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Well yes you have to connect through JER but the Dornier is based in GCI, however for many of the routes you mentioned you have to connect through JER. BVA, IOM, BOH and certain BHX, NWI and EXT flights you have to make a stop in JER before going on to your final destination.
What I would like to see with regards flights/ new routes out of Guernsey is the following:
BOH - direct and not via JER
NCL
CWL
LCY
DUB
EMA
LTN
and a Joint JER/GCI-CDG service (preferably operated by Cityjet or Airfrance)
AMS would be good too! Bring back KLM!!
What I would like to see with regards flights/ new routes out of Guernsey is the following:
BOH - direct and not via JER
NCL
CWL
LCY
DUB
EMA
LTN
and a Joint JER/GCI-CDG service (preferably operated by Cityjet or Airfrance)
AMS would be good too! Bring back KLM!!
Any flight that connects is obviously not direct G-JECL, so to say GVA/ZRH are, is totally wrong, you might as well put JFK on the list as you can connect thru London!
NWI/EXT/BHX are flown direct from GCI, some flights passing thru JER. These flights do not require an aircraft change. However most, if not all of the Blue Islands services require an aircraft change & therefore are in my opinion JER routes with GCI pax connecting thru JER.
Virginblue - Yes this is the lowest airline & route count GCI has seen in many years. Sadly the future doesn't promise anything new either. Proposed routes by Blue Islands to LUX & DUB will not bring in the masses, but cater for a handful of business people paying high fares for the pleasure to travel direct to their business centre.
NWI/EXT/BHX are flown direct from GCI, some flights passing thru JER. These flights do not require an aircraft change. However most, if not all of the Blue Islands services require an aircraft change & therefore are in my opinion JER routes with GCI pax connecting thru JER.
Virginblue - Yes this is the lowest airline & route count GCI has seen in many years. Sadly the future doesn't promise anything new either. Proposed routes by Blue Islands to LUX & DUB will not bring in the masses, but cater for a handful of business people paying high fares for the pleasure to travel direct to their business centre.
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I never said GVA or ZRH were direct!! I was merely adding them to VB's list of destinations that are available out of Guernsey, of which VB inlcuded BVA, IOM and BOH which are also not direct. So don't jump down my throat for something I never said!
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Now you are just nitpicking, i see you dont give VB the same nitpicking attitude for listing BVA, BOH and IOM as destinations available out of Guernsey! Available does not imply direct at all! Inverness, Glasgow and Belfast are also available out of Guernsey with FlyBE on one ticket, so i could also add them to the list. The definition for availabe in the dictionary is "accessible or obtainable" the word direct doesn't appear whatsoever. If I remember rightly using BCI as an example once again, in the Guernsey Press they advertised GCI-BVA as "direct with a 10 minute stop in Jersey".
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I think this may be a case of people confusing themselves between 'Direct' and 'non-stop' flights as they can be two completely different things:
A Direct Flight could be a flight that stops at another airport, but passengers do not change planes.
An example of a direct flight is a passenger taking a flight from Boston to Dublin. The flight first stops at Shannon Airport and then continues to Dublin, with the passengers traveling to Dublin staying on the same plane.
Whereas a non-stop flight is a flight that does not stop at another airport before reaching its point of arrival
An example of a non-stop flight is a flight from Boston to Dublin. The flight goes to Dublin without stopping at another airport.
If you stay on the same plane you are NOT connecting, you are going direct
A Direct Flight could be a flight that stops at another airport, but passengers do not change planes.
An example of a direct flight is a passenger taking a flight from Boston to Dublin. The flight first stops at Shannon Airport and then continues to Dublin, with the passengers traveling to Dublin staying on the same plane.
Whereas a non-stop flight is a flight that does not stop at another airport before reaching its point of arrival
An example of a non-stop flight is a flight from Boston to Dublin. The flight goes to Dublin without stopping at another airport.
If you stay on the same plane you are NOT connecting, you are going direct
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Before we all get carried away, let me just point out that I simply took the destinations fron GCI's website. For some funny reason, they list, for example, BVA and IOM, but not ZRH and GVA.
