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Surely the cost of diversions and the loss of revenue should outweigh the cost of paying for a calibrator. We need a clear unequivocal statement from the IAA as to why Cork has been left without CAT 2 for over two weeks. Whatever about Shannon there is no way that this would be tolerated at Dublin.
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Looks like someone from the IAA is a PPRuNe reader! This just showed up on their website. Not looking good...
Irish Aviation Authority - Possible disruption to flights at Cork Airport
Irish Aviation Authority - Possible disruption to flights at Cork Airport
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very strange IAA statement issued 2 weeks after problem began. if it took that length of time to discover it, cork can look forward to no ILS for some time yet
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No indication of why the Landing instrument has been u/s for two weeks or what they intend to do about it. Maybe the airlines will start complaining after today's disruption.
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very strange IAA statement issued 2 weeks after problem began. if it took that length of time to discover it, cork can look forward to no ILS for some time yet
Yet again, today has turned into another day of abject shame for Cork Airport with aviators being put into the position of having to attempt tailwind approaches in low visibility and winds out of limits, lengthy holds and the almost inevitable diversion later to other competitor airfields. All while Minisiter Varadkar says the priority must be rest with the midwest airfield's independence.
Another buffoon of a Transport Minister in a long, long line of buffoon Transport Ministers.
I think that it is high time there was a forensic investigation into the operations of the DAA and IAA
Another buffoon of a Transport Minister in a long, long line of buffoon Transport Ministers.
I think that it is high time there was a forensic investigation into the operations of the DAA and IAA
Investigations into the DAA, CAA and IAA are long over due. Branch reform is needed in all boards.
No indication of why the Landing instrument has been u/s for two weeks or what they intend to do about it.
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IAA need to be told that Cork simply cannot afford to be without an ILS for the peak Summer Month of August. Airlines are on very tight margins. The far off days of the 70's and 80's when cosy cartels could pass the losses on to the customers by charging rip off fares are over.
The question that needs to be asked is why are the IAA waiting untill September to deal with this issue? Surely it must be technically possible to address the problem now.
The question that needs to be asked is why are the IAA waiting untill September to deal with this issue? Surely it must be technically possible to address the problem now.
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Cork 17 ILS performance
Out of curiousity, what was/is the problem with Cork 17 ILS? And how did it demonstrate itself? Did it shut down or alarm; or was it as a result of airborne reports?
Probably totally unrelated but, if I recall correctly, in the early '90s there used to be an occasional anomaly with some smaller Aer Lingus aircraft and traced to the nature of the pre-threshold terrain and auto-pilot gear-change height.
It seems unusual to have outages with modern equipment so no doubt it has aroused interest and possibly concern..
Unless the failing is within the equipment itself which subsequently needs repair or replacement is not the question of priority for recalibration a question within the calibration contract itself rather than with the IAA?
Hope it is sorted, reapproved soon. Even Cat 1 would be a help.
Probably totally unrelated but, if I recall correctly, in the early '90s there used to be an occasional anomaly with some smaller Aer Lingus aircraft and traced to the nature of the pre-threshold terrain and auto-pilot gear-change height.
It seems unusual to have outages with modern equipment so no doubt it has aroused interest and possibly concern..
Unless the failing is within the equipment itself which subsequently needs repair or replacement is not the question of priority for recalibration a question within the calibration contract itself rather than with the IAA?
Hope it is sorted, reapproved soon. Even Cat 1 would be a help.
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Is the caibration contract not with the IAA rather than the DAA. In any event I'm sure there are calibrators in France or Germany if the UK one isn't available. I know that cost is an issue but the level of disruption could be very high if the weather closes in again.
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Yesterdays problems have caused Air Contractors to lease an aircraft and crew to operate a flight and put passengers and crew up in hotels for 2 nights. Its not acceptable for airlines to have to cover costs like this as the majority can't afford it. I also can't see FR patience lasting much longer. As Ryan said if it happend at Dublin it would be fixed right away.
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Out of curiousity, what was/is the problem with Cork 17 ILS?
Yesterdays problems have caused Air Contractors to lease an aircraft and crew to operate a flight and put passengers and crew up in hotels for 2 nights. Its not acceptable for airlines to have to cover costs like this as the majority can't afford it. I also can't see FR patience lasting much longer. As Ryan said if it happend at Dublin it would be fixed right away.
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Irish Aviation Authority - Cork Airport update
Looks like the IAA are finally doing something about the ILS
Looks like the IAA are finally doing something about the ILS
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Aer Wizz Air fighting back aginst FR. From 1 November the second weekly ORK-WRO will restart. Fares are well cheeper than FR on the route.
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They're playing exactly the same game with Ryanair as Ryanair are with them on a few routes from the winter season onwards I have heard with a little bit more to come in that regard.
It's not going to be sustainable for them to do it long term you would have thought, as they would not have dropped it to once a week if the yields were holding up. It's all about trying to become the dominant carrier on the route and obviously with FR having flights twice a week they wanted to keep up with that.
I'd say this time next year most of these Ryanair/Wizzair competition routes from Cork will not be at the combined frequency they are now, from having flew from Ireland to Poland many times for several purposes and seeing loads I'd say Wroclaw and Gdansk they'd manage at best 3 flights a week between both operators, with Warsaw being able to support at least 4.
Katowice is an interesting one because of it's close proximity to Krakow, an airport where Ryanair have very strong brand awareness and customer base and have seen several airlines off there in the last few years on a few routes so I would imagine that would be the most difficult one for Wizz to win.
It's not going to be sustainable for them to do it long term you would have thought, as they would not have dropped it to once a week if the yields were holding up. It's all about trying to become the dominant carrier on the route and obviously with FR having flights twice a week they wanted to keep up with that.
I'd say this time next year most of these Ryanair/Wizzair competition routes from Cork will not be at the combined frequency they are now, from having flew from Ireland to Poland many times for several purposes and seeing loads I'd say Wroclaw and Gdansk they'd manage at best 3 flights a week between both operators, with Warsaw being able to support at least 4.
Katowice is an interesting one because of it's close proximity to Krakow, an airport where Ryanair have very strong brand awareness and customer base and have seen several airlines off there in the last few years on a few routes so I would imagine that would be the most difficult one for Wizz to win.
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Looks like the IAA are finally doing something about the ILS