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Bloody hell smudge that could be it!, maybe in a bid to cut costs jet 2 have started employing kwikfit fitters
it would certainly be cheaper than those highly paid licensed engineers other airlines employ,
perhaps jet 2 really do believe you cant get better than a kwikfit fitter
it would certainly be cheaper than those highly paid licensed engineers other airlines employ,
perhaps jet 2 really do believe you cant get better than a kwikfit fitter
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simonchowder...your anti Jet2 is getting very boring now.
Now lets not let the FACTS interfere with a good story.
Official delay / tech times for airlines 2009 season:
Jet2
Average delay in mins 21.2
departure within 15 mins 65.3 %
greater than 1 hour late 7.3%
Monarch
Average delay in mins 23.7
departure within 15 mins 69.1%
greater than 1 hour late 9.7%
Now when you start breaking figures down and analise indervidual airport performance per airline it is clear that Jet2 have a much poorer on time departure record at manchester compared to monarch, this obviously points to a local problem which I hope J2 will address. However overall AIRLINE ontime performance is better than Monarch. So mr simonchowder.... you have flown on Jet2 twice you say yet that obviously gives you a balanced basis for your consistant slamming of the airline, over and over and over again. It is clear by previous postings that you are not a professional in the airline business by your obvious lack of knowlege on precedures and engineers (your recent comments on ETOPS show that), yet you still make engineering judgments etc. I am sorry you had a bad experience but this does not justify your constant bashing with no or little substance to back it up.
Now lets not let the FACTS interfere with a good story.
Official delay / tech times for airlines 2009 season:
Jet2
Average delay in mins 21.2
departure within 15 mins 65.3 %
greater than 1 hour late 7.3%
Monarch
Average delay in mins 23.7
departure within 15 mins 69.1%
greater than 1 hour late 9.7%
Now when you start breaking figures down and analise indervidual airport performance per airline it is clear that Jet2 have a much poorer on time departure record at manchester compared to monarch, this obviously points to a local problem which I hope J2 will address. However overall AIRLINE ontime performance is better than Monarch. So mr simonchowder.... you have flown on Jet2 twice you say yet that obviously gives you a balanced basis for your consistant slamming of the airline, over and over and over again. It is clear by previous postings that you are not a professional in the airline business by your obvious lack of knowlege on precedures and engineers (your recent comments on ETOPS show that), yet you still make engineering judgments etc. I am sorry you had a bad experience but this does not justify your constant bashing with no or little substance to back it up.
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This is a joke about using kwik fit staff surely, airlines have to employ suitably qualified engineers to look after their aircraft dont they??? i would imagine that someone who is responsible for the safety of a aircraft must be very well qualified and not just any old joe, there must be regulations covering this
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Correct me if I am wrong but your analysis of punctuality for Monarch seems incorrect as a direct comparison with Jet2. Are you comparing MON with Jet2 or a combination of MON and ZB. The only true comparison with Jet2 should be ZB only figures.
Flightontime shows ZB figures as follows:
Average delay ... 15 mins
Delay within 15 mins ..... 78.7%
Delay greater than 1 hour ...5.2%
These figures put ZB as rank 28 in the Scheduled Airlines Table whereas Jet2 are ranked 34 in the same table with the figures you stated in your post.
In the Lo Cost Airlines Analysis Monarch Scheduled are ranked 5th whilst Jet2 are ranked 6th.
Flightontime shows ZB figures as follows:
Average delay ... 15 mins
Delay within 15 mins ..... 78.7%
Delay greater than 1 hour ...5.2%
These figures put ZB as rank 28 in the Scheduled Airlines Table whereas Jet2 are ranked 34 in the same table with the figures you stated in your post.
In the Lo Cost Airlines Analysis Monarch Scheduled are ranked 5th whilst Jet2 are ranked 6th.
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TSR2, yes you can compare that way, but Jet2 are not only a loco but a charter holiday company now, therefore for a more accurate comparison the ZB and MON figures should be combined as are the Jet2 figures. I think I am probably looking at a different table to you as all figures for the two airlines i am looking at are for combined operations.
That aside, Monarch are a fine company and operate a very good service, it was not my intention to point a bad finger in their direction, simply to point out that Jet2 are no better overall or significantly worse than most operators in the charter / loco market. Whilst there can always be improvements and you cannot satisfy everyone, the constant bashing here from uninformed people who clearly have no idea about maintenance or procedures is irritating to say the least!
That aside, Monarch are a fine company and operate a very good service, it was not my intention to point a bad finger in their direction, simply to point out that Jet2 are no better overall or significantly worse than most operators in the charter / loco market. Whilst there can always be improvements and you cannot satisfy everyone, the constant bashing here from uninformed people who clearly have no idea about maintenance or procedures is irritating to say the least!
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Its bad enough having to endure that very special jet 2 experience short haul but the thought of flying with them longhaul does not bear contemplation, imagine flying to the states, one toilet working ,no in flight entertainment, kitchen ovens not working , air conditioning either freezing cold or roasting hot, seat recline broken etc etc
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Well in that case I believe the figures you quote are misleading, as the LS figures are for scheduled services only.
Whilst I appreciate that Jet2 also operate a holiday company, I think the number of true charter flights operated is negligable compared with Monarch (MON)
By the way, how did you arrive at the combined Monarch statistics as MON are listed as rank No 2 in the Charter Statistics whilst Jet2 do not feature at all.
Whichever way I look at the statistics Monarch rank better than Jet2 but I might be missing something.
May I stress that I am not in any way criticising Jet2. I am simply querying your punctuality figures.
Whilst I appreciate that Jet2 also operate a holiday company, I think the number of true charter flights operated is negligable compared with Monarch (MON)
By the way, how did you arrive at the combined Monarch statistics as MON are listed as rank No 2 in the Charter Statistics whilst Jet2 do not feature at all.
