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QR tried to wait it out on Sunday and circle but ran low on fuel and had to go to LGW. One of the CO flights went to DUB. SQ decided to go straight to LHR, which was proving a decent decision as we were pushing back more or less on time.
Then the ham fisted tug operators seemed to get a bit giddy.
After pushing back without incident, they proceeded to drag us forward when there was a number of load bangs and then a juddering halt. Cue everyone in the J cabin and the crew up that end all looking around saying WTF was that.
We got towed back to gate (212) and ended up with a tyre change and left an hour and a half late.
Rather surprisingly J was less than half full (first time I've seen that in a LONG time) presumably (and hopefully) due to Easter Sunday. My inbound SQ328 last week was completely full as usual.
Then the ham fisted tug operators seemed to get a bit giddy.
After pushing back without incident, they proceeded to drag us forward when there was a number of load bangs and then a juddering halt. Cue everyone in the J cabin and the crew up that end all looking around saying WTF was that.We got towed back to gate (212) and ended up with a tyre change and left an hour and a half late.
Rather surprisingly J was less than half full (first time I've seen that in a LONG time) presumably (and hopefully) due to Easter Sunday. My inbound SQ328 last week was completely full as usual.
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I bet it is more to do with the fact that LY have seen what a massively profitable success TOM have made of Tel Aviv from MAN and want a piece of the action!
There was a very well known petition in the local Jewish community which aimed to put pressure on LY to return, maybe that has been a factor aswell.
What did they used to operate? Twice a week or so? What were the timings?
There was a very well known petition in the local Jewish community which aimed to put pressure on LY to return, maybe that has been a factor aswell.
What did they used to operate? Twice a week or so? What were the timings?
EL AL
They operated for a number of years with varying frequencies & sometimes with a 747 !
I'm surprised they haven't returned to Manchester before now. If they do, I can see TOM doing a runner. It doesn't fit in with their new bucket & spade policy, dropping all city routes.
BMI are also doing very well on the TLV-LHR route. Shame BMI are so dull & didn't pick up the MAN route at the same time. There are opportunities for BMI mainline from MAN if only they would show some bottle. Some routes could be done with "W" flights from LHR based aircraft & crew.
I'm surprised they haven't returned to Manchester before now. If they do, I can see TOM doing a runner. It doesn't fit in with their new bucket & spade policy, dropping all city routes.
BMI are also doing very well on the TLV-LHR route. Shame BMI are so dull & didn't pick up the MAN route at the same time. There are opportunities for BMI mainline from MAN if only they would show some bottle. Some routes could be done with "W" flights from LHR based aircraft & crew.
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Final comment on the subject of snow
Speaking as one with some experience of airfield snow clearing operations -
Shed, your comments are very sound and spot on. The UK wet snow and marginal freezing conditions is much more difficult to handle than typical Scandinavian / North American scenarios. There IS a 'wrong type of snow' and that is what we usually get.
The question often asked by the partially-informed is "you knew it was coming, why weren't you ready for it?". There is a simple answer to this - whilst good forecasting is a bonus, you cannot begin clearing snow until it has fallen.
Shed, your comments are very sound and spot on. The UK wet snow and marginal freezing conditions is much more difficult to handle than typical Scandinavian / North American scenarios. There IS a 'wrong type of snow' and that is what we usually get.
The question often asked by the partially-informed is "you knew it was coming, why weren't you ready for it?". There is a simple answer to this - whilst good forecasting is a bonus, you cannot begin clearing snow until it has fallen.
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Bmi should do something like;
first flight up from LHR with midhaul config A320, then 3 times a week MAN-TLV-MAN, 2 times a week MAN-DME-MAN(UN codeshare) and 2 times a week MAN-CAI-MAN(MS codeshare) and then operate the last one back down to LHR. Would give the MAN crews a slice of the midhaul action, with nightstops in Cairo and Tel Aviv whilst filling in 3 currently un(+der)served potential routes.
Regards
Mike
first flight up from LHR with midhaul config A320, then 3 times a week MAN-TLV-MAN, 2 times a week MAN-DME-MAN(UN codeshare) and 2 times a week MAN-CAI-MAN(MS codeshare) and then operate the last one back down to LHR. Would give the MAN crews a slice of the midhaul action, with nightstops in Cairo and Tel Aviv whilst filling in 3 currently un(+der)served potential routes.
