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The longer Aerlingus dither about an overseas base the more likely they are to be outmanouvered.
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When can we expect to hear something about further short-haul fleet expansion? All sorts of rumours from more A320s to acquiring A318s or E190/195s have come and gone, but we're getting to a point where there aren't even that many A320s left to be delivered.
there aren't even that many A320s left to be delivered.
Certainly, something in the Regional Jet (RJ) space, such as 318's would open up some new airport pairings, like a return to London City ... but would the passanger numbers be there for smaller airports?
Perhaps sourcing a single asile that could TA from Cork or Belfast with half decent loads would be a better idea. Perhaps limited seating 320/321's with IFE.
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There are two A320s due for delivery in November ('DVH) and December (presumably 'DVI). I can't see A318s happening, but with the addition of a new hub, 319s could finally make an appearance.
The main reason I think that EI won't go any smaller than A319s (if it even goes that far) is that its relationship with RE could yield it access to smaller markets for which anything larger than 70-100 seats is overkill; RE has nine new AT7s on order (one already delivered) and these could be used to beef up services to regional destinations and help establish DUB as a viable hub.
It was suggested on another forum that the introduction of the new base might prompt EI towards a new narrowbody order within the next few months; I can see that happening, but I'd expect these aircraft to be used on longer rather than shorter routes. Bear in mind also that DM believes that EI has an advantage over FR on routes over 2hrs, so for new routes under 2h (and some existing routes, I'm sure), RE AT7s will probably be most likely.
It will be interesting to see if, in due course, RE complements the new EI hub with its own services?
The main reason I think that EI won't go any smaller than A319s (if it even goes that far) is that its relationship with RE could yield it access to smaller markets for which anything larger than 70-100 seats is overkill; RE has nine new AT7s on order (one already delivered) and these could be used to beef up services to regional destinations and help establish DUB as a viable hub.
It was suggested on another forum that the introduction of the new base might prompt EI towards a new narrowbody order within the next few months; I can see that happening, but I'd expect these aircraft to be used on longer rather than shorter routes. Bear in mind also that DM believes that EI has an advantage over FR on routes over 2hrs, so for new routes under 2h (and some existing routes, I'm sure), RE AT7s will probably be most likely.
It will be interesting to see if, in due course, RE complements the new EI hub with its own services?
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She is handsome, she is pretty ...
She is the belle of Belfast City ...
It now looks like it's going to be Belfast, with the first two routes likely to be BFS-LHR and BFS-BRU (the latter, dly exc. Sat). Two A320s to be based there, t/a likely to start next Summer.
It now looks like it's going to be Belfast, with the first two routes likely to be BFS-LHR and BFS-BRU (the latter, dly exc. Sat). Two A320s to be based there, t/a likely to start next Summer.
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how correct was the rocket !!!! watch for the checkin expansion new baggage tracks under the aliea shop extension off stands in the way off two southern piers like lounge 22 all to be in place by feb 2008
note this will push bfs into the 7 mill pax per year now any one worth there salt will no what that means for bfs. a proper airport at last for the ppl of ni
note this will push bfs into the 7 mill pax per year now any one worth there salt will no what that means for bfs. a proper airport at last for the ppl of ni
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how correct was the rocket !!!!
When do you think or know when an announcement is due. If they are to start in Nov, well we are about to hit Aug, the earlier the better one would think to fill seats.
When do you think or know when an announcement is due. If they are to start in Nov, well we are about to hit Aug, the earlier the better one would think to fill seats.
Reporting on EIN and Belfast in The Irish Examiner
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishex...949-qqqx=1.asp
Also Bloomberg are quoting the Sunday Times on the story .. it's right at the bottom
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...Tp0wg&refer=uk
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http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishex...949-qqqx=1.asp
Also Bloomberg are quoting the Sunday Times on the story .. it's right at the bottom
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...Tp0wg&refer=uk
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Pressure on Aerlingus to opt for Belfast must be huge. Political significance of this shouldn't be underestimated. Also Aerlingus have a 321 on ORK-LHR for winter 2007/8 on all 4 flights. This is a considerable increase in capacity.
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"Pressure on Aerlingus to opt for Belfast must be huge. Political significance of this shouldn't be underestimated"
I think that's very true; I would have expected BHX to be more attractive as a potential base; however, I think it's particularly significant that a lot of the political pressure and persuasion has come not necessary from the expected quarter (Bertie & Co.), but from the likes of Jeffrey Donaldson, in whose constituency BFS lies.
When you have a person like JD, who a few years ago would have been as likely to welcome EI to BFS as Pres. Ahmedinejad would be to welcome EL AL to Tehran, you can see how far things have advanced politically in NI. The very fact that there is political peace in NI will hopefully drive economic success and that can only help EI.
