DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 4
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With all of the publicity surrounding this development it would appear that something is about to happen in the very near future.Although these announcements are always full of bull and figures quoted are always best scenarios I think that even if Peel are 50% correct in their assumptions it will be a huge coup for MME over NCL and LBA who see themselves as the premier airports in all respects in the north and south of the region.
We have been waiting for 30 years for something of this size to happen so I think we should give them 6 to 12 months to see what actually happens.
If nothing else it will give the right signals to Ryanair, Wizz etc on the scheduled services and also to the Charter people. Unfortunately I think that if this amount of freight will be arriving and presumeably leaving I think that the balsa wood plane people will be forced out as they will be taking up too much runway time.
We have been waiting for 30 years for something of this size to happen so I think we should give them 6 to 12 months to see what actually happens.
If nothing else it will give the right signals to Ryanair, Wizz etc on the scheduled services and also to the Charter people. Unfortunately I think that if this amount of freight will be arriving and presumeably leaving I think that the balsa wood plane people will be forced out as they will be taking up too much runway time.
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"We predict airlines will move out of London airports to the regions and we have to add more value than just being a point of discharge for passengers.”
Dream on.....Airlines have already moved out of London look at East Midlands and Manchester for freight!
Dream on.....Airlines have already moved out of London look at East Midlands and Manchester for freight!
quote "Unfortunately I think that if this amount of freight will be arriving and presumeably leaving I think that the balsa wood plane people will be forced out as they will be taking up too much runway time."
Just to put these figures into context - the target for 2015 is 26,000t, which accoring to the Manston thread is slightly less than they are doing now. I think DTVA could cope with the amount of traffic Manston is getting without disrupting other types of traffic too much...
2007 CAA stats for selected airports - includes all freight and mail (tonnes):
Name total
HEATHROW 1,393,242.57
NOTTINGHAM EAST MIDLANDS INT'L 302,704.31
STANSTED 225,314.96
GATWICK 176,666.21
MANCHESTER 166,130.90
BELFAST INTERNATIONAL 49,885.76
EDINBURGH 45,899.51
LUTON 38,095.44
PRESTWICK 31,517.35
KENT INTERNATIONAL 28,370.60
NEWCASTLE 9,268.15
COVENTRY 9,172.16
DURHAM TEES VALLEY 790.21
Just to put these figures into context - the target for 2015 is 26,000t, which accoring to the Manston thread is slightly less than they are doing now. I think DTVA could cope with the amount of traffic Manston is getting without disrupting other types of traffic too much...
2007 CAA stats for selected airports - includes all freight and mail (tonnes):
Name total
HEATHROW 1,393,242.57
NOTTINGHAM EAST MIDLANDS INT'L 302,704.31
STANSTED 225,314.96
GATWICK 176,666.21
MANCHESTER 166,130.90
BELFAST INTERNATIONAL 49,885.76
EDINBURGH 45,899.51
LUTON 38,095.44
PRESTWICK 31,517.35
KENT INTERNATIONAL 28,370.60
NEWCASTLE 9,268.15
COVENTRY 9,172.16
DURHAM TEES VALLEY 790.21
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I don't think Manston and DTV are similar in any way. From what little I have seen of Manston in passing it does not appear to have very many commercial passenger flights but a very large private plane (balsa wood and beyond ) community.It is also a nightmare to access anywhere but the South East tip of England and the outskirts of south London by road. In contrast it is easier and quicker in most circumstances to service the Thames valley from Teesside than there.
I really think that Peel should be given a chance to but meat on the bones of their idea before being negative about their efforts.
Remember the glass should always be half full rather than half empty.
I really think that Peel should be given a chance to but meat on the bones of their idea before being negative about their efforts.
Remember the glass should always be half full rather than half empty.
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Bit more detail from the Evening Gazette:
"Airport md Hugh Lang said the park, which will have airside access, would help it reach a 2015 target to take cargo through the terminal from 1,000t pa to 26,000t. It also complemented plans to develop airside facilities, including maintenance hangers and passenger handling improvements.
“The whole North-east is under-serviced in terms of airfreight,” said Mr Lang. “Newcastle is only doing 2,000t pa. Most of it is consolidated freight from Heathrow or London Stansted. We see an increase in airfreight moving out of London due to capacity problems. We predict airlines will move out of London airports to the regions and we have to add more value than just being a point of discharge for passengers.”
"Airport md Hugh Lang said the park, which will have airside access, would help it reach a 2015 target to take cargo through the terminal from 1,000t pa to 26,000t. It also complemented plans to develop airside facilities, including maintenance hangers and passenger handling improvements.
“The whole North-east is under-serviced in terms of airfreight,” said Mr Lang. “Newcastle is only doing 2,000t pa. Most of it is consolidated freight from Heathrow or London Stansted. We see an increase in airfreight moving out of London due to capacity problems. We predict airlines will move out of London airports to the regions and we have to add more value than just being a point of discharge for passengers.”
Where on earth did them stats come from!?!?
ncl has EK taking up to 14t per day royal mail have 2*737's and 1*F27 taking mail out 5days a week normally in excess of 8-10 tons in and out, we have Fed-Ex which takes in excess of 1000kgs 4 times per week SN handles around about 200-800 kgs a week ....
its safe too say 2000pa is a complete load of rubblish!!!!!
Probably CAA stats - EK and FedEx have only started in the last six months or so, and mail is recorded seperately from freight, so his figures are (were!) about right depending on what annual period you use.
