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Gagging for the chance of local base at Cork? Well, then, get on with it! How long has the story of a Cork base been doing the rounds now? Bring down an A330 base while you are at it and we will all go to New York for some Christmas shopping! One place where we wont be going for some seasonal shopping is Manchester. That turned out to be a right dog's dinner.
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In fairness with 4 320's based at Cork a pilot base there would surely be more cost effective.
The novelty of staying in good hotels wears off very quickly so I don't think the crews would shed any tears if their overnights in Cork came to an end.
I'm more concerned about making sure that 4 320's continue to be based in Cork. In fact EI are considering basing a 5th here when the fleet expands but the cost of hotels must be a negative factor.
The novelty of staying in good hotels wears off very quickly so I don't think the crews would shed any tears if their overnights in Cork came to an end.
I'm more concerned about making sure that 4 320's continue to be based in Cork. In fact EI are considering basing a 5th here when the fleet expands but the cost of hotels must be a negative factor.
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From what I hear it could be 3 for the winter.
Stupid country that we live in means the new terminal is in Cork of the shocking location, the only real runway is in Shannon of the no traffic and the business is in Dublin of the short runway and tiny terminal. Great little country and as for Tom the Talker somehow suggesting that cockpit crew allowances are to blame.
Stupid country that we live in means the new terminal is in Cork of the shocking location, the only real runway is in Shannon of the no traffic and the business is in Dublin of the short runway and tiny terminal. Great little country and as for Tom the Talker somehow suggesting that cockpit crew allowances are to blame.
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Between hotels, transfers etc. it's going to be costing at least E1,000 per day and quite probably a significant amount more then that. That has to have an impact on the viability of some of the more marginal routes out of Cork.
Also, in an airline that is supposed to be cutting costs, it's a pretty easy one to target.
Also, in an airline that is supposed to be cutting costs, it's a pretty easy one to target.
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1000 euro per day? Viability? Let's see. 4 aircraft with 200(ish) seats each doing 8 sectors per day works out at 15(ish) cents per seat. How significant is that in terms of viability? How does it compare with 50 million (so far) for the advisors in the flotation? Oh, sorry, I forgot. That was for accountants and they're worth it.
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E1,000 per day is a very conservative estimate. I'd expect it to be more than double that, but in the absence of exact figures I'd gone for what was the lowest possible.
A better way to think of it is in terms of the cost per flight. Cork-based aircraft operate 12 return trips per day. So, the cost is a minimum of E40 per leg. Considering there are other overheads involved in passenger transportation, it means that at least another 2 or 3 passsengers per flight are required to make a route viable. It's not many, but on a marginal route, it can be enough to make a difference.
I don't think a comparison can be drawn with the cost of the advisers used to oppose the takeover. Certainly, their fees seem high, but it should hopefully be a one-off expense.
BTW An A320 in the Aer Lingus configuration has 174 seats.
A better way to think of it is in terms of the cost per flight. Cork-based aircraft operate 12 return trips per day. So, the cost is a minimum of E40 per leg. Considering there are other overheads involved in passenger transportation, it means that at least another 2 or 3 passsengers per flight are required to make a route viable. It's not many, but on a marginal route, it can be enough to make a difference.
I don't think a comparison can be drawn with the cost of the advisers used to oppose the takeover. Certainly, their fees seem high, but it should hopefully be a one-off expense.
BTW An A320 in the Aer Lingus configuration has 174 seats.
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EI & cork base
Have been reading so much about EI and a base and cost of hotels and other related charges. I would suggest that if EI had a priority about Cork it would have a crew base there by now.
I feel that Aer Lingus are now focusing on their to be announced bases and Cork wont see much in the way of EI growth in the coming few seasons. Moreover, i am sure they are fearful to invest to heavily on expansion there when the charges may spiral depending on the outcome of the debt issue. Or whats the latest on this ?
I feel that Aer Lingus are now focusing on their to be announced bases and Cork wont see much in the way of EI growth in the coming few seasons. Moreover, i am sure they are fearful to invest to heavily on expansion there when the charges may spiral depending on the outcome of the debt issue. Or whats the latest on this ?
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Moreover, i am sure they are fearful to invest to heavily on expansion there when the charges may spiral depending on the outcome of the debt issue. Or whats the latest on this?
http://www.rte.ie/business/2007/0509/cork.html
I still think Cork Airport should insist on paying zero euro, but then I care about the airport.
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New A320 announced by ILFC
http://209.51.142.90/~ilfc01/viewArticle.php?id=113
ILFC has announced that EI has signed a lease for a new 320, for delivery next June, for seven years. The next A320, to be delivered next week, will be from ILFC, plus another in November. There are also two more A320s coming on lease - one in June ('DVF) and another in December (?).
ILFC has announced that EI has signed a lease for a new 320, for delivery next June, for seven years. The next A320, to be delivered next week, will be from ILFC, plus another in November. There are also two more A320s coming on lease - one in June ('DVF) and another in December (?).
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Rumour has it that Aer lingus is looking at a UK base, possibly for the winter season - I would guess that could well be Manchester, which would mean they could operate aircraft to the likes of Cork from there.
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How many aircraft does Aer Lingus have based at Dublin?
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Deletes are taking place!!!
This is an anti-aircrew board. Plain and simple.
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Do you not think that in view of recent developments with regard to North-South co-operation that Aer Lingus would open up a base at Belfast. Given the gaps available from Northern Ireland it would probably suit the EI model, both from domestic, European and Transatlantic operations. I mean are there many options available from the likes of Manchester not already covered. From Belfast you could have Brussels, Frankfurt, Heathrow, a few East European cities. That would use 2 airbuses. Also flights currently operating form Dub via Shannon could be transfered from Dub to BFS. This would allow direct non-stop from Dub and still operate stop-overs at Shannon.
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Belfast
Belfast would only work if BA agree to a codeshare to Heathrow. Beyond Heathrow there is only limited scope for new routes. Belfast is already rather congested with Jet2, Easyjet and Flybe all having major bases. Brussels and Frankfurt are unlikely from belfast considering they don't operate to them from their current base at Cork (which will still be twice the size of the new base). As for starting US flights from BFS I'd say theres zero chance of that happening. They tried that before and it didn't work our. Anyway most of the people travelling through Shannon are coming from Dublin anyway. So if they pulled those flights there would be a lack of capacity from Dublin. The new planes are being used to launch the three new routes, and will not increase capacity on the existing routes, so if they want more direct flights from Dublin they will just have to cut the number of flights going through Shannon, perhaps reducing each to 4 weekly (although I wouldn't rule out a full pull out from Shannon).