IRELAND WEST AIRPORT KNOCK
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Exactly I really hope the airport are pursuing Flybe for Manchester, in my opinion they're a perfect fit and could have a lot more to offer in the future. I also wouldn't rule out EI either.
It would be great for Ryanair to take it up but it doesn't offer anything new, what Knock needs is connectivity something EI and Flybe have to a small extent in man.
It would be great for Ryanair to take it up but it doesn't offer anything new, what Knock needs is connectivity something EI and Flybe have to a small extent in man.
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It took just under 2 hours after departure from LGW to divert to LHR.
One thing the airprot need to improve on is updating the Live Flight info on website.
At 7 this evening it was showing Aer Lingus arrival and departure to LGW as Delayed when it was cancelled hours before that.
One thing the airprot need to improve on is updating the Live Flight info on website.
At 7 this evening it was showing Aer Lingus arrival and departure to LGW as Delayed when it was cancelled hours before that.
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Couple of unusual visitors, presumably private charter? Swiftair arrival on the board today from Pamplona. Also Swiss air ambulance made another visit last week, their Bombardier 604 was in last summer also.
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If the MANNOC route is vacant then I'm sure that BE might take a look but I don't expect you'll see a E95 anytime soon. BE go for business frequency over capacity so much more likely to get a twice daily DH4 if anything.
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Well knock man is mainly a leisure route. during the winter months ww operated 4 per week with 737 300 149 seater giving just under 1200 seats per wk.
A daily e195 would give 1652 however the extra 450 seats could be justified with having a 7 day week service which would be more appealing to travellers and compete with aer arann in Galway.
A daily e195 would give 1652 however the extra 450 seats could be justified with having a 7 day week service which would be more appealing to travellers and compete with aer arann in Galway.
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Well it looks like ryanair are to announce a base at man according to the man/ryanair thread. So i would be very surprised if they didn't take the noc route.
Would have liked to have seen flybe but fr will produce the volumes the airport needs .I would hope to see a daily service which would be possible as ww were four weekly to man and lba was 3 wkly with fr.
Would have liked to have seen flybe but fr will produce the volumes the airport needs .I would hope to see a daily service which would be possible as ww were four weekly to man and lba was 3 wkly with fr.
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I'm sure FR will make a good go of MAN, hopefully daily. Dampen the loss of LBA.
More frequent services to the hub would have been better for passengers, but FR are the carrier to put good numbers on the route for NOC.
More frequent services to the hub would have been better for passengers, but FR are the carrier to put good numbers on the route for NOC.
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I'm not sure about this news, I'd be very surprised if Ryanair did take it up surely they'll put the Liverpool service under pressure.
The only way I could interrupt this is they're protecting home ground, flybe could be looking at opportunities from knock and the man route was definitely one of them.
The only way I could interrupt this is they're protecting home ground, flybe could be looking at opportunities from knock and the man route was definitely one of them.
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Roll to the end -
MAN-NOC is a current route which supports B733's several times per week (frequency varies according to season), regardless of what happens ex-LPL. This mature proven route will be vacated when BMI Baby close their MAN hub; replacing them is an opportunity for another carrier ... why not RYR? If not them it will be somebody else. And don't forget that whilst the MAN and LPL catchment areas overlap they are far from identical. It is a myth that services between the two are interchangeable ... hence the likelihood that RYR will have bases at both of these airports (plus EMA & LBA relatively nearby).
MAN-NOC is a current route which supports B733's several times per week (frequency varies according to season), regardless of what happens ex-LPL. This mature proven route will be vacated when BMI Baby close their MAN hub; replacing them is an opportunity for another carrier ... why not RYR? If not them it will be somebody else. And don't forget that whilst the MAN and LPL catchment areas overlap they are far from identical. It is a myth that services between the two are interchangeable ... hence the likelihood that RYR will have bases at both of these airports (plus EMA & LBA relatively nearby).
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I was told today by someone that was speaking to an FR pilot over the weekend that FR was DEFINITELY taking on the Man route. I'm sure they'll do a great job of it, same old fear though, O'Leary having an even tighter grip on Knock, upset him and it's "Bye-Bye IWAK".
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Noc - lpl / man
Hi Shed-on-a-Pole and Roll to the end,
I think you're both probably right: Yes, LPL and MAN have their own catchment areas, but when you're dealing with a small market (e.g. NOC) there's evidence that the two airports affect each other.
As you can see from the CAA data below, bmibaby's MAN-NOC service has been losing passengers ever since Ryanair launched the LPL service in 2007. The LBA 'pincer movement' undoubtedly added to the pain last year. Loads on MAN-NOC have also been declining, from an average of 77% in 2008 to 64% last year. Loads on NOC-LPL have been consistently awful, averaging 52% last year. I doubt that yields have been spectacular for either carrier.
