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I am finding this debate electric stuff, ladies and gentlemen.
It is all bubbling away right up to the surface in an almost unstoppable stream of rotting decay in the way our nation's air transport was staged managed for decades by shysters and gombeens in the airports, the governments, and semi-state companies.
They were all so full sure what a great job they were doing too and just how also they were so well rewarded for their precious life's work.
Look now at what it has come to! Chaos at our airports! Not one cent more of taxpayer's cash should be easily dribbled off to help prop up snn with a questionable LHR PSO - they have had millions and millions and millions of our forefathers cash all ready in handouts and all for what only to demand more and yet more again.
No.
It is now 2 am on Saturday and I am listening again to live RTE radio news and the Shannon Brass Band is still playing away! It is just mad, mad, mad.
It is all bubbling away right up to the surface in an almost unstoppable stream of rotting decay in the way our nation's air transport was staged managed for decades by shysters and gombeens in the airports, the governments, and semi-state companies.
They were all so full sure what a great job they were doing too and just how also they were so well rewarded for their precious life's work.
Look now at what it has come to! Chaos at our airports! Not one cent more of taxpayer's cash should be easily dribbled off to help prop up snn with a questionable LHR PSO - they have had millions and millions and millions of our forefathers cash all ready in handouts and all for what only to demand more and yet more again.
No.
It is now 2 am on Saturday and I am listening again to live RTE radio news and the Shannon Brass Band is still playing away! It is just mad, mad, mad.
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Originally Posted by CaptKremin
Anybody taking odds yet on how much longer Mannions tender as CEO will last?
But then, that isn't the issue.
The issue is that the articles of association did not tie A.L. down sufficiently so that moving slots from Shannon (and Cork and Dublin) to another A.L. hub, would require the ok of the government.
This is an almightly cock-up by Fianna Fail, GUBU proportions.
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what about bmi doing lhr-snn?
if snn came up with an attractive to offer or the irish government stepped with some support they have already said they would be interested. Just like the lhr-jer route.
if snn came up with an attractive to offer or the irish government stepped with some support they have already said they would be interested. Just like the lhr-jer route.
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It might be unlikely, though it may depend on whether they are up for a fight on the Belfast-LHR route. It may be a clever thing to do however. It isn't as if there would be any competition on the SNN-LHR route, so they could come out of it rather nicely.
For once in my life, I find myself in the unusual situation of saying that an Irish Government Minister (and a Fianna Fail one at that) is making some sense ...
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0811/aerlingus.html
Yesterday, one of the tourism grouping from the Shannon region was bemoaning the loss of the route stating that "34% of all tourists into the region use the route". Fine ... I can't confirm or deny that, but can ask ... of that 34% how many are flying directly from London and how many have connected through? Given the break down of Irish tourist figures I'd suspect the majority, by a long, long way originate in the London and SE England area, which is served by other links to the region and the airport.
As for business, having worked in management for a foreign multi national in Ireland, connectivity is an issue, but not a show stopper. Companies set up in remote areas here (as the company I worked for did) with no direct air link to their US parent, customers, the US in gerneral, the UK or even Dublin.
"Ireland plc" will lose some Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) anyway to the lower cost economies of Eastern Europe and Asia, not helped by the state of our infrastrure, be it roads, rail, airtransport, boradband etc, all of which, in parts, are little better than third world with no joined up thinking in terms of strategy.
Shannon Airport has lived a protected life for decades, wrapped up in the cotton wool of the transatlantic stop over and captitive customers and guaranteed revenue. Those days are gone, thank god, and if the airport wants to survive and the region wants to prosper then they have to drop the begrudging and moaning 'beal bocht' (poor mouth) attitude and start to present a positive, dynamic and problem solving attitude ... a complete opposite to the image being offered today.
No one wants to to business with people who only offer excuses for why it can't be doen and want a free ride.
Rant over ...
JAS
The Minister for Transport, Noel Dempsey, has been criticised for claiming that some people in the Mid-West region might be exaggerating the impact of the decision by Aer Lingus to end its Shannon to Heathrow service.
Yesterday, one of the tourism grouping from the Shannon region was bemoaning the loss of the route stating that "34% of all tourists into the region use the route". Fine ... I can't confirm or deny that, but can ask ... of that 34% how many are flying directly from London and how many have connected through? Given the break down of Irish tourist figures I'd suspect the majority, by a long, long way originate in the London and SE England area, which is served by other links to the region and the airport.
As for business, having worked in management for a foreign multi national in Ireland, connectivity is an issue, but not a show stopper. Companies set up in remote areas here (as the company I worked for did) with no direct air link to their US parent, customers, the US in gerneral, the UK or even Dublin.
"Ireland plc" will lose some Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) anyway to the lower cost economies of Eastern Europe and Asia, not helped by the state of our infrastrure, be it roads, rail, airtransport, boradband etc, all of which, in parts, are little better than third world with no joined up thinking in terms of strategy.
Shannon Airport has lived a protected life for decades, wrapped up in the cotton wool of the transatlantic stop over and captitive customers and guaranteed revenue. Those days are gone, thank god, and if the airport wants to survive and the region wants to prosper then they have to drop the begrudging and moaning 'beal bocht' (poor mouth) attitude and start to present a positive, dynamic and problem solving attitude ... a complete opposite to the image being offered today.
No one wants to to business with people who only offer excuses for why it can't be doen and want a free ride.
Rant over ...
JAS
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Aisle2c->My understanding is that the very late LHR-ORK will be replaced with a really early morning flight. The very late flight has always had the lightest loads and a constant complaint of London-based business travellers has been that it's impossible to get to Cork for before lunchtime (whether they wanted to get to Cork an hour before offices open may be another issue...). On the negative side for Cork, that would mean one less aircraft on the ground overnight, but it facilitates the changeover to the higher capacity A321s.