So what routes - other than JER ans SOU - are served by Blue Islands nonstop from GCI? If I followed your exchange correctly, the only "non-local" nonstops from GCI are:
BRS, EXT, SOU, LGW, STN, BHX, MAN
So what routes - other than JER ans SOU - are served by Blue Islands nonstop from GCI? If I followed your exchange correctly, the only "non-local" nonstops from GCI are:
BRS, EXT, SOU, LGW, STN, BHX, MAN
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Well this morning on the news on Guernsey's IslandFM the main headline was that the the states should not extend the runway as they do not wish to bring the likes of Ryanair and Easyjet in, but that they were in talks with three operators wishing to operate to the Island. Now these three operators have to operate either turboprops or 146's/RJ's. So who's in the running?
Eastern Airways? NCL, LBA, ABZ?
Air Southwest? PLH, BRS, NQY?
VLM/Cityjet? RTM, AMS, CDG, LCY, EDI?
KLM/Airfrance? AMS, CDG?
Aer Arann? DUB, ORK?
Manx2? GLO, BLK?
Lufthansa? FRA, STU, MUC, DUS?
hmmm... either way its interesting and about time the airport had a new operator and some new routes. However I would be very surprised if another operator does come in as the airport lacks a few facilities e.g. Not enough check in desks, not enough stands and no independent handling agent!!
Eastern Airways? NCL, LBA, ABZ?
Air Southwest? PLH, BRS, NQY?
VLM/Cityjet? RTM, AMS, CDG, LCY, EDI?
KLM/Airfrance? AMS, CDG?
Aer Arann? DUB, ORK?
Manx2? GLO, BLK?
Lufthansa? FRA, STU, MUC, DUS?
hmmm... either way its interesting and about time the airport had a new operator and some new routes. However I would be very surprised if another operator does come in as the airport lacks a few facilities e.g. Not enough check in desks, not enough stands and no independent handling agent!!
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they do not wish to bring the likes of Ryanair and Easyjet in
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An extended runway would enhance the safe operation of the existing aircraft and allow the newer generation of regional aircraft in. Not even from the likes of Ryanair or Easy with such a small catchment.
Ie your crj's, smaller emb 135/45/95, and turboprops with enhanced payloads for pax or freight.
Ie your crj's, smaller emb 135/45/95, and turboprops with enhanced payloads for pax or freight.
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States of Guernsey Discussion Paper on Air & Sea Links
Is here:
http://www.gov.gg/ccm/cms-service/st...et_id=6526001&
Promises to increasy transparency & cut down bureaucracy......tho not exactly clear how
http://www.gov.gg/ccm/cms-service/st...et_id=6526001&
Promises to increasy transparency & cut down bureaucracy......tho not exactly clear how
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Not enough check in desks, not enough stands and no independent handling agent!!
The last time I flew from GCI was in the times of the old terminal (using Cityflyer and KLM uk back then
). While it could get busy on the apron at times back then, I was not under the impression that the airport lacked stands. Has the new terminal resulted in less stands being available?
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More mudslinging
in the local press - Aurigny blaming Flybe for Aurigny's failure to operate a Southampton service:
http://www.thisisguernsey.com/code/s...ticleID=003244
http://www.thisisguernsey.com/code/s...ticleID=003244
I think I am correct in saying that Aurignys GCI-SOU licence was revoked some years ago because they didn't operate the route. As for Guernsey pax travelling to SOU via ACI, what is Malcolm Hart waffling about. The man is a total idiot if he thinks people will do that.
I was talking today to a member of GR staff who said "This company is bit by bit going down the tubes." What a pity it has got to this sad state of affairs. Time for new management at GR, get rid of all the old Gill Airways cronies & get someone strong in who can turn it around before it's too late.
I was talking today to a member of GR staff who said "This company is bit by bit going down the tubes." What a pity it has got to this sad state of affairs. Time for new management at GR, get rid of all the old Gill Airways cronies & get someone strong in who can turn it around before it's too late.
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I've stayed away from this thread but I'm getting wound up.
kuningan - I think you'll find that Ryan and Easy have much larger catchment areas on the other ends of any routes they may wish to operate into the island full of purple rinsers who might want to return to their holiday isle of old. Any new route from the island is a bonus for the islanders!
