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It really is time for these "concerned" residents to be told that their continued interference in operations at BHD will no longer be tolerated!
Ja mein fuehrer
....what a load of bolleaux as usual...Airports HAVE to live in harmony with their surroundings NOT trample over people so that spotters can see more aircraft through the fence!
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"Ja mein fuehrer ....what a load of bolleaux as usual...Airports HAVE to live in harmony with their surroundings NOT trample over people so that spotters can see more aircraft through the fence!"
Of course, some Belfast people like you are actually louder than the planes that leave the city airport!!!
....what a load of bolleaux as usual...Airports HAVE to live in harmony with their surroundings NOT trample over people so that spotters can see more aircraft through the fence!"Of course, some Belfast people like you are actually louder than the planes that leave the city airport!!!
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I fail to see what relevance your "jibe" has. Does it move the discussion one iota? No? thought not. Now shuffle off and check your "reggies"
ps I am from Bangor!
I fail to see what relevance your "jibe" has. Does it move the discussion one iota? No? thought not. Now shuffle off and check your "reggies"
ps I am from Bangor!
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What are they scared of?
I'm not trying to belittle people's genuine concerns but what is it these residents groups are scared of?
Would a later arrival from Heathrow really make that much difference? We're only talking about an airbus and possibly a couple of Dash 8 400's from other airports.
As a passenger I've arrived at BHD much later than the 'watershed'. I remember coming in on a delayed Flybe flight from Liverpool at almost midnight and on a delayed BA flight from Manchester at around 11.00pm.
I can't remember which approaches we flew but the residents of both East Belfast and North Down appeared to survive the experience.
I really is a case of NIMBY. I take it these people are quite happy to depart at all hours of the day and night on holiday flights and lo-co services from Belfast International.
People live there too. For example the majority of approaches pass over Killead seconds before touchdown - many of them long after 9.30pm.
I work with someone who lives in Crumlin and they get the full benefit of easyJet, Jet2, bmibaby, MYT, First Choice etc as they take off.
Many people in that area work at Belfast International and appreciate the economic benefits it brings.
Perhaps someone who is concerned about later flights into Belfast City could explain clearly what they fear.
Would a later arrival from Heathrow really make that much difference? We're only talking about an airbus and possibly a couple of Dash 8 400's from other airports.
As a passenger I've arrived at BHD much later than the 'watershed'. I remember coming in on a delayed Flybe flight from Liverpool at almost midnight and on a delayed BA flight from Manchester at around 11.00pm.
I can't remember which approaches we flew but the residents of both East Belfast and North Down appeared to survive the experience.
I really is a case of NIMBY. I take it these people are quite happy to depart at all hours of the day and night on holiday flights and lo-co services from Belfast International.
People live there too. For example the majority of approaches pass over Killead seconds before touchdown - many of them long after 9.30pm.
I work with someone who lives in Crumlin and they get the full benefit of easyJet, Jet2, bmibaby, MYT, First Choice etc as they take off.
Many people in that area work at Belfast International and appreciate the economic benefits it brings.
Perhaps someone who is concerned about later flights into Belfast City could explain clearly what they fear.
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Amen.
I live quite nearby to the flightpath, not directly under but I certainly hear the planes as they depart or arrive from BHD. The loudest is without doubt are the bmi airbusses, but even they wouldnt stop you from sleeping. Its just backround noise which comes hand in hand with living in any urban area. One thing which is undoubtedly true is that a largish lorry (not articulated or anything, just your standard delivery van for the likes of a Vivo) clattering up my street at 6am is FAR more likely to wake me than an overflying airbus on approach to BHD.
I say we burn the Vivo vans!!!
Seriously though, while for a few people it may be a pain in the ass, its really not worth the overall fuss. I'd love a late night in from edinburgh please... Ban noisey trucks, car horns, kids in the street (wee bastards) and skateboards. All of the above are much more disruptive than aircraft so I demand a protest group.
I live quite nearby to the flightpath, not directly under but I certainly hear the planes as they depart or arrive from BHD. The loudest is without doubt are the bmi airbusses, but even they wouldnt stop you from sleeping. Its just backround noise which comes hand in hand with living in any urban area. One thing which is undoubtedly true is that a largish lorry (not articulated or anything, just your standard delivery van for the likes of a Vivo) clattering up my street at 6am is FAR more likely to wake me than an overflying airbus on approach to BHD.
