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I think congratulations are in order on the command post. Secondly, I for one am very thankful to a real gent, Captain W.O. (who used to fly lightnings, sadly passed away now) who pulled my CV up to the top. Every little helps so don't knock someone who's trying to help out.
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The Great Scruph. True gent who helped me get my job too. Never to be forgotten. Offer's still available for anyone needing it though. and no, it won't be CaptainAnotherFlapOperator. Just me, though I'll probably need to think up a new name now.
If I can help one fellow pilot sleep more easily and see his family more often, then it will be worth it anyway.
If I can help one fellow pilot sleep more easily and see his family more often, then it will be worth it anyway.
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Another Flap op, If you are as genuine as you sound and you do want to help, may I suggest that we try to help stop the harsh and petty rumours that seem to trouble this thread.
This way you would not only help a fellow pilot but also those folk that actually make the airline work the way that it does.
The politics are on the top floor, us worker bees as I have said before just get the job done and stupid rumours tend to keep people awake at night wondering if this is it, (for most of them again)
No this is not a finger point at you, far from it, I commend you on your persistence to get to the left hand seat and hope this works out well for you.
But there is space for all of us on this island, I just hope Flybe's greed does not get the best of them.
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EB i can assure you that another flap operator is totally genuine. That is the best call thats been made on here in months. Yes we are all interested to find out what, if anything is going to happen to 3W but for now they are in business with good loads off the rock I am told. There is space for both Flybe and EuroManx in IOM.
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Get a grip lads. JS has lost how many Euro millions in the last 3 years?. Is he doing anything to reverse the trend? Slugging out a price war with BE will only have one result.
even little old Manxy2s killing them on BHD but 3W fly on with 30% loads burning more Euromillions.
Unless someone upstairs adopts a new strategy that is different from the current one there will only be one result
Sorry lads but thats the real world. It's now a bit like watching thecharge of the light brigade
even little old Manxy2s killing them on BHD but 3W fly on with 30% loads burning more Euromillions.Unless someone upstairs adopts a new strategy that is different from the current one there will only be one result
Sorry lads but thats the real world. It's now a bit like watching thecharge of the light brigade
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Slugging It Out !!
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Give EuroManx a solution, What do they do when faced with a dominant carrier prepared to loose millions in order to remove EuroManx, specifically targeting the routes that EuroManx operate.
This policy should as i have said in previous posts been banned by our in adequate Transport department and a succession of Ministers and their officials. Instead of leaving it to market forces they have openly courted airlines to come to the isle of man AND THATS THE ISSUE.
Just ask Aer Arann and Emerald would they come back to the rock.
There is no answer to the Flybe EuroManx situation but EuroManx for me without all the baggage charges will always win and though initially they will take passengers off the route one of the two will have to leave
There is no room for two carriers on Liverpool thats a fact just ask the carriers mentioned in this post.
Give EuroManx a solution, What do they do when faced with a dominant carrier prepared to loose millions in order to remove EuroManx, specifically targeting the routes that EuroManx operate.
This policy should as i have said in previous posts been banned by our in adequate Transport department and a succession of Ministers and their officials. Instead of leaving it to market forces they have openly courted airlines to come to the isle of man AND THATS THE ISSUE.
Just ask Aer Arann and Emerald would they come back to the rock.
There is no answer to the Flybe EuroManx situation but EuroManx for me without all the baggage charges will always win and though initially they will take passengers off the route one of the two will have to leave
There is no room for two carriers on Liverpool thats a fact just ask the carriers mentioned in this post.
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'Slugging it out'
Sorry Austro but what goes around comes around.It is not so long ago that we were being told by the Euro's,how they wanted to sweep away all opposition on the IOM routes.The boot now appears to be on the other foot and it is time for Euromanx to get a kicking!
Agree this is all down to Manx Government policy,but if it weren't for that policy there would have been no Euromanx and Manx Airlines would still be operating to LHR.But that is all history.
Agree this is all down to Manx Government policy,but if it weren't for that policy there would have been no Euromanx and Manx Airlines would still be operating to LHR.But that is all history.
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Presumably you think it was alright for EMX to take advantage of the open skies when they were starting all their routes.
As for Emerald I don't think they will be flying anywhere again soon and Arann seem to drop routes all the time. They probably thought(were told) EMX would fold but it seems to be resilient and give a good product these days.
What no one here knows (or is not telling ) is who is making money. EMX must be making money on LCY judging by the fares they are charging and the same goes for LPL up to now and as has been said by others in other threads FLYBE's Q400's are very economical so perhaps there is room for both to prosper
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Hopefully someone at EMX will soon tell us what/who we will be flying with with if we book a flight now for the summer.
Presumably you think it was alright for EMX to take advantage of the open skies when they were starting all their routes.
As for Emerald I don't think they will be flying anywhere again soon and Arann seem to drop routes all the time. They probably thought(were told) EMX would fold but it seems to be resilient and give a good product these days.
What no one here knows (or is not telling ) is who is making money. EMX must be making money on LCY judging by the fares they are charging and the same goes for LPL up to now and as has been said by others in other threads FLYBE's Q400's are very economical so perhaps there is room for both to prosper
.Hopefully someone at EMX will soon tell us what/who we will be flying with with if we book a flight now for the summer.
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Ref Open Skis
Do you think anybody is making money at £19.00 one way.
Do you think anybody is making money at £35.00 one way.
