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If baby needed a new fleet like mainline or regional, we'd have one.
And getting rid of the -500s to "standardise" on the -300s? Which management e-mail did you copy-and-paste that one from? Since when has there been any significant 'non-standard' issues between the two?!! There was no problem at BM for 11+ years; financial, operational or otherwise...
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I guess I am totally out of step with everyone else as I read BMI's decision to hold of transatlantic flights and thought it was a sensible idea.
There will no doubt be a rush to offer flights from LHR, why not stand back see what happens and then once the dust has settled go ahead.
There will no doubt be a rush to offer flights from LHR, why not stand back see what happens and then once the dust has settled go ahead.
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I have noticed on Jethro website that BmiBaby is expecting a delivery of a 733 aircraft in May 2008, currently registered as EICUS (air one) any news on when others will arrive?
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why walk down the hill and f**k one cow when you can walk down the hill and f**k all the cows
If SMB sells to Lufty or Virgin, what will happen to bmiBaby ?
Who on earth would be interested in 21 old Boeing 737s
Who on earth would be interested in 21 old Boeing 737s
You should have weighed up the baby prospect before joining! Unless you joined in the optimistic beginning, when baby was formed to compete valiantly and corageously with Easyjet (Go) when they moved in on East Midlands. "Lets see off the imposters!" was the cry.
Come to think......all this talk of how bmi likes competition, it hasn't actually done very well at all against Easyjet, has it?
Or Ryanair
Or.......hey, come to think, it hasn't done well against anyone!
Nope, only time bmi likes competition is when it has the advantage of Heathrow slots, short haul, against BA. That's pretend competition.
Could it just be bmi has realised that transatlantic will be real competition, even with Heathrow slots in it's arsenal?
Yep, looks very much like bmi is scared of real competition and that's why it is delaying the start of the transatlantic "war".
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Acbus1, same old vitriol and poison You must still be really miffed because bmi gave you the push
especially now the the airline is really on the up!!
SMB has forgotton more about running an airline than you will ever know!! and your anti bmi tirades are childish in the extreme, may I suggest you goo back to whatever it is you do best (loading bags?) and leave the airline discussions to the real airline people
especially now the the airline is really on the up!! SMB has forgotton more about running an airline than you will ever know!! and your anti bmi tirades are childish in the extreme, may I suggest you goo back to whatever it is you do best (loading bags?) and leave the airline discussions to the real airline people
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I, as usual, was merely expressing my opinion, this being a Forum for that purpose, I've been assuming.
Do the last three "contributors", or anyone else, disagree that bmi baby has failed to compete successfully with any other airline?
Do the last three "contributors", or anyone else, disagree that the "success" of bmi has relied entirely upon its allocation of Heathrow slots?
Do the last three "contributors", or anyone else, disagree that the "success" of bmi at Heathrow has been entirely on short haul routes, against a single so-called competitor in the form of British Airways, who have famously little interest in short haul (presumably because BA have bigger profits to rake in on their long haul routes and their Heathrow slot allocation gives them a vast "competitive" advantage in that respect)
Do the last three "contributors", or anyone else, disagree that bmi management from the top down is a shambles. (and isn't it fascinating how that management assumes the characteristics of its upper echelons .....pilot haters to a man. Even the pilot management hates, bullies and victimises its "fellow" pilots).
Do the last three "contributors", or anyone else, disagree that this latest retreat from real competition exposes the true colours of bmi and it's "management".
Do the last three "contributors" actually have a contribution to make to the thread topic? I've posed you some questions to answer, since you seem to be bereft of original thoughts or opinions (about the thread topic, not me) of your own.
Is it?
All it has done so far is buy a loss making airline (with Heathrow slots, just to give the real motive away).
bmi will be on the up when it consistently makes a profit! Simple business fact - a company is on the up when it makes money! At least you've finally admitted that bmi has been down (for some years, if you really open your eyes)!
BTW, I don't contribute because I'm bitter. I contribute because the majority seem blind to the facts and to reality. It's a continuing fascination and frustration for me - how a workforce, almost to a man, can be so blind, to the extreme extent that it is to their own severe disadvantage!
