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I didn't suggest the 330s should be on the GLA. Perhaps you are too young to remember the truly awful shuttle before BMA joined in!
What I was trying to say was that in order to attack any transatlantic market, a better product than the opposition must be in place. Hence, whilst LHR is in turmoil, it would be difficult and I am sure that SMB will not act on such a fundemental expansion until BAA gets it's sh*t together.
BA were obliged to react to BMA in the early eighties and they did, but not before BMA had their feet well and truly under the table on these routes.
I agree with you about airlines being in business for so long and nearly forty of these years has been with Bishop at the helm!
I didn't suggest the 330s should be on the GLA. Perhaps you are too young to remember the truly awful shuttle before BMA joined in!
What I was trying to say was that in order to attack any transatlantic market, a better product than the opposition must be in place. Hence, whilst LHR is in turmoil, it would be difficult and I am sure that SMB will not act on such a fundemental expansion until BAA gets it's sh*t together.
BA were obliged to react to BMA in the early eighties and they did, but not before BMA had their feet well and truly under the table on these routes.
I agree with you about airlines being in business for so long and nearly forty of these years has been with Bishop at the helm!
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flapsfullretard....
"why walk down the hill and f**k one cow when you can walk down the hill and f**k all the cows."
That is a classic. Did you make that up? haha....
Gold star for you!
"why walk down the hill and f**k one cow when you can walk down the hill and f**k all the cows."
That is a classic. Did you make that up? haha....
Gold star for you!
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Bmi - 4yi
A report in to-day's Travel Trade Gazette says that BMI will drop LBA- Lille from 21 September, surprise,surprise!!, due to low loads.
Another report says BMI will drop domestic flights from Heathrow to Manchester, LBA & Durham Tees. First to go will be Manchester where traffic has dropped from 120,000 per year to 76,000.
The airline will unveil its winter timetable in a couple of week when it will confirm its move away from domestic and short haul routes in favour of routes to the middle east and further afield. Improved rail links and security delays are given as the main reasons.
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Another report says BMI will drop domestic flights from Heathrow to Manchester, LBA & Durham Tees. First to go will be Manchester where traffic has dropped from 120,000 per year to 76,000.
The airline will unveil its winter timetable in a couple of week when it will confirm its move away from domestic and short haul routes in favour of routes to the middle east and further afield. Improved rail links and security delays are given as the main reasons.
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A pathetic climb-down indeed. A sell-off shouldn't be too far down the line now. Sir Michael Bishop has done well to position the airline over the years. Now with open-skies in place, a huge slot portfolio and bilateral rights to fly all these mid-haul routes thanks to the aquisition of BMED, the airline is approaching it's peak value. My money is on Lufthansa but BA & Virgin Atlantic will be watching very closely to get their chance of grabbing it.
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If there is any cancellation of domestic services then I suspect is has more to do with LHR slots than anything else, BA only use the route to feed onto their international network.
You can travel by train from MAN city centre to London in 2hours 20 minutes, for £12.50 at the moment, so those slots are probably of more use for other things, either expanding the BMED routes, or new Atlantic services.
You can travel by train from MAN city centre to London in 2hours 20 minutes, for £12.50 at the moment, so those slots are probably of more use for other things, either expanding the BMED routes, or new Atlantic services.
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First to go will be Manchester where traffic has dropped from 120,000 per year to 76,000.
Never in a month of Sundays! Durham would be first to go. MAN can supply ALOT of connecting passengers if BMI were to start US flights. Would be very surprised if the whole service was cut.
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I see your point re Baby and as a passenger on their flights it is distressing to see them adding more old 733's!
However non of Baby's 737's are 25 years old. G-BYZJ is the oldest 300, built in 1991 with 33909 hours at 31/12/03 per the CAA. G-OBMP is next in 1992 with 37408 at 31/12/04 - went on that one in early August and it was fine inside and only the paintwork was a little tatty.
