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Yes it is very odd Oasis were looking to expand rather than retrench if they were in trouble.
So a HKG pax service remains as elusive as ever. As for CX resuming pax flights in light of this I'd say there's more chance of hell freezing over! At least the budget-haters will be happy, no HKG from Oasis and seemingly no KUL from Air Asia X.
So a HKG pax service remains as elusive as ever. As for CX resuming pax flights in light of this I'd say there's more chance of hell freezing over! At least the budget-haters will be happy, no HKG from Oasis and seemingly no KUL from Air Asia X.
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Is it summertime yet?, the Manchester Basher Mickeyman has come out of Hibernation!! ....crawl back under your rock please!!.....if you have nothing good to say don't say it at all!!
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GLENO
Further...............
I am not a 'Manchester basher' as you assume.I just have a
more realistic grasp of things than you and your ilk.
The economic down turn with its effect on jetfuel prices etc is a
pointer to severe problems for those airlines who live on the
cusp of profits.
Your boyish enthusiasm for rumour-routes is misplaced when
these conditions exist.
Oasishongkong didnt seem financially tough enough to me to
be able to operate in these economic circumstances.
Getting people to travel long-haul from the regions is another
'difficulty' of economics and its to some airlines great credit
that they do so from Manchester with success.
However the 'field of dreams' scenario only works for airlines
as sharp and clever as Ryanair and only then on short-haul
trips.
Ryanair have not attempted medium/longhaul yet - I wonder
why!
Enough for now.
MM
Further...............
I am not a 'Manchester basher' as you assume.I just have a
more realistic grasp of things than you and your ilk.
The economic down turn with its effect on jetfuel prices etc is a
pointer to severe problems for those airlines who live on the
cusp of profits.
Your boyish enthusiasm for rumour-routes is misplaced when
these conditions exist.
Oasishongkong didnt seem financially tough enough to me to
be able to operate in these economic circumstances.
Getting people to travel long-haul from the regions is another
'difficulty' of economics and its to some airlines great credit
that they do so from Manchester with success.
However the 'field of dreams' scenario only works for airlines
as sharp and clever as Ryanair and only then on short-haul
trips.
Ryanair have not attempted medium/longhaul yet - I wonder
why!
Enough for now.
MM
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CDG ?. You're having a laugh. Twinned with LHR that place...
AUH is crap but quiet enough to make it tolerable for transferring. DOH is a joke of an airport (premium terminal excepted). QR do very well to get the pax they do to go through there. Good job the on board product is decent.
AMS is a great airport but KL are hard work. Fortunately MH use AMS as it's European hub so you only get fed onto KL for the hops over here. Not a fan of DXB or EK.
I use FRA a lot and quite like the place. Also got the MUC option on LH.
AUH is crap but quiet enough to make it tolerable for transferring. DOH is a joke of an airport (premium terminal excepted). QR do very well to get the pax they do to go through there. Good job the on board product is decent.
AMS is a great airport but KL are hard work. Fortunately MH use AMS as it's European hub so you only get fed onto KL for the hops over here. Not a fan of DXB or EK.
I use FRA a lot and quite like the place. Also got the MUC option on LH.
A dose of realism
Mickyman - spot on. I sometime wonder just how much financial / economic nowse some posters have. I guess that a fair few aren't actually old enough to be in control of a household, let alone corporate budget!
Regional airports, in the current economic climate are lucky to hang on to what they have, long haul wise. When times are tough there will always be a gravitation toward high yield, capital city airports. Thats not to say the MAN / BHX and the like might not pick up the odd new route.
Regional airports, in the current economic climate are lucky to hang on to what they have, long haul wise. When times are tough there will always be a gravitation toward high yield, capital city airports. Thats not to say the MAN / BHX and the like might not pick up the odd new route.
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To change the subject to a bit closer to home, Flight Support take over the ramp for Flybe off Ringway this coming Sunday, im told.
