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But be a slow news day on BBC Look East just seen the late news bulletin and they announced on there about LTN's new Windjet service!
Viewers must have thought it was a big announcement and that they are setting up a base and creating jobs for this to be in the news!
It rubs a bit of salt in STN's wounds I suppose, but they have gained one of two new services in recent months too, like the new Air Arabia LCC to Casablanca.
Viewers must have thought it was a big announcement and that they are setting up a base and creating jobs for this to be in the news!
It rubs a bit of salt in STN's wounds I suppose, but they have gained one of two new services in recent months too, like the new Air Arabia LCC to Casablanca.
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Aer Lingus aircraft 27/6/09
Hi folks,
Noticed an Aer Lingus aircraft taxiing onto Stand 48 this evening. Not seen one before at Luton.
Anyone know if this is a regular flight or just a one off ?
Thanks
Noticed an Aer Lingus aircraft taxiing onto Stand 48 this evening. Not seen one before at Luton.
Anyone know if this is a regular flight or just a one off ?
Thanks
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Hi there
The Aer Lingus flight was a diversion from Heathrow poss due to weather??
the aircraft then operated back empty to Belfast
Ref Windjet
Looks like the rumour is Servisair have the contract for them but looks like its been down graded to A319 and not A320 as advertised before
The Aer Lingus flight was a diversion from Heathrow poss due to weather??
the aircraft then operated back empty to Belfast
Ref Windjet
Looks like the rumour is Servisair have the contract for them but looks like its been down graded to A319 and not A320 as advertised before
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I had a close look at the drop off area today, which is becoming a pay zone on Wednesday.
It looks like there will be no barriers when cars come into the drop off area. Each lane has what looks like a small number plate reader which is around 3 ft off the ground. The coach lane attached to the drop off area does have a barrier with a buzzer entry system.
Each of the car lanes has a single exit barrier and what looks like a toll collecting station where money can be thrown into a shoot. Signs have been erected around the area that are covered in bin liners, these show a large £1 covering the top half of the sign. In much smaller writing there is a statement that reads that car users get 10 minutes of free parking. If they stay longer they will still pay a £1 charge to exit but a civil penalty of £80 will be sent out to car owners.
I can see many people being caught out by this charge if they don’t read and take in what is written particularly as they didn’t go through a barrier to get in and just sit in their cars waiting for passengers.
It would seem that the traffic lights will appear at a later date as the posts have still to be erected.
2 flashing signs with large arrows have been erected together with a yellow fixed sign that states that the midterm car park has 60 minutes of free parking for drop off and pick up. I didn’t see a single car enter or leave this car park for the 5 minutes I was watching.
It looks like there will be no barriers when cars come into the drop off area. Each lane has what looks like a small number plate reader which is around 3 ft off the ground. The coach lane attached to the drop off area does have a barrier with a buzzer entry system.
Each of the car lanes has a single exit barrier and what looks like a toll collecting station where money can be thrown into a shoot. Signs have been erected around the area that are covered in bin liners, these show a large £1 covering the top half of the sign. In much smaller writing there is a statement that reads that car users get 10 minutes of free parking. If they stay longer they will still pay a £1 charge to exit but a civil penalty of £80 will be sent out to car owners.
I can see many people being caught out by this charge if they don’t read and take in what is written particularly as they didn’t go through a barrier to get in and just sit in their cars waiting for passengers.
It would seem that the traffic lights will appear at a later date as the posts have still to be erected.
2 flashing signs with large arrows have been erected together with a yellow fixed sign that states that the midterm car park has 60 minutes of free parking for drop off and pick up. I didn’t see a single car enter or leave this car park for the 5 minutes I was watching.
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nt639, don't view this thread if anti-Stansted rhetoric upsets you.
Let us see who buys Stansted and when construction of Runway 2 commences?
My guess is that Runway 2 will still be fields and houses come the Olympics?
If Stansted was such a 'pull' why are potential suitors not lining up along the M11? BAA must be rather worried considering their business model is so 'levered'!
As for Luton, it has it's own problems!
Mango's?
Let us see who buys Stansted and when construction of Runway 2 commences?
My guess is that Runway 2 will still be fields and houses come the Olympics?
If Stansted was such a 'pull' why are potential suitors not lining up along the M11? BAA must be rather worried considering their business model is so 'levered'!