CAA figures for calender year 2007
NCL - NEWCASTLE - Sched frt 633.451 Charter frt 151.557 Sched mail 1.231 Charter mail 8,481.915
MME - DURHAM TEES VALLEY- Sched frt 0.052 Charter frt 786.012 Sched mail 0 Charter mail 4.146
CAA figures for calender year 2007
NCL - NEWCASTLE - Sched frt 633.451 Charter frt 151.557 Sched mail 1.231 Charter mail 8,481.915
MME - DURHAM TEES VALLEY- Sched frt 0.052 Charter frt 786.012 Sched mail 0 Charter mail 4.146
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Quoted freight figures for NCL by HL.
Just shows how out of touch the DTV management is.
NCL is doing more than 10,000T of Air freight these days, excluding mail. HL might be in the ballpark re the amount of FLOWN airfreight out of NCL excluding the new volumes carried by EK but is way out on the total.
The NCL freight centre handles more trucks than planes; it has done for years and will continue to do so. Most of this is destined for long haul operators ex the larger hubs of LHR, LGW and MAN.
Paarmo, I do like your optimism but how many airports, with plenty of capacity, are nearer the Thames Valley than DTV? Think DTV will be a long, long, long way down anyones list of potential bases if they get pushed away from the London Airports.
Just shows how out of touch the DTV management is.
NCL is doing more than 10,000T of Air freight these days, excluding mail. HL might be in the ballpark re the amount of FLOWN airfreight out of NCL excluding the new volumes carried by EK but is way out on the total.
The NCL freight centre handles more trucks than planes; it has done for years and will continue to do so. Most of this is destined for long haul operators ex the larger hubs of LHR, LGW and MAN.
Paarmo, I do like your optimism but how many airports, with plenty of capacity, are nearer the Thames Valley than DTV? Think DTV will be a long, long, long way down anyones list of potential bases if they get pushed away from the London Airports.
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The use of the Thames Valley was merely an illustration as to how remote in road terms Manston was. I think you will agree that when Operation Stack blocks the motorway into the channel ports then the South East tip of England ceases to move. Even on a good day the area is gridlocked for a large proportion of the day. It really dosen't illustrate what Peel want to do at Teesside.
If Peel are borrowing the money to develop this area of the airport then their proposal to their backers( Banks? ) can not have been a million miles away from their press release and follow up interviews. I saw Lang myself on TV and he specifically stated that " Blue Chip " Companies were being targetted and that the development was to be primarilly Air based.
If the money is coming from a PLC and this is found to be incorrect then I believe that Peel would be in more trouble than they would ever dare to imagine.
I really do think they should be given a chance to get on and show what is going to happen.
If Peel are borrowing the money to develop this area of the airport then their proposal to their backers( Banks? ) can not have been a million miles away from their press release and follow up interviews. I saw Lang myself on TV and he specifically stated that " Blue Chip " Companies were being targetted and that the development was to be primarilly Air based.
If the money is coming from a PLC and this is found to be incorrect then I believe that Peel would be in more trouble than they would ever dare to imagine.
I really do think they should be given a chance to get on and show what is going to happen.
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" Blue Chip " Companies were being targetted
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The MME website just says not data available. However, Saturday was just a farce. My friends were flying out on the FR to ALC. The aircraft was over 30 minutes early landing at MME from ALC. Check in opened over 20 minutes late, and one girl was checking in the whole flight as staff had rang in sick. The flight totally missed it's slot and took off well late. I wouldn't be surprised if they have closed the airport first thing in the morning until they know for sure exactly how many staff will decide to turn up. BTW, did Circusair get rid of any staff when they took over Aviance's handling and if so, how many?
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Newcastle is actually in talks with both CO and DL re NYC service. Although the ensuing global financial crisis should put a stop to anything being launched anytime soon.
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Hope this isn't too cheeky asking this quesiton here, just wondering if any of you knew what sort of facilites are open at MME at anti-social hours? I'm getting the 6:00am flight to Amsterdam next week and for various reasons it looks like i'm gonna have to arrive a couple of hours before check in. It seems a bit pointless booking a hotel for a few hours, will I be able to get into the terminal building and if so will their be a cafe/bar open?
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The glass is still half full
DTV advertising heavily on local TV. Globespan the same. Anouncements of investment on an unprecented scale ( in line with similar investments by PD Ports at Teesport ) and still the doom and gloom experts are not happy.
We should be lauding the good parts of DTV rather than running it down or staying quiet hoping for a fall.
Mind you I was almost caught out last night trying to book car parking by the £2.50 booking charge on the DTV website. Consider this, I use the quick self service check out at my local Tesco and I have to pay extra for serving myself,I think not. I used a search engine to find other companies offering the same price without a booking charge of any sort and paid the same car park price. Are DTV trying it on or are they being a bit simple. Nonetheless I think that things may be looking up at last.
Hopefully the people in the airside food and drink services will follow the optimism of my post and give reasonable and prompt service to me instead of the surly offhand service I have experienced in the near past. After all if you don't want to work in the Service Indisutry get a job somewhere else.
We should be lauding the good parts of DTV rather than running it down or staying quiet hoping for a fall.
Mind you I was almost caught out last night trying to book car parking by the £2.50 booking charge on the DTV website. Consider this, I use the quick self service check out at my local Tesco and I have to pay extra for serving myself,I think not. I used a search engine to find other companies offering the same price without a booking charge of any sort and paid the same car park price. Are DTV trying it on or are they being a bit simple. Nonetheless I think that things may be looking up at last.
Hopefully the people in the airside food and drink services will follow the optimism of my post and give reasonable and prompt service to me instead of the surly offhand service I have experienced in the near past. After all if you don't want to work in the Service Indisutry get a job somewhere else.