One of the biggist airlines for movements in MAN, its going to be good to see if they coped as well as they did when they took the contract over in the first place.
One of the biggist airlines for movements in MAN, its going to be good to see if they coped as well as they did when they took the contract over in the first place.
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Busiest May?
Against the backdrop of stagnation and falls in passenger numbers, could we have the busiest ever May at Manchester? With the UEFA cup final at COMS being potentially contested by two continental based teams and the possibility of a United v Liverpool final in Moscow meaning lots of extra flights out, it could be a good month for MAN. Any thoughts??
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Stand Changes/Work in Progess
As you will have gathered from previous posts I appear to have an avid interest with regards to planned development at the airport. As a result I thought the following might be of use:
UK AIP effective 8th May 2008
Stands 12/14/56/57/SB1/SB2/SB3 withdrawn from use. I assume 56/57 is due to the constrction work refered to lower down.
Intermediate stopbar N1 introduced abeam stand 66 - if illuminated, then I am sure that ATC will love the fact that there will at last be a stop-point between NA1 and D6 in LVPs!!
Work in progress shows where Males garage was previously situated. I seem to recall both FlyZB and Roverman refering to this area being for the construction of 3 737 size stands (for completion by September?)
Also not noted elsewhere is the fact that the design contract for the new tower has been placed with CPMG Architects. CPMG have previous ATC experience, having been responsible for EMA tower and also the design for the new BHX facility.
Roverman, a question for you - if RET JB is WFU, then why does it show on the May charts? Purely an inquisitive enquiry!!
Scottie Dog
UK AIP effective 8th May 2008
Stands 12/14/56/57/SB1/SB2/SB3 withdrawn from use. I assume 56/57 is due to the constrction work refered to lower down.
Intermediate stopbar N1 introduced abeam stand 66 - if illuminated, then I am sure that ATC will love the fact that there will at last be a stop-point between NA1 and D6 in LVPs!!
Work in progress shows where Males garage was previously situated. I seem to recall both FlyZB and Roverman refering to this area being for the construction of 3 737 size stands (for completion by September?)
Also not noted elsewhere is the fact that the design contract for the new tower has been placed with CPMG Architects. CPMG have previous ATC experience, having been responsible for EMA tower and also the design for the new BHX facility.
Roverman, a question for you - if RET JB is WFU, then why does it show on the May charts? Purely an inquisitive enquiry!!
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No Growth at MAN in 2008 says Airport Boss
From UK Airport News
Manchester Airports Group chief executive Geoff Muirhead has said that slower growth in the airline industry and increased taxes on passengers is set to take its toll on the business over the next 12 months.
Speaking at a regional economic discussion organised by the CBI last week, he said he was ‘not anticipating any growth at all’ this year at Manchester Airport, but MAG's smaller regional airports including Humberside, Bournemouth and East Midlands should fare slightly better due to the fact that they served more of the low cost airlines.
He said: ‘Last year was the first year I can remember in the aviation industry where growth has been down to 3 percent, except when there has been a major economic shock,’ adding that average growth rates for aviation over the past 30 years have been closer to 7 percent.
Mr Muirhead said the Government's doubling of Air Passenger Duty rates last year as a factor in slowing growth. He said: ‘It is a £2.5bn tax on the aviation industry and I think it's getting to a tipping point where it's really quite challenging in respect of the UK's competitiveness. We cannot compete as a trading nation if we don't facilitate people getting around to actually do the trading. Nothing is without its cost, as we saw a few years ago when pension funds were targeted.’
He also argued that demand would be weakened by increasing pressures on consumer spending, saying: ‘The things you have no choice about — food, energy, transport — those are going up at horrendous rates.’
Discuss.
Suzeman
Manchester Airports Group chief executive Geoff Muirhead has said that slower growth in the airline industry and increased taxes on passengers is set to take its toll on the business over the next 12 months.