As for Luton, it has it's own problems!
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Buster The Bear,you are at times a quite naughty bear
.It is very plain (pun intended) to all, with your comments past and present that you are as green (envy green) as the backwoods you lurk in,with regard to the spaciousness
,the facilities and potential that Stansted has to offer ,envy green,envy green..You must really try and stay in your own small wood and not venture too far into the big hard wide world,you will not like what you see and the keepers will not be happy..B
.It is very plain (pun intended) to all, with your comments past and present that you are as green (envy green) as the backwoods you lurk in,with regard to the spaciousness,the facilities and potential that Stansted has to offer ,envy green,envy green..You must really try and stay in your own small wood and not venture too far into the big hard wide world,you will not like what you see and the keepers will not be happy..B
Where do the El Al 767s park? I ask because I think there was at one time a ban on 767s taxying to the main apron (stands 1R to 15L) under their own power - or has this now been relaxed?
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El-Al negotiated there own dedicated parking space with the airport. On the North apron i belive
With regards to B767 movements through the main apron the rule has now been relaxed and 767 movements can now do so under there own power under the guidance of a marshaller.
With regards to B767 movements through the main apron the rule has now been relaxed and 767 movements can now do so under there own power under the guidance of a marshaller.
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Park on the East Apron and the whole world can see El Al, which they don't like. Park on the North Apron and they are away from the majority of prying landside eyes.
I wonder who the Israeli government have upset to get them and their airline so paranoid about security
I was in the terminal a couple of Sundays ago minding my own business when one of the El Al workers came over and wanted to know what I was doing. Thinking to myself, what has it got to do with you, I said I was just passing the time of day. The next thing I know I am being questioned by armed police. I told them that I wasn’t going to be moved on by an El Al staff member working for a foreign government in my own country. The Old Bill were very nice but I was just glad I was not a Luton taxi driver.
I wonder who the Israeli government have upset to get them and their airline so paranoid about security
I was in the terminal a couple of Sundays ago minding my own business when one of the El Al workers came over and wanted to know what I was doing. Thinking to myself, what has it got to do with you, I said I was just passing the time of day. The next thing I know I am being questioned by armed police. I told them that I wasn’t going to be moved on by an El Al staff member working for a foreign government in my own country. The Old Bill were very nice but I was just glad I was not a Luton taxi driver.
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The new drop off charge applies today - 30 mins getting in this morning, police on approach saying it is better than normal - the 100yds road build up to the drop off slip being litttered with people dropping off that dont want to pay £1 - making the traffic worse - still it will all be better when the traffic lights arrive ..........
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I really can’t see that these traffic lights are going to help congestion. At the moment car park staff manually direct traffic out of the drop off area when required and do a fairly good job but the issue is the high volumes of traffic trying to get in to the drop off area and the staff car parks during the morning peak.
I can remember the total disaster when the council put traffic lights on the roundabout at the bottom of the hill. I can only remember them being switched on for 2 days out of the 18 months that the lights were in position. When the lights were on the tailback went all the way to the M1
I can remember the total disaster when the council put traffic lights on the roundabout at the bottom of the hill. I can only remember them being switched on for 2 days out of the 18 months that the lights were in position. When the lights were on the tailback went all the way to the M1
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You will be delighted to know that if you go on the National Express coach airline transfers page for Luton, an interactive Michelin map of Fabriano in Italy appears.
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LTN
Hello Muppets which includes Buster the ****,
Firstly LTNman has piped down when he actually took the time to visit
STN. I had inititally avoided responding to this thread, however . . .
My initial comments about the approch into LTN involved that if you get it wrong, ie 26, then you crash into a hill side, if you get it wrong on approach to STN, you can get away with it, LTN?! I vivadly remember a situation where one of my colleagues forgot the basics on a SAS charter flight and if things went horribly wrong and if the flight had been operating from LTN? I don't know?
Basically when you've got a 2 mile long runway you've got some slack, when you've got a runway that's not much longer that my drive, wake up!
I again vivadly remember some ABC crew that used to turn up from LTN on a Sat night for a newspaper run and moan, as anyone from LTN used to do! For f##ks sake Buster et all get over it! You can build a second runway at STN, there isn't a decent first runway at LTN
LTNMan's comments are positiive, even though there may be a vested
inerested, but you? STN IS Londons THIRD Airport, deal with it how you like, but deal with you must must, LTN, in spite of it's recent glory is subject o the same rules as every other Airport.