Whichever way I look at the statistics Monarch rank better than Jet2 but I might be missing something.
May I stress that I am not in any way criticising Jet2. I am simply querying your punctuality figures.
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Soon to be announced, the arrival of the GSM 767's and routes Cancun, Goa, Orlando
They got most of their bad reputation when they expanded long haul.
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We can all play those silly games.
Suggest you put Monarch news on the correct thread
Regarding the utterances of simonchowder it is after all a rumour network and not much fact comes from him!!
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The Guardian and Observer Travel Awards, Best European Short Haul Airline 2006 and 2007 and Best UK Short Haul Airline in 2008.
The Guardian and Observer Travel Awards, Best European Short Haul Airline 2006 and 2007 and Best UK Short Haul Airline in 2008.
Regarding the utterances of simonchowder it is after all a rumour network and not much fact comes from him!!
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Its bad enough having to endure that very special jet 2 experience short haul but the thought of flying with them longhaul does not bear contemplation, imagine flying to the states, one toilet working ,no in flight entertainment, kitchen ovens not working , air conditioning either freezing cold or roasting hot, seat recline broken etc etc
Well SIMONCHOWDER ... you know what to do, dont fly jet2 you wont be missed !
Well SIMONCHOWDER ... you know what to do, dont fly jet2 you wont be missed !
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Although I may tend to agree that Jet2 may not possibly be the number one choice in airline travel, I find it very difficult to take your comments on Jet2 seriously bearing in mind that by your own admission, you have travelled with Jet2 on only 2 occasions.
Personally, I only tend to form any sort of opinion after at least 6 return flights as you can have a 'disappointing experience' with any airline for a multitude of reasons most of which may be outside the airlines control anyway.
Just like Monarch, Jet2 have transported me from A to B safely and on time on many occasions. My preference for one airline over the other is therefore based on factors over and above these fundamental requirements. To many people there are no other factors.
Personally, I only tend to form any sort of opinion after at least 6 return flights as you can have a 'disappointing experience' with any airline for a multitude of reasons most of which may be outside the airlines control anyway.
Just like Monarch, Jet2 have transported me from A to B safely and on time on many occasions. My preference for one airline over the other is therefore based on factors over and above these fundamental requirements. To many people there are no other factors.
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Your comments about Jet2 are simply boring.
I have flown Monarch once from Luton to Palma and Jet2 once from Leeds to Palma and both flights were excellent, on time and the aircraft in good order, if anything the Jet2 crew were more friendly. I hear many good comments here in Palma about Jet2 as well as Ryanair and EasyJet whom I tend to use the most. I would have no hestitation in using Jet2 for long haul if and when something is offered.
Your comments about Jet2 are simply boring.
I have flown Monarch once from Luton to Palma and Jet2 once from Leeds to Palma and both flights were excellent, on time and the aircraft in good order, if anything the Jet2 crew were more friendly. I hear many good comments here in Palma about Jet2 as well as Ryanair and EasyJet whom I tend to use the most. I would have no hestitation in using Jet2 for long haul if and when something is offered.
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Well I have traveled both airlines. I prefer JET2 because the old 737s are more comfortable than the A320. That's my opinion.
Technical problems - October 2008 BLK to AGP - Flight delayed one hour + because of a fuel smell in cabin, turned out to be nothing.
July 2006 landing at BLK from AGP with Monarch, one of my worst landings ever - I was in all honesty a bit scary until the a/c throttled back.
So we all get bad experiences at some time with all airlines - I think Simonchowder should reserve his praise for ZB for the Monarch thread.
Technical problems - October 2008 BLK to AGP - Flight delayed one hour + because of a fuel smell in cabin, turned out to be nothing.
July 2006 landing at BLK from AGP with Monarch, one of my worst landings ever - I was in all honesty a bit scary until the a/c throttled back.
So we all get bad experiences at some time with all airlines - I think Simonchowder should reserve his praise for ZB for the Monarch thread.
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Monarch are Expensive from wat ive seen, even the ZB operation
As a regular on the BLK/LPL/MAN -TFS, I rarely choose Monarch because of their high fares over the busy periods. Often I have even gone on EZY and FR, both of them much cheaper although the latter of the two in particular offering some very low fares when compared to ZB or even, LS.
This is the reason why I think that LS should try to go for markets that EZY and FR provide fewer (although EZY tend to reach these places now) or no services on. Croatia, Tunisia, Turkey, Bulgaria, Cyprus, under served Greek Islands (e.g Kos/Kefalonia), or even Cape Verde, The Gambia or Florida with 767s. A mix of established and up and coming holiday destinations which can be well supported with low frequencies and charter capacity should be the direction LS should head in. I'm sure the charter companies could do with the extra capacity to such places at certain times (e.g TCX have been using MON a lot).
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Most people have some form of criteria by which they choose their airline of preference. You obviously have cost very high on your list and I would not criticise you for that. However, other people may have different criteria.
On the subject of cost, it very much depends on when you book. I have noticed on numerous occasions that LS have been cheaper than ZB only to find the reverse a week later. It totally depends on how the bookings are progressing at the time.
Regarding some of the future destinations you identified for LS, I would suggest they would be better or could only be operated profitably as Charter destinations and as such LS involvement would be to operate the flights on behalf of a tour operator such as Jet2 Holidays.
On the subject of cost, it very much depends on when you book. I have noticed on numerous occasions that LS have been cheaper than ZB only to find the reverse a week later. It totally depends on how the bookings are progressing at the time.
Regarding some of the future destinations you identified for LS, I would suggest they would be better or could only be operated profitably as Charter destinations and as such LS involvement would be to operate the flights on behalf of a tour operator such as Jet2 Holidays.