Thanks for the suggestion.
But, a question......how, exactly, does one "goo"?
Do the last three "contributors", or anyone else, disagree that bmi baby has failed to compete successfully with any other airline?
Do the last three "contributors", or anyone else, disagree that the "success" of bmi has relied entirely upon its allocation of Heathrow slots?
Do the last three "contributors", or anyone else, disagree that the "success" of bmi at Heathrow has been entirely on short haul routes, against a single so-called competitor in the form of British Airways, who have famously little interest in short haul (presumably because BA have bigger profits to rake in on their long haul routes and their Heathrow slot allocation gives them a vast "competitive" advantage in that respect)
Do the last three "contributors", or anyone else, disagree that bmi management from the top down is a shambles. (and isn't it fascinating how that management assumes the characteristics of its upper echelons .....pilot haters to a man. Even the pilot management hates, bullies and victimises its "fellow" pilots).
Do the last three "contributors", or anyone else, disagree that this latest retreat from real competition exposes the true colours of bmi and it's "management".
Do the last three "contributors" actually have a contribution to make to the thread topic? I've posed you some questions to answer, since you seem to be bereft of original thoughts or opinions (about the thread topic, not me) of your own.
...now that the airline is really on the up
All it has done so far is buy a loss making airline (with Heathrow slots, just to give the real motive away).
bmi will be on the up when it consistently makes a profit! Simple business fact - a company is on the up when it makes money! At least you've finally admitted that bmi has been down (for some years, if you really open your eyes)!
BTW, I don't contribute because I'm bitter. I contribute because the majority seem blind to the facts and to reality. It's a continuing fascination and frustration for me - how a workforce, almost to a man, can be so blind, to the extreme extent that it is to their own severe disadvantage!
...may I suggest you goo back to whatever it is you do best...
But, a question......how, exactly, does one "goo"?
with Heathrow slots, just to give the real motive away)
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New Routes
Hi All,
New routes are being annouced on tuesday 04th Sep. Any ideas as to what these could be ? I'm not talking about CAI or the BMed selection so other destinations.
LHR/SNN (highly likely !)
New routes are being annouced on tuesday 04th Sep. Any ideas as to what these could be ? I'm not talking about CAI or the BMed selection so other destinations.
LHR/SNN (highly likely !)
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But, a question......how, exactly, does one "goo"?
The last and most childish defence of the indefensible by a one trick pony with a warped agenda
1/ We are talking about bmi and not bmibaby so lets keep to the subject in hand
2/ The success of bmi was based on SMB`s determination to take on BA in the 1980s on the domestic and then European short haul market his success in doing this is dmonstrated by the very fact that bmi is still in business and has managed to see BA off on more than one route
3/ Your opinion on the management is predictable bearing in mind you were binned by the company (can`t think why
) 4/ Why try and take on the competition when you can go for routes that have no other operators serving the destination out of LHR, the issue SMB had was about a chosen few being able to operate to the US from LHR not to particular destinations within the US.
The true colours are of a cautious management who will pick their time and place to commence operations and will not be rushed into decisions by disgruntled EX employees whose sole wish in life is to see a lot of hardworking people out of a job because he has an axe to grind
5/ You have not posed any meaningful questions all you have done is to spout your predictable and rather sad opinions again, it really is time to find a new outlet for your frustrations
It's a continuing fascination and frustration for me - how a workforce, almost to a man, can be so blind, to the extreme extent that it is to their own severe disadvantage!
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The success of bmi was based on SMB`s determination to take on BA in the 1980s on the domestic and then European short haul market his success in doing this is dmonstrated by the very fact that bmi is still in business and has managed to see BA off on more than one route
Where do all you guys that are gushing such wonderous support for bmi work? I havn't heard any comments like that from the folk I work with. Its pretty much as A1 posts. I am intrigued to know which base I should put in a transfer for as I really want to have your views. Honestly, I would love to have the faith you guys have.