Speaking at a regional economic discussion organised by the CBI last week, he said he was ‘not anticipating any growth at all’ this year at Manchester Airport, but MAG's smaller regional airports including Humberside, Bournemouth and East Midlands should fare slightly better due to the fact that they served more of the low cost airlines.
He said: ‘Last year was the first year I can remember in the aviation industry where growth has been down to 3 percent, except when there has been a major economic shock,’ adding that average growth rates for aviation over the past 30 years have been closer to 7 percent.
Mr Muirhead said the Government's doubling of Air Passenger Duty rates last year as a factor in slowing growth. He said: ‘It is a £2.5bn tax on the aviation industry and I think it's getting to a tipping point where it's really quite challenging in respect of the UK's competitiveness. We cannot compete as a trading nation if we don't facilitate people getting around to actually do the trading. Nothing is without its cost, as we saw a few years ago when pension funds were targeted.’
He also argued that demand would be weakened by increasing pressures on consumer spending, saying: ‘The things you have no choice about — food, energy, transport — those are going up at horrendous rates.’
Discuss.
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UK AIP Charts
JB is probably not shown as WFU in the latest AIP because AIS require a longer period to process chart amendments than text. It'll probably show in the next published amendment.
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This whole growth thing continues to amaze me. The continued growth rate of 7% is going to come from where?
Starting with the business market. Increased use of e.mail, video conferencing has boomed since 9/11 when many organisations looked at the travel problems and found alternative ways to replace some of their meetings. Astra Zeneca for example, who are big users of the airport restriced many staff to a set number of trips to cust down on costs and uses alternative ways of doing business. The numner of people who find a day buiness trip frustrating with security and delays and simply cut down on travel.
As for the leisure market, well most peole have a fixed number of days holiday per annum. Start with a two week summer trip and a standard generalisation and then you have traditionally seen possibly one or two other trips a year. The growth of low cost airlines and changes in travel patters have seen the average summer holiday duration drop and with an increase in the number of short breaks through the year. This change has happened and unless there is a rapid increase in the uk population or we all get extra days holidays there is a finite number of times you are able to travel.
The fall in Sterling coupled with the rise of flight costs from what will in time been seen as an all time low will see the number of short breaks being reduced as consumers have to fund increases in other costs and Muirhead rightly says.
The long haul future is for carriers who can feed into a network such at Etihead, Qatar, Delta and others.
Starting with the business market. Increased use of e.mail, video conferencing has boomed since 9/11 when many organisations looked at the travel problems and found alternative ways to replace some of their meetings. Astra Zeneca for example, who are big users of the airport restriced many staff to a set number of trips to cust down on costs and uses alternative ways of doing business. The numner of people who find a day buiness trip frustrating with security and delays and simply cut down on travel.
As for the leisure market, well most peole have a fixed number of days holiday per annum. Start with a two week summer trip and a standard generalisation and then you have traditionally seen possibly one or two other trips a year. The growth of low cost airlines and changes in travel patters have seen the average summer holiday duration drop and with an increase in the number of short breaks through the year. This change has happened and unless there is a rapid increase in the uk population or we all get extra days holidays there is a finite number of times you are able to travel.
The fall in Sterling coupled with the rise of flight costs from what will in time been seen as an all time low will see the number of short breaks being reduced as consumers have to fund increases in other costs and Muirhead rightly says.
The long haul future is for carriers who can feed into a network such at Etihead, Qatar, Delta and others.
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So Geoff is disappointed at 3% growth? Many industries would love 3% growth. UK PLC won't even see 3% growth this year, and nor will my or many other people's pay packets - don't mention RHSL at this point.
He's playing a bit of "it was better in the good old days" here - another sign of losing a bit more of what little grip he ever had on running the company. For example, I could play the same game right back at him, by saying: "bring back Sir Gil". About as useful, I'd suggest.