However, I thought this was coming in next summer and the date of October 28th would seem to be in line with the introduction of the winter timetable.
However, I thought this was coming in next summer and the date of October 28th would seem to be in line with the introduction of the winter timetable.
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CK - so far as I know Loganair don't operate to LHR, and Flybe sold their LHR slots a while back. If Flybe did have slots their EMB190s would probably have been a great fit - mop up the business traffic and let the leisure traffic use Stansted. As for the prop - having been on a Porter Q400 there's a lot to be said for them, as long as you can get people to try them.
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Just a Spotter, Dempsey is just trying to save his own neck. He is swimming in his own spin. This isn't just about SNN, it is also about Cork, as due to his government's f**k up, there is nothing to stop Aer Lingus moving ALL the Cork slots elsewhere as well. As we all know, Cork has never been spoon fed anything but we stand to lose out as well. To say it won't happen is a lie & naive, because there is nothing to stop it, if Aer Lingus want to.
The biggest issue is not really tourism, but business.
There is a reason why LHR slots are SO valuable you know !
The biggest issue is not really tourism, but business.
There is a reason why LHR slots are SO valuable you know !
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http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/bre.../breaking1.htm
The Department of Transport said Shannon is connected to three other London airports at Gatwick, Stansted and Luton. "In 2006, there were 157,000 roundtrip passengers between Shannon and Heathrow, with 75 per cent of those terminating their travel in London. For much of the catchment area of Shannon there are also alternative travel options from Kerry, Knock, Cork, Galway and indeed Dublin". Shannon now serves around 50 destinations directly, with a total passenger throughput of 3.6 million per year.
The Department added that Aer Lingus is putting into place an agreement with US carrier JetBlue allowing passengers travelling to and from Shannon to interconnect with services from over 50 cities in the US, Caribbean and Mexico.
"In practice this will provide a real alternative for passengers travelling between Shannon and North America that are now travelling via the UK".
The Department added that Aer Lingus is putting into place an agreement with US carrier JetBlue allowing passengers travelling to and from Shannon to interconnect with services from over 50 cities in the US, Caribbean and Mexico.
"In practice this will provide a real alternative for passengers travelling between Shannon and North America that are now travelling via the UK".
Most sources say there will be about 80,000 extra movements annually if mixed-mode is adopted; this would seem to equate to roughly 220 additional movements (takeoffs or landings) a day. It looks as if the method of allocating the extra slots generated has not been decided yet.
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Aer Lingus currently have a 22.10 flight coming back to Cork from LHR. It is still bookable online, into October and November. However, a colleague of my brother's who is going over for a football game at the end of October, and had booked his return flight, got a call from Aer Lingus today saying that the 22.10 flight is now cancelled. I think it is coming back Sunday October the 28th. Does anyone know what this about ? I'm a little suspicious considering the Shannon situation....
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Oil on troubled water
The Irish Examiner report today that there is an adjustment of the Cork Heathrow timetable with an earlier flight from Heathrow and four rotations a day on the route. It is perfect to pick up long haul and has flights nicely spread out over the 24 hours.
The Irish Examiner reports the following today -
Its new early-morning flight will operate Mondays to Saturdays and was available to book on the airline’s website yesterday from April 1, 2008.
The flight will leave London at 6.40am and touch down in Cork at 8am. Until now, the earliest Aer Lingus flight from Heathrow in to Cork was 11am.
I think it's wonderful. Problem solved. The much referred to businesses that are all leaving Shannon because of the move of flights can now relax. They have a better connection to Heathrow and they can drive down here to the larger centre of population. Better still, they are able to us, as many of us have had to do in a reverse direction, comfortable bus services laid on by Bus Eireann and Citylink. Aircoach cannot be too far behind.
I am not sure what the two letter abbreviations are for these operators which some who use this website are wedded to. Better not call them BE, CL or AC as they have all been bagged.
The Irish Examiner reports the following today -
Its new early-morning flight will operate Mondays to Saturdays and was available to book on the airline’s website yesterday from April 1, 2008.
The flight will leave London at 6.40am and touch down in Cork at 8am. Until now, the earliest Aer Lingus flight from Heathrow in to Cork was 11am.
I think it's wonderful. Problem solved. The much referred to businesses that are all leaving Shannon because of the move of flights can now relax. They have a better connection to Heathrow and they can drive down here to the larger centre of population. Better still, they are able to us, as many of us have had to do in a reverse direction, comfortable bus services laid on by Bus Eireann and Citylink. Aircoach cannot be too far behind.
I am not sure what the two letter abbreviations are for these operators which some who use this website are wedded to. Better not call them BE, CL or AC as they have all been bagged.
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Respone to Captain Kramer
KLM used to offer a Fokker 50 service into Heathrow in the 90s and early 00s. I am not sure what the current situation is. I remember one of them was involved in an emergency landing.
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From the Irish Examiner today"
"Two farming organisations have joined the campaign for the reversal of the decision to end the Shannon to Heathrow service.
Both the Irish Creamery Milk Suppliers Association and the Irish Cattle and Sheepowners Association have pledged to fight the restoration of the service.
The two associations have a combined membership of some 50,000 farmers."
Maybe Dempsey is onto something re the 'exaggerated' reaction comment!
"Two farming organisations have joined the campaign for the reversal of the decision to end the Shannon to Heathrow service.
Both the Irish Creamery Milk Suppliers Association and the Irish Cattle and Sheepowners Association have pledged to fight the restoration of the service.
The two associations have a combined membership of some 50,000 farmers."
Maybe Dempsey is onto something re the 'exaggerated' reaction comment!