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Originally Posted by vkid
it will be very interesting to see responses from people on here if or indeed when, (as many suggest) things change for Aer Lingus at Cork or Dublin.
IMO, a lot of the bitterness here towards the SNN stopover was justified but that is a seperate issue.
What if AL were to create a base in Frankfurt and wanted slots into LHR ? The odds have to be fairly short that the Cork slots would be next to go. And AL can take 3 of the Dublin slots as well, without the need for a board meeting.
If Mannion had his way, there'd be few (if any) slots from Ireland to LHR. He would be setting bases up in more lucrative countries. That is why the Government included clauses in the articles of association i.e. to protect our national interest. BUT THEY SCREWED UP !!!
We should all be supporting the mid-west on this one.
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Why the infatuation with LHR? Much nicer to go direct from DUB and hopefully ORK in time. Or else a more pleasant connection in AMS, FRA or DXB etc
Unlikely. EI operate to 17 other European destinations from ORK as opposed to 0 from SNN. It's a straight-forward strategic commercial decision to leave SNN to Ryanair and their incentives.
What would make more sense would be for EI to pull out of SNN entirely and move their current transatlantic flights to ORK and BFS, thus consolidating their operations on the island to 3 bases.
The odds have to be fairly short that the Cork slots would be next to go
What would make more sense would be for EI to pull out of SNN entirely and move their current transatlantic flights to ORK and BFS, thus consolidating their operations on the island to 3 bases.
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An escalating dialogue about an irrelevancy
Forget all the hot air about the Shannon Heathrow link. If Shannon develops itself properly not only will the fifty or so people reported to be losing their jobs be employed but many more will be too.
Forget campaigning to get the link to Heathrow re-established. It is gone and it will either be taken up by another airline in January or it will not. It may be taken up on a later date but then again maybe it will be not.
If all the hot air was channelled appropiately, it could have real effects. Suggest push to an improved direct rail service direct from Limerick to Cork and Dublin. Develop Shannon as a long haul hub.
There is not a lot of sympathy for Shannon nationally. Anyone who has had to do the stopover in Shannon in the good old days has little fond memories of that time wasted in that shabby airport with rude staff. Protectionism is not good for commerce. Protectionism is not good for development. Time to find good reasons why Shannon should exist. If it was closed down and ploughed over it would make a lovely nature reserve.
Forget campaigning to get the link to Heathrow re-established. It is gone and it will either be taken up by another airline in January or it will not. It may be taken up on a later date but then again maybe it will be not.
If all the hot air was channelled appropiately, it could have real effects. Suggest push to an improved direct rail service direct from Limerick to Cork and Dublin. Develop Shannon as a long haul hub.
There is not a lot of sympathy for Shannon nationally. Anyone who has had to do the stopover in Shannon in the good old days has little fond memories of that time wasted in that shabby airport with rude staff. Protectionism is not good for commerce. Protectionism is not good for development. Time to find good reasons why Shannon should exist. If it was closed down and ploughed over it would make a lovely nature reserve.
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Thanks for the correction
Thanks for the correction. Forgot about the link to Newark. 
There still is a good argument for a Belfast International to JFK New York. There is a potential role for Shannon here as an A330 base and possible SNN-BFS-JFK-BFS-SNN routing.
It [SNN-BFS-JFK-BFS-SNN] would also provide a nice link with the exciting new Belfast Heathrow flights proposed by Aer Lingus and a nice way for the people who previously used to fly direct to see some of the country. They didn't seem to mind when other people had to do it with the Shannon stopover.
It would also allow for continuity of cargo services until someone invents a road based cargo transporter to bring items to Cork like a lorry. It would also provide jobs for those who are genuinely going to suffer with the loss of the route. Job losses are always unfortunate.
There still is a good argument for a Belfast International to JFK New York. There is a potential role for Shannon here as an A330 base and possible SNN-BFS-JFK-BFS-SNN routing.
It [SNN-BFS-JFK-BFS-SNN] would also provide a nice link with the exciting new Belfast Heathrow flights proposed by Aer Lingus and a nice way for the people who previously used to fly direct to see some of the country. They didn't seem to mind when other people had to do it with the Shannon stopover.