They have three 735's built in 1991 (G-BVZG, H & I) and I understand that some if not all of these three aircraft will be replaced over winter 2007/8 with some more 300's.
G-BVKB built in 1994 is the new one of the 500's and has only 27579 hours on the clock at 31/12/05 - a good few years left possibly?
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I see your point re Baby and as a passenger on their flights it is distressing to see them adding more old 733's!
However non of Baby's 737's are 25 years old. G-BYZJ is the oldest 300, built in 1991 with 33909 hours at 31/12/03 per the CAA. G-OBMP is next in 1992 with 37408 at 31/12/04 - went on that one in early August and it was fine inside and only the paintwork was a little tatty.
They have three 735's built in 1991 (G-BVZG, H & I) and I understand that some if not all of these three aircraft will be replaced over winter 2007/8 with some more 300's.
G-BVKB built in 1994 is the new one of the 500's and has only 27579 hours on the clock at 31/12/05 - a good few years left possibly?
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Can't see MAN-LHR getting axed, it's a crew shuttle most of the time.
If they needed the slot to operate something else then they would. Although on the Manchester route the only time I can see that being dropped by either BMI or BA is when there is a quicker and cheaper train service than there is at the moment.
I heard that years ago when BMI started one of its scottish routes on the first day BA put Concorde on the route to steal the limelight!!
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BMI in only 'early' Shannon talks
Looks like they are talking down in Limerick about BMI and SNN-LHR.....
http://www.rte.ie/business/2007/0828/shannon.html
"But he added that if the Shannon Airport Authority came up with 'some support', BMI would look at any package closely."
http://www.rte.ie/business/2007/0828/shannon.html
"But he added that if the Shannon Airport Authority came up with 'some support', BMI would look at any package closely."
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What a shambles! Assuming it isn't all intentional, as Max Angle (as ever probably spot on) and Von Altibar have suggested. I thought MB had lost his historically over-cautious marbles, but this latest screech to a timid halt is more true to form.
Even the excuse isn't too convincing, is it? I thought bmi was hyped up as being adept at taking advantage of chaos - Heathrow in a mess should be ideal, "if" all that hype is correct (that is a great big "if" though).
All this delaying whilst maintaining fleet expansion is going to be massively expensive. Bet Lufty and SAS are chuffed at the prospect of another year or more well into the red.
It's nice being a spectator on the outside, settled happily with a profitable airline which knows how to treat people properly.
I just feel sorry for all the decent people in bmi (and not sorry at all for all the b******s, of which there are an abnormally high number).
Even the excuse isn't too convincing, is it? I thought bmi was hyped up as being adept at taking advantage of chaos - Heathrow in a mess should be ideal, "if" all that hype is correct (that is a great big "if" though).
All this delaying whilst maintaining fleet expansion is going to be massively expensive. Bet Lufty and SAS are chuffed at the prospect of another year or more well into the red.
It's nice being a spectator on the outside, settled happily with a profitable airline which knows how to treat people properly.
I just feel sorry for all the decent people in bmi (and not sorry at all for all the b******s, of which there are an abnormally high number).
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OK I'm going to stick my neck out and gush with a most unusual pride for the company I work for. bmi would not have been in the business for as long as they have, had they not taken calculated risks or lucked in quite a lot. SMB might be right to let the dust settle from Open Skies before launching his product, once T1 is ready as the Star Alliance terminal and the bunfight is under way. On the other hand it means we're getting in late and might miss crucial new market share. Regarding bmibaby, the -500s are on their way out allowing the company to standardise on the -300. Although not as shiny and new as some other airlines' fleets, they are here to stay having joined us from every corner of the world, and get about getting people from A to B cheaply and safely. If baby needed a new fleet like mainline or regional, we'd have one. Also I'm sure plenty of airlines would line up to buy us, our fleet is leased so easily expendible, little heirarchy with many tasks still performed by mainline and a good slot portfolio.