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That useless runway seems ok for Shaheen to do Islamabad direct, not heard of them doing a fuel stop yet! Whilst Jet2 dont have any A310s I'm sure a 752ER with a few less seats should have no problems.
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UK lowcost carrier Jet2 will launch first trans-atlantic service with service on the Leeds/Bradford - Newark service in November and December 2008.
Service operates on Thursdays from Leeds and Sunday from Newark.
Service operates on Thursdays from Leeds and Sunday from Newark.
(Answer: I assume it's a wet lease and does other things for other people in the meantime.)
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Regarding New York non-stop.
If my info is correct (approx) LBA to Islamabad is about 400 miles further than New York. Also,the 757 should require less take-off distance of about 400ft over the Shaheen A310.
Primitive estimate I know but even so, why not non-stop?
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If my info is correct (approx) LBA to Islamabad is about 400 miles further than New York. Also,the 757 should require less take-off distance of about 400ft over the Shaheen A310.
Primitive estimate I know but even so, why not non-stop?
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Regarding New York non-stop.
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Its a load of BS. Gimmick. far too expensive. Only running it before christmas. I read somewhere that they might do an orlando run as well. Seasonal. Very pricy. Could go premium econ for what they are charging. As alan sugar would say. No good. No good.
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Of course it is, it is aimed at the same lazy 'Ibiza' type market (those who pay sometimes over twice what they would if they had booked the flight/hotel/transfers separately).
For instance just the Jet2 flight from LBA-Newark (NY) costs £579 return on 13/11 - 16/11. You can get a direct flight from MAN-Newark for £354 on the same dates and that is with bmi. Slap a £20 rail ticket to manchester on top of that and you still save over £200, and you will probably get a far better aircraft and less chance of the flight being pulled at the last minute.
For instance just the Jet2 flight from LBA-Newark (NY) costs £579 return on 13/11 - 16/11. You can get a direct flight from MAN-Newark for £354 on the same dates and that is with bmi. Slap a £20 rail ticket to manchester on top of that and you still save over £200, and you will probably get a far better aircraft and less chance of the flight being pulled at the last minute.
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Just been looking at flight only prices in November for 3 night stay.
Basic Fare + Tax - £579.98
Baggage Charge - £7.96 Each way
Credit Card / Fuel Supplement - £26.10
Total - £622.00
Optional - Reserve standard seat £3.99 Each way.
Optional - Reserve Extra Legroom seat £50 Each way.
Interestingly, the front cabin section (rows 1-9) are blocked off.
Basic Fare + Tax - £579.98
Baggage Charge - £7.96 Each way
Credit Card / Fuel Supplement - £26.10
Total - £622.00
Optional - Reserve standard seat £3.99 Each way.
Optional - Reserve Extra Legroom seat £50 Each way.
Interestingly, the front cabin section (rows 1-9) are blocked off.
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I don't think many people are going to be booking the flight only option.
The cheapest hotel on the Jet2 holidays website in New York is the Thirty Thirty.
On Expedia,the cost of the hotel 13/11-16/11 is £636 for two pax,roughly £318 per person.Add this to the cheapest flight above from Man,and there's not much difference in the £699 for the package from LBA.
I guess we will just have to wait and see if these flights prove popular or not.
The cheapest hotel on the Jet2 holidays website in New York is the Thirty Thirty.
On Expedia,the cost of the hotel 13/11-16/11 is £636 for two pax,roughly £318 per person.Add this to the cheapest flight above from Man,and there's not much difference in the £699 for the package from LBA.
I guess we will just have to wait and see if these flights prove popular or not.
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The cheapest hotel on Expedia is actually the Royal Park Hotel for those dates, and at £127.6 makes it only £63 each, add this on to the bmi £354 flight and still it only costs £417. So not quite the 'bargain' at £622 with jet2 from LBA.