It would also allow for continuity of cargo services until someone invents a road based cargo transporter to bring items to Cork like a lorry. It would also provide jobs for those who are genuinely going to suffer with the loss of the route. Job losses are always unfortunate.
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Re Quote"AL can take 3 of the Dublin slots as well, without the need for a board meet
"AL can take 3 of the Dublin slots as well, without the need for a board meeting."
It is clear that Aer Lingus see allocation of aircraft and allocation of slots as a role for executive management and issues with a wider implication like the purchase and leasing of new aircraft with the necessary financing are issues for the full board.
It is clear that Aer Lingus see allocation of aircraft and allocation of slots as a role for executive management and issues with a wider implication like the purchase and leasing of new aircraft with the necessary financing are issues for the full board.
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SNN-BFS- Destination Stateside
this type of flight will lead to a logistical problem. passengers on EI flights, ex DUB/SNN, landing in the US do not need to use passport control, due to the facility at snn or dub. pax from bfs would have to.
so really SNN-BFS-Anywhere in US wont work.
If BFS is not seen to be able to support stand alone T/A services with an
A330, then i guess it'll be BFS-SNN-USA, or BFS-DUB-USA.
Imagine having to use that " hole in the hedge " again EW. That i'm sure would be unbearable.
Guess you could always interline through LHR!
so really SNN-BFS-Anywhere in US wont work.
If BFS is not seen to be able to support stand alone T/A services with an
A330, then i guess it'll be BFS-SNN-USA, or BFS-DUB-USA.
Imagine having to use that " hole in the hedge " again EW. That i'm sure would be unbearable.
Guess you could always interline through LHR!
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Imagine having to use that " hole in the hedge " again EW. That i'm sure would be unbearable.
Guess you could always interline through LHR!
Guess you could always interline through LHR!
. I was just making sure that you were still there!
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Dermot Ahern, Fianna Fail TD and Minister has said that the Government will help snn to move on. Sounds like the compo is to be fixed up for the Beal Bochts in snn.
Let's hope they keep their promise and pay for the new Cork Airport terminal while they are at it and a few million as well to support a few more new routes! A CATIII would go down well also and 500 to 600 feet on the runway.
Cork Airport could then move on and away from snn.
Thanks very much, Dermot!
Let's hope they keep their promise and pay for the new Cork Airport terminal while they are at it and a few million as well to support a few more new routes! A CATIII would go down well also and 500 to 600 feet on the runway.
Cork Airport could then move on and away from snn.
Thanks very much, Dermot!
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where, pray tell, can one find the current allocations and timings for all Shamrock LHR slots ?
e.g
dub 0640
snn
ork
and the infamous continental lease ?
tried Google but no luck there,
e.g
dub 0640
snn
ork
and the infamous continental lease ?
tried Google but no luck there,
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Tom the Tenor, Cork has produced a land use plan for the airport. It includes the demolition of the old terminal, additional nose in parking stands on the site of the old terminal, a General Aviation Park and a parallel taxiway.
However there are no plans whatsoever for a runway extension or for a CAT3 ILS. Management are saying there is no business case for such measures.
There are also moves to dispose of land in airport ownership which has been deemed surplus to requirements, an incredible statement from an airport whose land area is far smaller than similar sized airports in other countries.
This could see the closure of Runway 25/07 which caters for only 2% of commercial movements at present but unlike 17/35 is capable of been extended to a size capable of catering for long haul business. Development near the perimeter of this runway would render it unusable and in the future a point accepted by Aer Rianta for many years
I find the current thinking very short sighted but that's the reality from the airport on the hill. Instead of focusing on Shannon the Cork media should look at happenings at their own airport.
However there are no plans whatsoever for a runway extension or for a CAT3 ILS. Management are saying there is no business case for such measures.
There are also moves to dispose of land in airport ownership which has been deemed surplus to requirements, an incredible statement from an airport whose land area is far smaller than similar sized airports in other countries.
This could see the closure of Runway 25/07 which caters for only 2% of commercial movements at present but unlike 17/35 is capable of been extended to a size capable of catering for long haul business. Development near the perimeter of this runway would render it unusable and in the future a point accepted by Aer Rianta for many years
I find the current thinking very short sighted but that's the reality from the airport on the hill. Instead of focusing on Shannon the Cork media should look at happenings at their own airport.