Euromanx- 2

[JB007]

As it looks like EMX is about to become a "Paper Airline" would this not be an ideal opportunity for Manx2 to expand or is that too great a risk for them? I guess FlyBe will become the Islands airline...

[IOMspotter]

Manx2

Looks to me like Manxy2 have there hands full with GLO and extra BHD rotations announced last week which they might struggle to fill anyway They've gone very quiet on the PIK plans. Wouldn't want to see a fleet of L410's on MAN

[jetstreamtechrecords]

Fly what

So, if Euromanx are selling the 2 dashes, Their owners have sold club 328 severing the Do328 connection what's left? ATR's from Aer Arran, SAAB 340's from Germany or J41's from Humberside

[RE72]

Re 4 Emx

I've heard that RE are to take up the operation of a "more streamlined" EMX once the Dash's have been removed from the fleet.

It will be a "Euromanx by Aer Arann" type set-up.

A refined timetable, new routes and dropping BHD are apparently on the menu.

[manx crab]

If Aer Arann did take over the service then it would make sense to keep their own name out of it as it took a bit of a battering last time due to the dropping of routes etc. Personally I have found then ok to deal with and generally reliable but you know what good moaners we Manx folk are.

Cannot be much to refine, maybe drop Manchester/BHD and concentrate on LCY and Lpl to start with.

[IOMspotter]

LPL

Have just seen the LPL figures for OCTober -awful.

Liverpool

Euromanx 11,366 13,730 -2,364 -17.2%

So, I thought I'd use them going across as theres bound to be lots of cheapies. but what's the cheapest fare in the next two weeks? £56 single. No wonder numbers are through the floor. they are killing the route with high prices. MAN £29 FlyBe, BLK £39 Manx2

[ADC2604]

Hold on - do I see a POSITIVE note about Flybe fare! Blimey....

Will certainly be interesting to see what happens in the long run with Euromanx.

[Tonyq]

Euromanx to MAN

Curious that the Airport Director highlights the Euromanx 26% year on year uplift on MAN in her comments, although ignores the overall decline on MAN and the continuing collapse of LPL numbers, which is fares/Steam Packet driven. However a bit more analysis shows that EMX share of MAN has actually fallen from 48% to 44% from Sept to Oct, which suggests that the very agressive FlyBe fares are hurting. LCY and BHD down in terms of share and overall numbers, so no wonder the new owners are trying to drive costs out as a matter of urgency.

[chrism20]

I don't know - there was some good news for her to announce this month.

MAN has performed better than it has done for months and LTN is back.

As Tony said the LPL is fare driven and until thats sorted..........wasn't there a battle for LPL 12-18 months ago with a couple of carriers fighting for the route? Perhaps competition is what is needed on it?

The battle of MAN is now underway and it will be interesting to see what happens here

[STATSMAN]

LPL Friday 16.11.2007

There were so good loads in from IOM yesterday (yes I know it was friday but I was surprised at the number of Manx residents).

Does any Manx resident know if your goverment help with the cost of ticket to LPL for hospital visit, for example children to Alderhey?

Loads where very low on some flights when there were 3 carriers on the route 3 inbound passenger on an RE.

[Tonyq]

Any patient who is referred to a UK hospital has their transport to that hospital paid for by IOM DHSS. Most such referrals are to hospitals in Merseyside/Wirral and the overall number of such passengers apparently runs into several thousand each year. I'd imagine that Euromanx have most of this business via LPL.

Family members also get some travel too, but it was reported earlier this year that this was being reduced significantly after it transpired the DHSS's own guidance on eligibility wasn't being adhered to correctly.

[STATSMAN]

hospital visits via LPL

Thanks for the reply tony, usually see mum dad & child on Alderhey visits. This must be a good source of income to 3W, but would not pay the HBOS debt.

[Yak97]

Hospital Flights

Didn't the IOM DHSS have a contract with a Pa31 operator for hospital transport? Or did that go after the accident at LPL?

[Tonyq]

re Hospital Flights

Yes, they do have such an arrangement, for air ambulance type flights, used for emergency situations or high dependency patient transfers. However the earlier posts referred to able bodied passengers travelling under their own steam.

[FS01]

midrif i agree with what you are saying. However it is not just EuroManx that it concerns. IOM in general has seen a decline is pax figures over the last 18 months. Something needs to be done to address this. One thing would seem to be an improvement in peak hour security.

[chrism20]

I am looking at the same figures and stand by what I said.

LTN has returned which is good news, we will have to wait until the end of this month to see how it has affected the LGW route though.

MAN has averaged anywhere between 9 & 17% down yoy since May last month was 2.5%

Also they dropped over 7% in September but only 2.6% in October.

[Powerjet1]

LTN has returned which is good news, we will have to wait until the end of this month to see how it has affected the LGW route though.

Would have thought the effect would have been minimal, bearing in mind LGW is 4 x daily, against LTN at 4 x weekly, at least for the moment.

[IOMspotter]

North loses to south

looks like the North is down as Steam packet is an option. Steam packet to Birkenhead! or 3W to LPL at £50+ and most will still go by boat

Southern routes and ireland all doing quite well though but VLM eating into LCY.

[lfc84]

Bad news for Euromanx from Manxradio.com...
Passenger numbers down for flights but up for the boats.......

Sea traffic through Douglas has increased, for the tenth consecutive month.
So far this year the total figure is up nearly 20% for vehicles and just over 12% for foot passengers.
In October the increase was just over 8% for passengers and just under 9% for vehicles.
Steam Packet figures show a drop on the Belfast route and also to Heysham.
However, there has been a significant rise to the Island's traditional port of entry to the United Kingdom, Liverpool.
Director of Harbours Captain Mike Brew describes the overall figures as 'excellent'.

And from Three FM

Twenty thousand people travelled between the Isle Of Man and Liverpool using the Steam Packet during October that's up by 25% on last year.

Looking at their reservation system in January there appears to be a few occasions when they drop the 3W0405 and 3W0408. Is this because loads are getting so low that they have decided to cut services ?

[FS01]

Manx2.com launching £15 single, flights to BLK and BHD/BFS. Possibly bad for EuroManx BHD. will have to wait and see. As for the LPL dropping flights it could be that they are full or the ATR is coveriing for a Dash to MAN