I havn't seen such posts here before and the only thing that has changed recently is the crew food, has some happy pills been put in it?
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Where do all you guys that are gushing such wonderous support for bmi work?
but I, as usual, was merely expressing my opinion, this being a Forum for that purpose,
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I agree 100% with mcc... I am more than aware of the seemingly poor management decisions made by bmi, whether that be mainline, regional, longhaul etc etc.
What annoys me more though, are posts which only seem to want to destroy speculation and discussion in this forum. I enjoy constructive discusion and criticism but do not enjoy it when it is so obviously one sided and single minded.
bmi are far from right in many of the decision made from my perspective as an 'armchair' CEO!!! There have been a lot of good people affected with the years of cutbacks and poor decisions i.e. getting rid of business, cutting engineering, starting routes to cancel months later. I could go on but won't. But they have been around for years and look to continue to do so - so they must be doing something sort of right.
I hope they find the right way forward and make the company a success again - like it once was.
What annoys me more though, are posts which only seem to want to destroy speculation and discussion in this forum. I enjoy constructive discusion and criticism but do not enjoy it when it is so obviously one sided and single minded.
bmi are far from right in many of the decision made from my perspective as an 'armchair' CEO!!! There have been a lot of good people affected with the years of cutbacks and poor decisions i.e. getting rid of business, cutting engineering, starting routes to cancel months later. I could go on but won't. But they have been around for years and look to continue to do so - so they must be doing something sort of right.
I hope they find the right way forward and make the company a success again - like it once was.
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Mod kit; you seem to be totally contradicting yourself. On the one hand you criticise those that suggest bmi management are useless and on the other you criticise them yourself.
It would seem that the only reason anyone here supports bmi is because they have survived for years. And there is a very simple explanation why they have lasted so long: the staff. Whilst the management have fretted from one problem to another and made half hearted attempts at one market/route or another, the staff have covered up the day to day failures and made sure the job was done, without the support/infrastructure/INVESTMENT that bmi should have given its customers and staff.
If survival is the only measure of success then bmi is a success story. If on the other hand success is measured by growth, innovation, brand and profit then bmi is a failure, albeit one that is still around.
Bmi is a privately owned company and as long as it remains that way it will only ever benefit one man (if it was mine, I would do the same!). Until that changes, the slots which bmi control at LHR will never reach their full potential for passengers or staff.
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It would seem that the only reason anyone here supports bmi is because they have survived for years. And there is a very simple explanation why they have lasted so long: the staff. Whilst the management have fretted from one problem to another and made half hearted attempts at one market/route or another, the staff have covered up the day to day failures and made sure the job was done, without the support/infrastructure/INVESTMENT that bmi should have given its customers and staff.
If survival is the only measure of success then bmi is a success story. If on the other hand success is measured by growth, innovation, brand and profit then bmi is a failure, albeit one that is still around.
Bmi is a privately owned company and as long as it remains that way it will only ever benefit one man (if it was mine, I would do the same!). Until that changes, the slots which bmi control at LHR will never reach their full potential for passengers or staff.
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Bmibaby 737
Looks like the 300s and 500s of Bmibaby are getting on a bit,i wonder if Bmibaby will replace them or upgrade them to 737NG,since many airlines such as Flybe and Easyjet are on the eco theme at the minute and i shouldnt see why Bmibaby shouldnt take part in it,might attract a few new customers
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The 300 and 500 do the job just right. What's wrong with them? Cabin maintenance has nothing to do with the aeroplane itself, and they are the best tool for the job. But maybe this discussion is better in Spotters where it belongs? This is Rumours and News young man.
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Whats wrong with the 300 n 500s, going tech all the time at EMA. Its not just about going echo friendly but new a/c save on fuel, which means a lower base cost, cheaper tickets or profit.. . . . . . .
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Well actually dumdumbrain the costs of leasing a 737-300/500 is considerably less per month than leasing and ex-Ryanair 737-800. I'm sure the bean counters at BMI Baby have it all in hand and just to add they are looking at newer aircraft but as yet which type has been undecided.
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