I say we burn the Vivo vans!!!
Seriously though, while for a few people it may be a pain in the ass, its really not worth the overall fuss. I'd love a late night in from edinburgh please... Ban noisey trucks, car horns, kids in the street (wee bastards) and skateboards. All of the above are much more disruptive than aircraft so I demand a protest group.
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Now come on now, residents have rights. I worked in East Belfast for 2 years, about half a mile from the airport and the noise was very intrusive. I mean if you lived right under the flight path and your having a barbeque on a Saturday evening, a string of flights flying over head, with folk waving from the windows kind of ruins the moment. As for road traffic nuisance-roads have been around now for 100 years, so if you buy a house in an urban area near a road then expect traffic noise all day and night. However if they decided to turn the Newtownards Road into the 'M6' then there may be a little noise from residents. As for Killead and out lying areas its about damage limitations ie the BFS does't affect too many people here where as BHD affects 100's of thousands of people. What are the statistics most aviation accidents happen while landing and taking off.... Final point Bhd are taking the mickey. Its suppose to be a business airport like LCA (which actually seems to respect its residents eg do Airbuses, 737's use it, does it have charter flights to Malaga, Verona, Chambery - its geared up for business) Bhd is trying to grow beyond its original intention and thats why it needs to be legislated in its use. I mean is it necessary for sun sand and sea flights from Bhd. I'm quite sure people who live away out there in Bangor and are going to Malaga for a week will not mind an extra 20mins to the airport.
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How do you legislate to ensure that charter flights do not use an airport? Surely pricing them out of the airport is the best solution but can this really be set down in law?
While I see your point that BHD affects many more people, the number of people it affects to an intrusive extent is very small indeed. While for a few people having a barbeque in their back garden on a sunny saturday might be a bit pissed off, these flights pass close to where I live (albeit at a higher altitude) and cause virtually no problems, disruption or irritation.
And while roads may have lay in the same place for 100 years, the vivo truck clattering up the streets around when I live hasn't been. Change can be a pain in the hole but it's necessary and we might just have to limit our NIMBY mentality to take account of this.
While I see your point that BHD affects many more people, the number of people it affects to an intrusive extent is very small indeed. While for a few people having a barbeque in their back garden on a sunny saturday might be a bit pissed off, these flights pass close to where I live (albeit at a higher altitude) and cause virtually no problems, disruption or irritation.
And while roads may have lay in the same place for 100 years, the vivo truck clattering up the streets around when I live hasn't been. Change can be a pain in the hole but it's necessary and we might just have to limit our NIMBY mentality to take account of this.
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People who purchase property near an airport do not get to browbeat said airport- those who have made a fortune by actively investing in such property have even less right. How much for a two-up two-down near LHR now vs 20+ years ago, for example? BHD similar?
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Yes .....BUT LHR has been there for years doing it's stuff...the City was a tuppeny hapenny hole in the hedge which has expanded (allegedly) beyond its remit. Hence the review. In this case it is the AIRPORT which has moved in on the residents...
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How many planes does Jet2 have based at Belfast and what are they. Reading on a thread recently suggested 2 737's for the summer. Today there were 3 in this evening from Prague, Murcia and I think Barcelona all arriving within a couple of hours of each other (ceefax p457). Is this just on a Sunday?
Also things are quiet at BFS, nothing in the pipeline eg Emirates (which starts at Newcastle in the autumn). There have been rumours floating about in the press over the years about this option. I mean we have peace and the best golf courses outside of the USA now, keep the routes coming.
Why is Inverness still listed as a destination in the pull down menu with Easyjet/Belfast from Inverness end (administration error I suppose).
Answers please on a postcard!!!!
Also things are quiet at BFS, nothing in the pipeline eg Emirates (which starts at Newcastle in the autumn). There have been rumours floating about in the press over the years about this option. I mean we have peace and the best golf courses outside of the USA now, keep the routes coming.
Why is Inverness still listed as a destination in the pull down menu with Easyjet/Belfast from Inverness end (administration error I suppose).
Answers please on a postcard!!!!
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Eastern, really!!
" In this case it is the AIRPORT which has moved in on the residents..."
You know that is not really the case.
Taking Heathrow as the example, what has the movement growth been there in the past ten years? I`d guess that its been around 10% which for an airport of that size is a substantial increase in traffic.