If Ryanair are going to do NOC from both LPL and MAN, they will almost certainly need to adjust their frequencies from LPL. I'm sure that daily B738 services are not sustainable from both. How big is the market at ticket prices that are sustainable? Maybe 100,000 per year from both MAN and LPL? In which case I would suggest that a total of 7 or 8 services a week from both is what we will end up with. Come back to me on that one next year
The same problem will occur if they try LDY from both LPL and MAN.
A similar situation exists on NOC to BHX / EMA, where growth to EMA has been at the expense of BHX. However, so far bmibaby are holding out.
I think you're both probably right: Yes, LPL and MAN have their own catchment areas, but when you're dealing with a small market (e.g. NOC) there's evidence that the two airports affect each other.
As you can see from the CAA data below, bmibaby's MAN-NOC service has been losing passengers ever since Ryanair launched the LPL service in 2007. The LBA 'pincer movement' undoubtedly added to the pain last year. Loads on MAN-NOC have also been declining, from an average of 77% in 2008 to 64% last year. Loads on NOC-LPL have been consistently awful, averaging 52% last year. I doubt that yields have been spectacular for either carrier.
If Ryanair are going to do NOC from both LPL and MAN, they will almost certainly need to adjust their frequencies from LPL. I'm sure that daily B738 services are not sustainable from both. How big is the market at ticket prices that are sustainable? Maybe 100,000 per year from both MAN and LPL? In which case I would suggest that a total of 7 or 8 services a week from both is what we will end up with. Come back to me on that one next year
The same problem will occur if they try LDY from both LPL and MAN.A similar situation exists on NOC to BHX / EMA, where growth to EMA has been at the expense of BHX. However, so far bmibaby are holding out.
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Id like RYR to give both NOC & LDY the MAN route as roughly how mant PAX would travel from the North-West to BFS or BHD to get to MAN? I bet quite a few do, i know i did last week as i needed to travel on a Tuesday and BE didnt do MAN from LDY on that day. I travelled with WW although i must admit the load was pretty dirr bout 30-40 PAX!
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My point is that at the moment it's ryanair and Bmi competing, so if the baby left why would ryanair come in and coax passengers from both sides at the expense of yield from lpl. Surely it would be better for them to operate one of them.
Hence my feeling that it mainly is a territorial move against flybe than anything.
Hence my feeling that it mainly is a territorial move against flybe than anything.
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Airport chairman Liam Scollan has an op-ed article in todays Independent on future of "regional" air access, interesting comments in light of regional debate, particularly on raising our low tourism targets.
Fittest not fattest should survive terminal decline
Fittest not fattest should survive terminal decline
...Are we to be content with small single-digit increases on current visitor numbers from a small seven million base or should we look to countries like Austria, with similar size and 22 million international visitors?
Perhaps the idea of even doubling tourism revenues in the next three years sounds daft -- almost as daft as building an airport on a foggy boggy hill! OUR own airport achieved 300pc growth in the last nine years despite the terminal decline that was predicted.
Our client airlines such as Ryanair, Flybe, Aer Lingus, and bmibaby, form a basis on which further significant tourism increases can be achieved. To get it right we have to throw out outmoded twin-track policies for state and non-state airports and replace them with policies that favour efficiency, independence and ambition.
Tourism equally needs a radical shift to recognising that the development of new routes is the real driver of tourism growth and the way to achieve a major uplift in national and regional economies.
Perhaps the idea of even doubling tourism revenues in the next three years sounds daft -- almost as daft as building an airport on a foggy boggy hill! OUR own airport achieved 300pc growth in the last nine years despite the terminal decline that was predicted.
Our client airlines such as Ryanair, Flybe, Aer Lingus, and bmibaby, form a basis on which further significant tourism increases can be achieved. To get it right we have to throw out outmoded twin-track policies for state and non-state airports and replace them with policies that favour efficiency, independence and ambition.
Tourism equally needs a radical shift to recognising that the development of new routes is the real driver of tourism growth and the way to achieve a major uplift in national and regional economies.
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Hence my feeling that it mainly is a territorial move against flybe than anything
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So winter 2011/12
Ltn daily same as last year
STn daily same as last year
Man ?...
Bhx 4 weekly same as last year
Ema 3 weekly same as last year
Lpl daily same as last year
Edi 3 weekly new route
Tfs 1 weekly new route
Ace 1 weekly new route
So a loss of 6 movements from fr with brs and lba gone however 5 gained with edi and canaries and we will wait and see what Manchester brings.
Liam scollan said in Sunday world yesterday that Germany,France and italy are the countries they expect to have routes to before too long.
Lgw daily
Ltn daily same as last year
STn daily same as last year
Man ?...
Bhx 4 weekly same as last year
Ema 3 weekly same as last year
Lpl daily same as last year
Edi 3 weekly new route
Tfs 1 weekly new route
Ace 1 weekly new route
So a loss of 6 movements from fr with brs and lba gone however 5 gained with edi and canaries and we will wait and see what Manchester brings.
Liam scollan said in Sunday world yesterday that Germany,France and italy are the countries they expect to have routes to before too long.
Lgw daily