£10.00 is APD and the rest on what, Open skis was fesable when EuroManx and Manx Airlines were about because there was no APD and fuel was half the price it is now. My flights this summer are booked with EuroManx to London City and travelling each week with them I never have any problems which more than can be said for the chaos of South Terminal at Gatwick .
My gripe is with the situation that we will be in if Flybe have a total monopoly off the island, yes stability,not regulated and definitely not good for the travelling public.
Do you think anybody is making money at £19.00 one way.
Do you think anybody is making money at £35.00 one way.
£10.00 is APD and the rest on what, Open skis was fesable when EuroManx and Manx Airlines were about because there was no APD and fuel was half the price it is now. My flights this summer are booked with EuroManx to London City and travelling each week with them I never have any problems which more than can be said for the chaos of South Terminal at Gatwick .
My gripe is with the situation that we will be in if Flybe have a total monopoly off the island, yes stability,not regulated and definitely not good for the travelling public.
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It depends on how many of these fares are available of course. FLYBE can spread the risk over many routes, a luxury not available to EMX.
Flybe having a monopoly is as bad as EMX or anyone else having a monopoly. I have not travelled with EMX to LCY because I never seem able to find a reasonable fare and to me VLM are much better value with better service. It is just a pity their schedule is not great for IOM based passengers.
Agree with you that LGW South terminal is a S***hole but for good or bad the days of regulated air travel have gone for good.
It depends on how many of these fares are available of course. FLYBE can spread the risk over many routes, a luxury not available to EMX.
Flybe having a monopoly is as bad as EMX or anyone else having a monopoly. I have not travelled with EMX to LCY because I never seem able to find a reasonable fare and to me VLM are much better value with better service. It is just a pity their schedule is not great for IOM based passengers.
Agree with you that LGW South terminal is a S***hole but for good or bad the days of regulated air travel have gone for good.
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An open 'skis' policy normally leads to groin strains
LGW is excellent if you are off on your hols - near or far - I don't know of many holiday destinations served from LCY
Has the NHS contract been awarded for next year yet ? - that'll be a crucial source of income with the low fares being sold to most other punters.
LGW is excellent if you are off on your hols - near or far - I don't know of many holiday destinations served from LCY
Has the NHS contract been awarded for next year yet ? - that'll be a crucial source of income with the low fares being sold to most other punters.
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South Terminal is a S**hole, granted, but Flybe are aware of this, it embarasses them as much as it does everyone else, and I do believe that the Flybe top brass are trying to get the airline over to North Terminal as soon as they can. It's just not that easy. What makes South Terminal so bad is a mixture of lack of investment by BAA, the Ryanair/Easy volumes of traffic that come in waves and overpower the security area that was never designed to cope, plus the huge volumes of pax Virgin put through at certain times of day.
The Terminal was never designed to cope with this volume, and is straining badly.
Time will tell.
The Terminal was never designed to cope with this volume, and is straining badly.
Time will tell.
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someone is in dreamworld. 
Website claims RECORD start to the year. Is that record loss of market share, record number of seats sold at a loss for £19 less APD!record losses in total, record borrowings, record amount of competition to start on LPL next month, record low performance on BHD or record of selling off both owned aircraft? Bit less bull and a bit more proper info would sort a few things out.
Website claims RECORD start to the year. Is that record loss of market share, record number of seats sold at a loss for £19 less APD!record losses in total, record borrowings, record amount of competition to start on LPL next month, record low performance on BHD or record of selling off both owned aircraft? Bit less bull and a bit more proper info would sort a few things out.
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EasyBeat:
Simple
Online Check in
Boiled sweet prior to take off
Tea/Coffee served in proper cups and a second cup served without asking
Alcohol served in proper glasses.
Sandwich/Fruit
Chocolates to finish
Plus through ticketing to Europe and a reasonably available low return fare ( usually way below the EMX equivalent) and the refurbished aircraft are really smart
How is VLM's service any better than EMX?
Online Check in
Boiled sweet prior to take off
Tea/Coffee served in proper cups and a second cup served without asking
Alcohol served in proper glasses.
Sandwich/Fruit
Chocolates to finish
Plus through ticketing to Europe and a reasonably available low return fare ( usually way below the EMX equivalent) and the refurbished aircraft are really smart
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Spotter...
What is it that upsets you about EuroManx?
I can assure you personally that the press release is 100% honest.
You may be disillusioned by the fact that a small airline has the audacity to fight for its market share but this is the way it is.
I think you need to wake up yourself and smell the coffee.
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In reality, no one is going to give out facts and figures. They have said bookings are ahead of projections which can mean anything. Good luck to them and I hope they survive.
I would not read too much into press releases anyway. Remember Aer Arann announced an extra IOM-LPL rotation due to passenger demand and promptly pulled the route a few months later due to poor loads
I would not read too much into press releases anyway. Remember Aer Arann announced an extra IOM-LPL rotation due to passenger demand and promptly pulled the route a few months later due to poor loads
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You do have a point, there are no figures on that PR.
I have seen the figures. They are up, but it is not for me to prove anything to you, especially in a place like this.
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EasyBeat, If the figures wern't up at £19 a go then I'd be even more worried than I am now!
Why are you continuing to defend EMX, you know what happened to the last man on the Titanic?
Why are you continuing to defend EMX, you know what happened to the last man on the Titanic?