With all this wailing and gnashing of teeth from the beleaguered residents groups Belfast City must have had a similarly spectacular increase in traffic? Far from it! Belfast City has had fewer movements in the last year than it had ten or eleven years ago. Not only are there less aircraft but the slow climbing noisy turboprops have been replaced with newer quieter aircraft with much better climb performance enabling them to be clear of the noise abatement restrictions much sooner after departure.The terminal is now further from the nearest housing and due to the improved taxiway system there is less time spent taxying for departure.
So, rather than the Airport moving in on the residents its really just the changing face of society, the whinging culture and political correctness that pervades every area of our lives that has led to so much fuss about less aircraft.
Gate22, you`re a very funny guy and you must have terrific eyesight if you can see people waving at you from a plane over 600ft above you. I can`t even see them waving at me from the runway and i`ve got a fairly good view of that!! I lived under the 04 approach path within 3 miles of the threshold for almost 2 years and there was no significant aircraft noise and certainly no complaints from any of my neighbours.
My theory is that the propensity to complain appears to be directly proportional to ones income and inversely proportional to how hard one has to work for a living.Now let some NIMBY prove me wrong!!
" In this case it is the AIRPORT which has moved in on the residents..."
You know that is not really the case.
Taking Heathrow as the example, what has the movement growth been there in the past ten years? I`d guess that its been around 10% which for an airport of that size is a substantial increase in traffic.
With all this wailing and gnashing of teeth from the beleaguered residents groups Belfast City must have had a similarly spectacular increase in traffic? Far from it! Belfast City has had fewer movements in the last year than it had ten or eleven years ago. Not only are there less aircraft but the slow climbing noisy turboprops have been replaced with newer quieter aircraft with much better climb performance enabling them to be clear of the noise abatement restrictions much sooner after departure.The terminal is now further from the nearest housing and due to the improved taxiway system there is less time spent taxying for departure.
So, rather than the Airport moving in on the residents its really just the changing face of society, the whinging culture and political correctness that pervades every area of our lives that has led to so much fuss about less aircraft.
Gate22, you`re a very funny guy and you must have terrific eyesight if you can see people waving at you from a plane over 600ft above you. I can`t even see them waving at me from the runway and i`ve got a fairly good view of that!! I lived under the 04 approach path within 3 miles of the threshold for almost 2 years and there was no significant aircraft noise and certainly no complaints from any of my neighbours.
My theory is that the propensity to complain appears to be directly proportional to ones income and inversely proportional to how hard one has to work for a living.Now let some NIMBY prove me wrong!!
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You know that is not really the case.
. Glad to see you are still with us.......long time no hear
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Its quite late and I think I will hit the hay! . Now Tower Ranger I take it from your many assumptions that 'gate22 is a masculine name!!!! anyway. 'People waving from the window' was not mean't to be literal its kind of like saying, while one is sitting in one's swimming costume or 'Y' fronts, depending on ones gender, having your barbeque, some other person sitting in a 'quiet'(see shortly) plane may get a glance of you i.e. invasion of one's privacy. 'Quiet Planes' like the whisssspppppeeeeerrr jet. I have yet to come across this plane that people always talk about, you know the one, slips in through the back door in the middle of the night takes your keys, next day the cars gone, the damn dog didn't even bark. All planes are loud on take-off/landing when they fly over your house its just that some are very loud. Now all I will say is that from a common sense point of view noboby wants to live anywhere near spitting distance from an airport, do a survey I will guarantee 80% plus - no way. (Spitting distance is a phrase)
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I saw that the viewing gallery was closed on Friday, after playing that crane and teddybear machine beside the entrance (rip off those things!!!) Is lounge 17 supposed to be that business lounge that the airport advertises?
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Gate 22,
I also had to laugh at your comment regarding people looking out the window at your BBQ. Invasion of privacy my arse!! Living under a flight path is no different whatsoever than someone living next to or near a railway line. There is noise for a few seconds and then it is over.
I have no problem with people moaning about BHD and its location but what really gets on my wick is when the moaners still manage to use the airport services when it suites them. Very convenient !!!
I also had to laugh at your comment regarding people looking out the window at your BBQ. Invasion of privacy my arse!! Living under a flight path is no different whatsoever than someone living next to or near a railway line. There is noise for a few seconds and then it is over.
I have no problem with people moaning about BHD and its location but what really gets on my wick is when the moaners still manage to use the airport services when it suites them. Very convenient !!!