At the end of thebday, B7uster you
Firstly LTNman has piped down when he actually took the time to visit
STN. I had inititally avoided responding to this thread, however . . .
My initial comments about the approch into LTN involved that if you get it wrong, ie 26, then you crash into a hill side, if you get it wrong on approach to STN, you can get away with it, LTN?! I vivadly remember a situation where one of my colleagues forgot the basics on a SAS charter flight and if things went horribly wrong and if the flight had been operating from LTN? I don't know?
Basically when you've got a 2 mile long runway you've got some slack, when you've got a runway that's not much longer that my drive, wake up!
I again vivadly remember some ABC crew that used to turn up from LTN on a Sat night for a newspaper run and moan, as anyone from LTN used to do! For f##ks sake Buster et all get over it! You can build a second runway at STN, there isn't a decent first runway at LTN
LTNMan's comments are positiive, even though there may be a vested
inerested, but you? STN IS Londons THIRD Airport, deal with it how you like, but deal with you must must, LTN, in spite of it's recent glory is subject o the same rules as every other Airport.
At the end of thebday, B7uster you
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Here we go again 
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What are you on about? So how many aircraft have crashed into a hillside on approach to Luton in the last 60 years? Answer zero. Also that nice long runway didn't help that 747 that crashed on departure at Stansted a few years ago killing all onboard.
Just get over it, I guess by your boyish comments you are aged around 13.
Stansted is a fine airport, it is well laid out, has good facilities but is let down by its location and public transport links including its slow branch line rail service that hardily serves any London railway stations.
Just remember that Stansted was built for the major national carriers but they rejected the airport. Even now when a national carrier like El Al does try out Stansted they don’t stay long. It was Ryanair that saved the airport and years later without Ryanair Stansted would still be handling less passengers than Bristol and Liverpool. Stansted’s reliance on Ryanair is set to get worse as easyJet can’t make any money out of the Essex backwater and are reviewing their services out of the airport.
The bad news doesn’t end there. The last time I was working over Stansted I took a look at the aircraft parked around the executive terminal. Maybe I was there on the wrong day but it was clear the high flyers in their private jets don’t like Stansted as the apron was nearly empty.
Stansted will always handle more passengers than Luton unless Ryanair goes bust. It sits on a bigger site, has boring countryside that only a few local diehards would miss if and when they need to expand in the future. Am I bothered? No. Do I want a Stansted sized airport at Luton? No, as I like the county lanes, hedges, trees and the rolling hills.
Chopper69
My initial comments about the approch into LTN involved that if you get it wrong, ie 26, then you crash into a hill side, if you get it wrong on approach to STN, you can get away with it,
Basically when you've got a 2 mile long runway you've got some slack
Just get over it, I guess by your boyish comments you are aged around 13.
Stansted is a fine airport, it is well laid out, has good facilities but is let down by its location and public transport links including its slow branch line rail service that hardily serves any London railway stations.
Just remember that Stansted was built for the major national carriers but they rejected the airport. Even now when a national carrier like El Al does try out Stansted they don’t stay long. It was Ryanair that saved the airport and years later without Ryanair Stansted would still be handling less passengers than Bristol and Liverpool. Stansted’s reliance on Ryanair is set to get worse as easyJet can’t make any money out of the Essex backwater and are reviewing their services out of the airport.
The bad news doesn’t end there. The last time I was working over Stansted I took a look at the aircraft parked around the executive terminal. Maybe I was there on the wrong day but it was clear the high flyers in their private jets don’t like Stansted as the apron was nearly empty.
Stansted will always handle more passengers than Luton unless Ryanair goes bust. It sits on a bigger site, has boring countryside that only a few local diehards would miss if and when they need to expand in the future. Am I bothered? No. Do I want a Stansted sized airport at Luton? No, as I like the county lanes, hedges, trees and the rolling hills.
