Guernsey

[Ayline]

The plan for nose in parking showed 10 stands capable of accommodating BAe.146-300 aircraft (3 of which were shown as being capable of taking an A320 - assuming the runway was suitable for their operation). This would have been in addition to the stands located in front of the cargo sheds. The covered walkway has numbered doors which I believe would have corresponded to the appropriate stand numbers. Try parking 10 146's on the present stands! The ATP bringing the newpapers was unable to land this morning due to a lack of parking caused by an extra 146 nightstopping as a result of G-JEBB having gone u/s yesterday. The ATP diverted to Jersey before coming on to Guernsey at 0740. I am sure most of us can think of other instances such as the ZK- reg Dash 8 which operated to Jersey rather than Guernsey as previously planned, the Eastern SAAB 2000 which weekend stopped in Jersey after dropping off its pax in Guernsey, the similar case of the Swiss 146 which day stopped in Jersey and not forgeting the Flybe Dash at Christmas from SOU which had to wait on the taxiway for the Flybe Dash from BHX to land, drop off its pax, load up again and taxi off stand before the SOU aircraft could park. There is also the issue of Trislanders parked in the wake of jetwash from aircraft parked on stand 15/16 - nose in parking would resolve these issues too. I wonder how many States members who voted for the new terminal are aware of these issues or even bother to find out.

[five zero by ortac]

nose-in

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the airport want nose-in parking, but Aurigny & Flybe objected ?

[Ayline]

I think you're right. Flybe were threatening to charge more to cover the cost of nose in parking. They have nose in parking in Jersey and I don't think they charge more to fly JER-LGW than GCI-LGW. It's also a shorter flight from Guernsey! I can't think of many airports with flights from Guernsey where there isn't nose in parking.

[G-JECL]

Guernsey Airport was designed in order to show off to the world that Guernsey has money, however it also shows that the Guernsey government has no brains!! They may advertise for new routes and new airlines to operate into that godforsaken rock but which stands are they supposed to use?

10 146's!! at the moment you can park 4 146's at the most with one stand capable of an aircraft of Saab 340 proportions and two remote stands only capable of taking nothing bigger than a Jetstream 32 maybe a Beech 1900 at a push. Would there still be a trislander box if the planned layout is ever introduced?

Charlie Lima xxx

[Ayline]

There was no Tri box shown on the original plan showing 10 146s. Perhaps we could do away with 2 of those 10 stands to make way for a Tri box. There was also a plan at one time to put the Tri box on the West Grass Park (after a concrete surface had been laid) but that would mean quite a trek for the pax. Still the walk doesn't seem to matter as the authorities don't seem to mind pax having to walk from stand 1 to the terminal.

[Jerbourg]

I hear rumours that stand 9 may become stands 9a & 9b thereby capable of taking two smaller aircraft types. IE 2 x Jetsteams OR 1 x SF340 1 x Jetstream sized aircraft. The "trislander box"parking stand is a very dangerous place. There is no set route for the aircraft to taxi either in or out of the stand. Trislanders frequently cut across other parking stands to gain access to the stand. Pax & vehicles entering this area are at extreme danger from moving aircraft & prop wash. It is only a matter of time before a serious accident occurs in this area. How did this stand ever get approved.....? Would anyone from the CAA care to comment on this?

[Ckin Gal]

Lufthansa

Admittedly this is from across the water but here goes with what i have.

MUC/GCI/JER/FRA - IQ - Q400
DUS/GCI/JER/HAJ - X2 - ATR72

FRA/GCI/JER/MUC - IQ
HAJ/GCI/JER/DUS - X2

Hope this helps

[Guern]

Flybe flew the southampton passengers to gatwick long delay and then down to Guernsey arriving at 11pm!

They really not doing themselves any favours at the moment.

[GBALU53]

Heard a good one yesterday.
With Blueilands now doing a Southampton as of last Monday the 2nd July Flybe are going to put extra services on there Guernsey-Southampton.
How they are going to do this as this summer they have no capicity with the Guernsey based Dash or is this all talk by Frybe to frighten Blueislands.
With all the problems Flybe a re having after the take over they need to grasp the idea get there act together and operate to time if there is another carrier people will try the other one.
At the moment there is a spare BAE146 down in Jersey as back up for Tech reasons well it is not only tech problems but crewing play a major part in a number of the delays they have had in the Islands over the last few weeks.

