B or C upstairs to security. Now it seems that things are just going full circle.
The last thing a passenger wants when they lug their baggage out of a car and onto a trolley is to fight through the crowds to get to a lift and descend three floors, they want the checkin desks to be just the other side of the entrance!
Oh well, dont we just love EI and the DAA!!!
When I worked on the ground for EI we still had Area 9 down in the arrivals level which had its own problems such as a totally insufficient baggage system, freezing cold temperatures as a result of the doors out to the bus area, a single small narrow lift from Area 9 (beyond O'Briens) to the main departures area and a bloody long walk if you were departing from Pier B or C upstairs to security. Now it seems that things are just going full circle.
The last thing a passenger wants when they lug their baggage out of a car and onto a trolley is to fight through the crowds to get to a lift and descend three floors, they want the checkin desks to be just the other side of the entrance!
Oh well, dont we just love EI and the DAA!!!
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Aer Lingus to BKK?
Apparently, EI has obtained slots at the new BKK Airport; anyone heard more on this. Not sure if it's going to be operated n/s or via DXB. Can the 332 do BKK-DUB n/s with a decent load?
Current plans for this Winter call for 45 weekly flights*, which is fine for seven aircraft, but another aircraft will be required if they are to add BKK.
(*Interestingly, although 3 new n/s destinations are being added for the Winter, BOS is still being operated via SNN.)
Current plans for this Winter call for 45 weekly flights*, which is fine for seven aircraft, but another aircraft will be required if they are to add BKK.
(*Interestingly, although 3 new n/s destinations are being added for the Winter, BOS is still being operated via SNN.)
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BKK-DUB great circle distance is 5339nm. Add 10% for a real world routing, and 10% for wind , would be more like 6460 nautical AIR miles.
I think the longest A330-200 route currently is Air France CDG to Sao Paulo, 5065 nm great circle. Over Ocean too so more direct. An EI service from BKK to DUB would be THE longest A330 flight.
BKK-DUB flight time could be around 14 hours for a A330 in the winter. Airbus claim it can do 6750nm with max passengers (no cargo). It would be very tight.
So to answer you question, yes it could be done but taking a large payload hit (no cargo). I doubt this would be very profitable with low yield passengers, compared to US routes.
However I have seen a Mytravel charter A330 in BKK, don't know where this came from , maybe Germany? Closer and no cargo!!
In my opinion the runway length at DUB is the critical factor for direct viable flights to the far east, which unfortunatly rules out the otherwise perfect-fit A340-300. Only the new short fuselage , long range 787 could get max payload to the far east year round from DUB. Not sure about the A350XWB but this is years away!
The 777 would be better suited than the A330-200 too, especially the BKK-DUB leg in winter with a full load.
I think the longest A330-200 route currently is Air France CDG to Sao Paulo, 5065 nm great circle. Over Ocean too so more direct. An EI service from BKK to DUB would be THE longest A330 flight.
BKK-DUB flight time could be around 14 hours for a A330 in the winter. Airbus claim it can do 6750nm with max passengers (no cargo). It would be very tight.
So to answer you question, yes it could be done but taking a large payload hit (no cargo). I doubt this would be very profitable with low yield passengers, compared to US routes.
However I have seen a Mytravel charter A330 in BKK, don't know where this came from , maybe Germany? Closer and no cargo!!
In my opinion the runway length at DUB is the critical factor for direct viable flights to the far east, which unfortunatly rules out the otherwise perfect-fit A340-300. Only the new short fuselage , long range 787 could get max payload to the far east year round from DUB. Not sure about the A350XWB but this is years away!
The 777 would be better suited than the A330-200 too, especially the BKK-DUB leg in winter with a full load.
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I'm sure they would want to carry freight; BKK is a very useful freight hub for Asia (although HKG would have been better), so basically, they're down to a choice of 777s or A340s and as you say, the latter - thanks to the DAA's lack of foresight (not to mention obstinate refusal to even consider a runway extension) - is out. Pity, because although EI probably prefers the 777 as an aircraft, I'm sure it would prefer to take A340s, given their commonality with the A320/330 fleets; much easier to integrate? (Mind you, perhaps Boeing might be able to supply a few 777s, if EI chooses the '87?)
Even if the DAA were to consider an extension, how long would it take - their argument would probably be that between the planning and all the various procedures, it wouldn't be possible much before the parallel runway is open, so let's just wait for 2012, when the new runway is open. So, five years before EI (let alone, DUB itself) can gain nonstop access to the far east. I sincerely hope someone raises the issue of DUB Airport in the upcoming election.
Even if the DAA were to consider an extension, how long would it take - their argument would probably be that between the planning and all the various procedures, it wouldn't be possible much before the parallel runway is open, so let's just wait for 2012, when the new runway is open. So, five years before EI (let alone, DUB itself) can gain nonstop access to the far east. I sincerely hope someone raises the issue of DUB Airport in the upcoming election.