Dear Rowena has seen the signs and moved on to safer things - it really is time Geoff did the same and let some modern-thinking managers in - for goodness' sake he's been in the job 15 years this year, and has he yet realised just how much the world has changed in that time? 15 years ago we didn't have mass access to the internet (video conferencing, online booking etc) nor viable low cost carriers, nor reasonable domestic competition from the rail network, nor the security restrictions due to the real or imagined terror threat that HM Govt keeps stoking up to keep the populace subdued, nor a robust environmental industry etc etc.
MAPLC is comparable to BL, IBM, BT and other ageing monoliths. It just needs Tom Peters to write a book about it to put the final nail in the coffin.
This man is so tackling the problem from the wrong end.
He's playing a bit of "it was better in the good old days" here - another sign of losing a bit more of what little grip he ever had on running the company. For example, I could play the same game right back at him, by saying: "bring back Sir Gil". About as useful, I'd suggest.
Dear Rowena has seen the signs and moved on to safer things - it really is time Geoff did the same and let some modern-thinking managers in - for goodness' sake he's been in the job 15 years this year, and has he yet realised just how much the world has changed in that time? 15 years ago we didn't have mass access to the internet (video conferencing, online booking etc) nor viable low cost carriers, nor reasonable domestic competition from the rail network, nor the security restrictions due to the real or imagined terror threat that HM Govt keeps stoking up to keep the populace subdued, nor a robust environmental industry etc etc.
MAPLC is comparable to BL, IBM, BT and other ageing monoliths. It just needs Tom Peters to write a book about it to put the final nail in the coffin.
This man is so tackling the problem from the wrong end.
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And some other things:
1 MAPLC spent most of the 90s sucking up to both Labour and the Tories: they got planning permission for R2 from the Tories before they left office, and they largely wrote the Aviation White Paper for Labour, which has encouraged growth in regional airports. To criticise Labour's economic policy now (whether justified or not) is pure hypocrisy.
2 People need transport in the sense of needing to get to work or the shops. For many people, they don't need air transport. They used to want it when they (leisure) or their employer (business) had disposable income. I think Geoff is now finding out the size of the difference between want and need, and it's bigger than he expected.
1 MAPLC spent most of the 90s sucking up to both Labour and the Tories: they got planning permission for R2 from the Tories before they left office, and they largely wrote the Aviation White Paper for Labour, which has encouraged growth in regional airports. To criticise Labour's economic policy now (whether justified or not) is pure hypocrisy.
2 People need transport in the sense of needing to get to work or the shops. For many people, they don't need air transport. They used to want it when they (leisure) or their employer (business) had disposable income. I think Geoff is now finding out the size of the difference between want and need, and it's bigger than he expected.
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It's going to be an eventful next couple of weeks at MAN in terms of happenings from around the terminals, with the redevelopment work shaping up nicely. I shall try and keep you all informed with what's going on behind the scenes as much as I can.
The new T1 security area will be open Monday 28th April if all goes to plan. I had a sneaky peak this morning and it looks great. Bright, spacious and most importantly, plenty of x-rays! Work has started now on putting up a frosted glass screen at the bottom of the ramp and this of course will be the new landside/airside divider. Work on the new staff channel next to check-in desk 2 is also nearing completion.
With regards to T3, the airport have now done a u-turn and have decided to operate a bus service between T3, T1 and the station. This will run every 10 minutes between 0400-2200. The creation of an undercover walkway between T1 & T3 is still going ahead for passengers/staff who wish to walk and for people who are travelling outside of the operational bus times.
The new T1 security area will be open Monday 28th April if all goes to plan. I had a sneaky peak this morning and it looks great. Bright, spacious and most importantly, plenty of x-rays! Work has started now on putting up a frosted glass screen at the bottom of the ramp and this of course will be the new landside/airside divider. Work on the new staff channel next to check-in desk 2 is also nearing completion.
With regards to T3, the airport have now done a u-turn and have decided to operate a bus service between T3, T1 and the station. This will run every 10 minutes between 0400-2200. The creation of an undercover walkway between T1 & T3 is still going ahead for passengers/staff who wish to walk and for people who are travelling outside of the operational bus times.