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For those with an interest in performance for a 752 out of LBA.Here are some approximate figures.Lets assume ....optimum flap, still air, a temperature of 5 degrees C. QNH1013 (standard) and a dry runway with A/c packs off ..... one my companies 757 would be able to take off at
Rwy 14 112503 Kgs climb limited
Rwy 32 109293 Kgs obstacle limited
if the runway were wet and at that temperature engine ant-icing on
Rwy 14 112353 Kgs climb limited
Rwy 32 107954 Kgs obstacle limited
Jet 2 s proposed airframe is showing currently a max RTOW of 113398 Kgs so LBA runway limiting not the aircraft.Typical ZFW for a full load of all adults with not to many bags outbound (short duration shopping trip) might be around a maximum of 82000 kgs
Therefore the worst case will allow a fuel load of about 25954Kgs and the best case about 30503 Kgs.Full tanks on a 752 is about 34270 kgs.My guess is that on the right day subject to the headwinds on the N.Atlantic they may be able to make NY direct.Higher temperatures,low atmospheric pressure or aircraft unserviceabilities might considerably reduce the figures above.Great circle distance EGNM-KJFK 2916nm so lets say 3100 nm ground distance assume a 460kt.TAS and say a 40 kt headwind overall = a flight time of about 7hrs.20 min. Direct most probably possible but very subject to conditions on the day might be better to schedule a tech stop at Shannon and have an easy day out.Hope this helps Stampe
Rwy 14 112503 Kgs climb limited
Rwy 32 109293 Kgs obstacle limited
if the runway were wet and at that temperature engine ant-icing on
Rwy 14 112353 Kgs climb limited
Rwy 32 107954 Kgs obstacle limited
Jet 2 s proposed airframe is showing currently a max RTOW of 113398 Kgs so LBA runway limiting not the aircraft.Typical ZFW for a full load of all adults with not to many bags outbound (short duration shopping trip) might be around a maximum of 82000 kgs
Therefore the worst case will allow a fuel load of about 25954Kgs and the best case about 30503 Kgs.Full tanks on a 752 is about 34270 kgs.My guess is that on the right day subject to the headwinds on the N.Atlantic they may be able to make NY direct.Higher temperatures,low atmospheric pressure or aircraft unserviceabilities might considerably reduce the figures above.Great circle distance EGNM-KJFK 2916nm so lets say 3100 nm ground distance assume a 460kt.TAS and say a 40 kt headwind overall = a flight time of about 7hrs.20 min. Direct most probably possible but very subject to conditions on the day might be better to schedule a tech stop at Shannon and have an easy day out.Hope this helps Stampe
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dbertman,
I was trying to illustrate like for like.I know there are cheaper hotels available,but some of the hotels in New York are literally roach motels!
Just looking on expedia,the cheapest packages from LBA with KLM same dates roughly £439 in Newark area.
I hope these flights are a success for Jet2.A lot of people will book without doing the research revealing there are cheaper options out there!.
I was trying to illustrate like for like.I know there are cheaper hotels available,but some of the hotels in New York are literally roach motels!
Just looking on expedia,the cheapest packages from LBA with KLM same dates roughly £439 in Newark area.
I hope these flights are a success for Jet2.A lot of people will book without doing the research revealing there are cheaper options out there!.
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Good point. I don't imagine Jet2 want to just sell 'flights only'. They're trying to sell and promote Jet2holidays!!!
I have a feeling it will work but not sure where it leads from here - to more good things I hope and just think of all those staff in New York wondering where LBA is!
STAMPE -
very interesting and thanks for proving my point!
I have a feeling it will work but not sure where it leads from here - to more good things I hope and just think of all those staff in New York wondering where LBA is!
STAMPE -
might be better to schedule a tech stop at Shannon
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dbertman - bmi don't fly from MAN - EWR. They fly to ORD and then on to EWR via a United flight on a codeshare. It is a very reasonable journey, but not direct as you suggest. I still agree with your point on costs though.
MAN - EWR on Continental would be a fairer comparison though.
MAN - EWR on Continental would be a fairer comparison though.
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I was told last night there will only be 4 of these trips, so i imagine it's a small but profitable market testing excercise. Nothing wrong with a bit of experimentation as long as it doesn't cost too much(i tell the wife).
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I presume It is actually THREE nights! as the trips are being marketed with 3 nights accommodation & surely this does not include one night in the hospitality of LS. Which interestingly raises another question that if these trips are being marketed as including 3 nights accommodation what are the precise timings? As I have seen no reference to 'Monday arrivals' back in LBA then presumably they must be early morning departures from EWR reducing actual 'day' time in NYC to two days?
So what does the plane do for 2 days in EWR ?
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If you look at the Jet2holidays webpage,it does say including 3 nights hotel accomodation.
Flight departs LBA Thu 09:00 arrives EWR Thu 12:20.
Flight departs EWR Sun 18:55 arrives LBA Mon 07:05.
Flight departs LBA Thu 09:00 arrives EWR Thu 12:20.
Flight departs EWR Sun 18:55 arrives LBA Mon 07:05.
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I'm sure the NYC customers will receive the same standard of deplorable customer service as I had as well........
And as for the person who said I hadn't flown an awful lot.....
I've used more ID90s than anyone I know.....
They are in the wrong, and it makes no difference whether they are lo-co or not.
If you buy a 60p tin of tomatoes from Waitrose you expect it to be exactly that.
If you buy the a 30p tin from ASDA or Tesco then you'd also expect it to be tomatoes, just not of the same quality.
You certainly wouldn't expect the cheaper version to poison you..... I'm sure if they did there would be an awful lot of problems.
If anyone wants to PM me about this issue, feel free, I'm sure I'd get more sense out of you than your "call-centre".......
And as for the person who said I hadn't flown an awful lot.....
I've used more ID90s than anyone I know.....
They are in the wrong, and it makes no difference whether they are lo-co or not.
If you buy a 60p tin of tomatoes from Waitrose you expect it to be exactly that.
If you buy the a 30p tin from ASDA or Tesco then you'd also expect it to be tomatoes, just not of the same quality.
You certainly wouldn't expect the cheaper version to poison you..... I'm sure if they did there would be an awful lot of problems.
If anyone wants to PM me about this issue, feel free, I'm sure I'd get more sense out of you than your "call-centre".......