[Jerbourg]

I don't think an extra Flybe rotation will have much impact on Blue Islands unless BE reduce their day return fares. I hear Blue are already attracting a large amount of day return business traffic. As the Blue fare is approx half that of Flybe's day return I can see their loads continue to climb. Maybe the Do328 would be better suited to this route in the future rather than IOM?

[J-Guy]

I see that Flybe has improved their inter-island timetable for the winter. The evening Exeter triangular flight will be reversed and route EXT-JER-GCI-EXT instead, allowing an evening flight from Jersey to Guernsey. I travel on this route regularly and will be pleased not to have the added journey time, but importantly it allows a day return for business passengers, which makes Flybe slightly more competitive on inter-island. Fares are cheaper although there is not a great deal of flexibility like Aurigny and Blue Islands.

Norwich remains for the winter at 4x weekly and Manchester looks like it has been dropped. This would leave time for an additional lunchtime Southampton flight if that rumour were to be true. I think this was the case up until a few years ago? Either way the Guernsey Q400 is free.

[Guern]

Anyone know who the 5 Airlines are that want to come to Guernsey?

It was announced on local news that 5 are interested. Scotairways were advertising in Guernsey Press for Cabin crew, I wasn't aware they operated out of GCI at the moment.

Article below from Island FM website

"New airlines could be starting up in Guernsey as soon as Christmas this year…. Commerce and Employment are in discussions with 5 companies who are interested in setting up links to Guernsey. Efforts to bring in new airlines and develop routes started back in December last year. Deputy Commerce and Employment Minister Carla McNulty Bauer says there are no guarantees yet, as the candidates have a lot of criteria to meet"

[virginblue]

Maybe a GCI-based operation to CDG (via JER) and LCY flights?

[Trihandle]

Scot Airways

Hi Guern
I think you'll find the cabin crew are for the Dornier 328 that Blue Islands are using for the JER-ZRH-GVA flights. As the aircraft will be based in Guernsey.
Don't know if they will offering through fares from Guernsey.

[Guern]

Cheers for that I am just being nosey to see where else I will be able to fly straight from the rock!

[GR600]

Maybe a GCI-based operation to CDG (via JER) and LCY flights?

Maybe Cityjet will do that.

[GBALU53]

Blueislands Dornier 328

Now the Dornier 328 aircraft is painted in full Blueislands house colours will the aircraft be in the Islands before the 6th of November?
Would it be a good idea now it is painted to operate on the IOM service before the 6th november when the swiss flights start?

[virginblue]

(I don't want to hijack the Flybe thread for this, so....)

There is a lot of talk about GCI-LCY - why do people believe that LCY will work from GCI while it has never really taken off from the much larger JER and is down to a token service by VLM?

BTW, with now only three airlines (Flybe, Aurigny, Blue Islands) offering year-round services to/from Guernsey, is this an all-time low when looking at the number of airlines and routes? If one leaves out the inter-island/Trislander routes, GCI now offers 10 destinations (BRS, EXT, BOH, SOU, LGW, STN, BHX, MAN, IOM and BVA) by three airlines, with competition on 3 of the 10 routes (MAN, LGW, SOU).

[G-JECL]

You missed out GVA and ZRH so it takes the destination count up to 12. With regards to a LCY service, i think we all believe such a service would work as compared to Jersey we are served from the majority of London Airports. Remember Jer has around 10-12 flights a day to LGW, the majority being operated by Emb195's and 737's, plus two LHR's in A319's one LCY in a Fokker50, come March one LTN in an A319 and two weekly SEN in a Q400. Guernsey on the other hand has 8 LGW in the 146 and ATR72's flights and one STN, in an ATR72 so a double daily service. to LCY would not only provide a great link for the business community in both London and Guernsey but also another airport to connect through to toher destinations without all the hassle of using LGW. I beleive a twice daily link in say a Blue Islands or Cityjet Dornier would prove to be very popular.

[virginblue]

Thanks for your insight.

You missed out GVA and ZRH so it takes the destination count up to 12

I thought ZRH/GVA was "just" a connection with the Dornier being based in JER? Giving it second thoughts, how about the BVA route? Is this a one-stop service or indeed another conncetion involving an aircraft change at JER?