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Blimey,....Airport or "Hornets Nest" over there at Luton-on-The Hill....Facts LTN man...Facts please.The sad loss of the B747 was nothing to do with runway length,you should know much better than that and not invoke the tragic memory.A Fact though,-a 3mile runway is always safer than a 2mile runway.Fact..Approaches and rollouts to BOTH ends at Stansted are to use your description of the geography extremely benign..ie luvly jubly Essex landscape.Fact.. if the rail service to Stansted is so poor why do so many millions choose to use it each year,from by the way BOTH North and South .The last time I looked Stansted actually has the Station on site and with just a short escalator ride up TWO levels it is actually free to access the Terminal !!!Me thinks that the arrangement at Luton is a bit more cack handed...the so called Airport station is TWO miles down the hill and the passenger is actually charged for the privilege of riding to the Terminal to boot.. LOL...Fact..Yes Ryanair is Stansted`s largest customer and wouldn`t Luton just love to have 100 scheduled destinations by just one of the user airlines?..Fact,ermm yes,they would..Fact is that Luton does not have the space or infrastructure (now or planned)to handle that sheer volume.Fact..that is why Ryanair choose Stansted over Luton= Fact ,period.. Fact.. as with most Luton bods LTN man,you seem a wee bit obsessed with "biz jets".Stansted has not marketed itself in this area as a first priority,too busy at peak times,but Fact..Stansted is nominated by no less than President Obama as his Number One UK arrival Airport.The White House and American Secret Service greatly admiring the excellent facilities.Fact..Whilst not subjecting you to a "spotters list" of some of the varied movements this week amongst the corporate and Government Agency aircraft have been Saudi Arabia,Oman,Dubai,Qatar the USAF and US Coast Guard...I think they are voting for the facilities,don`t you.Oh and by the way some of the visiting aircraft have been a tad too large for the Airport-on-The Hill..Also Fact.. you conveniently omit to state LTN man, that Luton`s "biz" traffic has taken a hammering and is losing out badly to Farnborough nowadays too.Another Fact by the way,do some research, El Al have operated from Stansted for 32 years!!. PS enjoy your rolling hills and trees,LOL...we do have trees you know,oh and leafy lanes,deepest Essex is renowned for them and we do have a World Class Airport nestled amongst them too..Stansted is on record as one of the greenest Airports in the World.. B.
.Stansted has not marketed itself in this area as a first priority,too busy at peak times,but Fact..Stansted is nominated by no less than President Obama as his Number One UK arrival Airport.The White House and American Secret Service greatly admiring the excellent facilities.Fact..Whilst not subjecting you to a "spotters list" of some of the varied movements this week amongst the corporate and Government Agency aircraft have been Saudi Arabia,Oman,Dubai,Qatar the USAF and US Coast Guard...I think they are voting for the facilities,don`t you.Oh and by the way some of the visiting aircraft have been a tad too large for the Airport-on-The Hill..Also Fact.. you conveniently omit to state LTN man, that Luton`s "biz" traffic has taken a hammering and is losing out badly to Farnborough nowadays too.Another Fact by the way,do some research, El Al have operated from Stansted for 32 years!!. PS enjoy your rolling hills and trees,LOL...we do have trees you know,oh and leafy lanes,deepest Essex is renowned for them and we do have a World Class Airport nestled amongst them too..Stansted is on record as one of the greenest Airports in the World.. B.
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Whats going on in the press with WindJet?!
I am listening to the radio this morning and both Heart FM and BBC 3CR are stating "a new airline has launched services from Luton!" and was also on BBC Look East this morning too!
Anyone would think we have a new major carrier the size of easyJet starting a base up at the airport. In reality were talking of 2 flights a week briging no more than 600 passenger a week to/from the airport... It's barely big news!
We didn't see this when Air Arabia for example started services up at STN the other week... (Thats not a negative comment about STN!)
I suspect the airports PR machine is in overdrive this week to smoke screen all the possible negative press about the charging for the drop off zone. Take for example the press release on the airports website - News - London Luton Airport
(Call me a synic!
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Whats going on in the press with WindJet?!
I am listening to the radio this morning and both Heart FM and BBC 3CR are stating "a new airline has launched services from Luton!" and was also on BBC Look East this morning too!
Anyone would think we have a new major carrier the size of easyJet starting a base up at the airport. In reality were talking of 2 flights a week briging no more than 600 passenger a week to/from the airport... It's barely big news!
We didn't see this when Air Arabia for example started services up at STN the other week... (Thats not a negative comment about STN!)
I suspect the airports PR machine is in overdrive this week to smoke screen all the possible negative press about the charging for the drop off zone. Take for example the press release on the airports website - News - London Luton Airport
(Call me a synic!
)