My concern is not about the political reaction in NI, but what MO'L and FR will do in response; was he serious about setting up a base at BHD?
"Pressure on Aerlingus to opt for Belfast must be huge. Political significance of this shouldn't be underestimated"
I think that's very true; I would have expected BHX to be more attractive as a potential base; however, I think it's particularly significant that a lot of the political pressure and persuasion has come not necessary from the expected quarter (Bertie & Co.), but from the likes of Jeffrey Donaldson, in whose constituency BFS lies.
When you have a person like JD, who a few years ago would have been as likely to welcome EI to BFS as Pres. Ahmedinejad would be to welcome EL AL to Tehran, you can see how far things have advanced politically in NI. The very fact that there is political peace in NI will hopefully drive economic success and that can only help EI.
My concern is not about the political reaction in NI, but what MO'L and FR will do in response; was he serious about setting up a base at BHD?
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- I think you would find that Jeffrey Donaldson would have welcomed EI to BFS at any time. I can’t actually remember the protests outside BFS from the DUP when EI flew there 6 years ago. Likewise I don’t think Sinn Fein have ever protested against British Airways flights in Northern Ireland.
- BFS is in South Antrim which is where William McCrea is elected, Jeffrey is Lagan Valley.
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was he serious about setting up a base at BHD?
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Waht kind of restrictions does the BHD r/w put on a 738? Is it the same as LDY? I would have thought that MOL would had gone for some 737-7s for use into smaller airports and not have those empty seats etc. 2 320s in Belfast. Now I hope they have sense and establish a base properly there and not be overnighting crews in Hotels there! Thats a total waste of money!
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Just looking on Aer Lingus website for something to do and came across a new route...
Considering Ryanair is trying to invest in Aer Lingus this will most likely put them down on there new Belfast destination because Aer Lingus will add a 4 times daily flight from Belfast City to London Heathrow... This might become intresting to Ryanair as a Belfast City to London Gatwick might have come around if they would have made a base there surely??...
This destination is due to start from Belfast City - Heathrow in October using a A320
Considering Ryanair is trying to invest in Aer Lingus this will most likely put them down on there new Belfast destination because Aer Lingus will add a 4 times daily flight from Belfast City to London Heathrow... This might become intresting to Ryanair as a Belfast City to London Gatwick might have come around if they would have made a base there surely??...
This destination is due to start from Belfast City - Heathrow in October using a A320
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BELFAST International Airport at Aldergrove has beaten off Birmingham to become a major new base for Aer Lingus.
An official announcement to this effect is expected during the first two weeks of August and sources indicate hundreds of new jobs will be created as the Irish national carrier expands its route network out of BIA. The first flights are expected to take off later this year and the airline will initially base two A320 aircraft at Aldergrove with speculation these will be joined by a third in 2008.
It is believed a major priority for Aer Lingus and BIA will be the re-establishment of a Heathrow service from the airport.
Indeed it has been reported this week such a service could start as soon as next month with four flights each way per day.
An official announcement to this effect is expected during the first two weeks of August and sources indicate hundreds of new jobs will be created as the Irish national carrier expands its route network out of BIA. The first flights are expected to take off later this year and the airline will initially base two A320 aircraft at Aldergrove with speculation these will be joined by a third in 2008.
It is believed a major priority for Aer Lingus and BIA will be the re-establishment of a Heathrow service from the airport.
Indeed it has been reported this week such a service could start as soon as next month with four flights each way per day.
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"This destination is due to start from Belfast City - Heathrow in October using a A320"
Are you actually reading this thread at all or just like the Ryanair thread making stupid guesses??
Aer Lingus will be flying out of Belfast INTERNATIONAL, not Belfast CITY.
P.S. My question from earlier was misunderstood. When EI set up the base in Belfast, will they do it right and make crews sort out own accommodation or will it be a costly hotel thing for them?
Are you actually reading this thread at all or just like the Ryanair thread making stupid guesses??
Aer Lingus will be flying out of Belfast INTERNATIONAL, not Belfast CITY.
P.S. My question from earlier was misunderstood. When EI set up the base in Belfast, will they do it right and make crews sort out own accommodation or will it be a costly hotel thing for them?
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Personally, I think the BFS base will be small. Most of the BFS-LHR flying can be done by ORK/SNN/DUB crews, as we all do London overnights anyway. Any Transatlantic will most likely originate in SNN, so will be crewed from SNN. The likes of BRU, CDG or AMS could also be flown by DUB/ORK crews, but will most likely be crewed by a small base in BFS. When DM announced they would launch a new European base, he said he would use the base to take advantage of local wage rates. BFS wage rates arent going to be that much lower than DUB/ORK etc, so I'd say the BFS will be followed by another base in Eastern Europe. I think theres also potential in BHX, so hopefully BHX follows!