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Mike
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Yes I remember them well, usually because I used to miss them being at work in Manchester, Oh well!
Do you remember when they used the Sun D`or B707s if we are going dream again
Do you remember when they used the Sun D`or B707s if we are going dream again
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Ahhhhhh Sun D'or B707's ....remember them well...used to be every Sunday afternoon....Happy days..... Can't remember the 747's though.......they have used 767,757,707 and 737-200 in the past!
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I was a young spotty plane spotter in shorts in the early 70s. One winters morning at primary school in Cheadle (3 miles centreline runway 24 MANCHESTER) I remember shouting out in excitement to the teacher and class as I saw an ELAL 747 turning onto finals over Stockport. Our whole class and others poured out onto the playground to watch it glide by.
I think it was one of the first 747s to visit MAN, having diverted due fog at LHR.
Ahh happy days.
I think it was one of the first 747s to visit MAN, having diverted due fog at LHR.
Ahh happy days.
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EL AL
Yes 747's did pop up here sporadically throughout LY's operations at MAN although a lot of the time it was standard 2x weekly 757 and 767 ops. They did operate to Eilat for a very short time too (mid-90's I think) as well as Tel Aviv.
I think for Tel Aviv to have any medium to long term prospects from MAN you would need someone like LY to resume services. As Mr A Tis suggests although it might be doing well for them so far, Tel Aviv doesn't really fit the Thomsonfly model now most of the city pairs have been canned to refocus on the charter market.
I think for Tel Aviv to have any medium to long term prospects from MAN you would need someone like LY to resume services. As Mr A Tis suggests although it might be doing well for them so far, Tel Aviv doesn't really fit the Thomsonfly model now most of the city pairs have been canned to refocus on the charter market.
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CabinCrew
That was an old EL AL cargo aircraft operating a single visit for Tesis.
Various:
The fog diversion was precisely that!
I would be interested if any of you spotters can provide some dates
for EL AL B747's operating a passenger service into MAN at any time.
MM
That was an old EL AL cargo aircraft operating a single visit for Tesis.
Various:
The fog diversion was precisely that!
I would be interested if any of you spotters can provide some dates
for EL AL B747's operating a passenger service into MAN at any time.
MM
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Potted History
El-AL operated a series of charter flights and STARTED with the B747 into Manchester flight number was LY5317 operated on Tuesdays in the eighties for about two years then changed to a Sunday with a B707 in Sundor colours usually 4X-ATY finally went scheduled with a mix of of B767/B757 on Tuesdays and Thursdays (via Brussels or Amsterdam !). Service stopped as a result on interfada and economic downturn is Israel long with several other marginal routes.
El-AL operated a series of charter flights and STARTED with the B747 into Manchester flight number was LY5317 operated on Tuesdays in the eighties for about two years then changed to a Sunday with a B707 in Sundor colours usually 4X-ATY finally went scheduled with a mix of of B767/B757 on Tuesdays and Thursdays (via Brussels or Amsterdam !). Service stopped as a result on interfada and economic downturn is Israel long with several other marginal routes.
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i remember el al coming into man. regularly every tuesday sometime during the early 80s.for a season. it used to arrive from gatwick late morning.this was before the regular schedule got started.great sight from under the flightpath.
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Question time
Question for anyone......
Is Manchester ready for the A380 ??? I noticed that the nearest it has been to Manchester was the fly-by at Hawarden, seem to remember that Airbus brought the A340 here on its worldwide tour but no sign of the A380??
Also heard that last week during bad weather at EGLL the SQ A380 was looking at alternatives and was told that Manchester would not accept and that she had to go to EDDF !!!
If EGCC aint ready is thier any timetable as to when it will be ???
Cheers
Is Manchester ready for the A380 ??? I noticed that the nearest it has been to Manchester was the fly-by at Hawarden, seem to remember that Airbus brought the A340 here on its worldwide tour but no sign of the A380??
Also heard that last week during bad weather at EGLL the SQ A380 was looking at alternatives and was told that Manchester would not accept and that she had to go to EDDF !!!
If EGCC aint ready is thier any timetable as to when it will be ???
Cheers
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Not certain but wasn't there talk of creating an A380 stand at the east end of T3 by modifying Stand 55? Plenty of plans for apron development in that area which have planning permission, but no idea of management timescales...