But on the whole I feel sorry for flybe getting negative press all the time. Even today in the press there was a letter saying that the only reason the airline wanted a runway improvement/extension was so they could help out Jersey whenever thier plane goes tech. I'm sure that Guern residents don't mind if a Jersey plane comes through to pick them up if their planes are tech! And I'm sure they'd appreciate a shiny new jet being on the Gatwick route.
As for Malcolm Hart's continual comments. The man is unbelievable! Where does he get off?! "Why should flybe get any money from the States because their jet will not be able to fly full from here?" Not a direct quote, I'm paraphrasing, but the same reason as to why Aurigny should be States owned if they are supposedly turning a profit!! If they're doing so well, why don't they move on from any State's funding etc. I'd be delighted to see local people's taxes go towards the essential runway work and not providing a complimentary Press and soft drink to punters. When will they realise that's not the way a COMPANY works?!! As for them blaming flybe for a loss of SOU route, well, if a Blue Islands flight left with 1 passenger the other night compared to a few more on the flybe plane, where do they think these mystical locals are going to turn up from? People are hardly queuing up for the long trip via ALD, be it via, through or direct! Whatever the phraseology, you only need to ask the poor Bristol pax (we all know it's happened more than once!) what they think about an extended trip on a tri. And I love that plane! But Malcolm blames flybe for the loss of the "new" SOU route because of their (flybe's) lack of commitment on the MAN route. They must hve reasons for dropping it. I don't understand it cos they were pretty busy when I used them in early Jan! But as for his comments about not being able to reinstate an extra flight pet day because it's not financially viable, well something's not right! Aurigny have a monopoly with 2 flights a day!! Don't let "your" islanders down!
The expensive ads in last year's Flight for a few weeks.... the only airlines who submitted a new route were Aer Arran and Eastern Airlines! Ask the public- nobody knows who they are, and I wouldn't gamble my favourite pencil on them keeping a route longer than a year.
The runway needs to be sorted. It's appalling that the island has let this situation get out of hand. There is NO money in the State's purse to pay for this, BUT IT MUST BE DONE. Stop handing out the Press on flights for a start.
Rant over, but there may be more! Sorry if my random comments has tainted this thread, but it is entitled "Guernsey".
kuningan - I think you'll find that Ryan and Easy have much larger catchment areas on the other ends of any routes they may wish to operate into the island full of purple rinsers who might want to return to their holiday isle of old. Any new route from the island is a bonus for the islanders!
But on the whole I feel sorry for flybe getting negative press all the time. Even today in the press there was a letter saying that the only reason the airline wanted a runway improvement/extension was so they could help out Jersey whenever thier plane goes tech. I'm sure that Guern residents don't mind if a Jersey plane comes through to pick them up if their planes are tech! And I'm sure they'd appreciate a shiny new jet being on the Gatwick route.
As for Malcolm Hart's continual comments. The man is unbelievable! Where does he get off?! "Why should flybe get any money from the States because their jet will not be able to fly full from here?" Not a direct quote, I'm paraphrasing, but the same reason as to why Aurigny should be States owned if they are supposedly turning a profit!! If they're doing so well, why don't they move on from any State's funding etc. I'd be delighted to see local people's taxes go towards the essential runway work and not providing a complimentary Press and soft drink to punters. When will they realise that's not the way a COMPANY works?!! As for them blaming flybe for a loss of SOU route, well, if a Blue Islands flight left with 1 passenger the other night compared to a few more on the flybe plane, where do they think these mystical locals are going to turn up from? People are hardly queuing up for the long trip via ALD, be it via, through or direct! Whatever the phraseology, you only need to ask the poor Bristol pax (we all know it's happened more than once!) what they think about an extended trip on a tri. And I love that plane! But Malcolm blames flybe for the loss of the "new" SOU route because of their (flybe's) lack of commitment on the MAN route. They must hve reasons for dropping it. I don't understand it cos they were pretty busy when I used them in early Jan! But as for his comments about not being able to reinstate an extra flight pet day because it's not financially viable, well something's not right! Aurigny have a monopoly with 2 flights a day!! Don't let "your" islanders down!
The expensive ads in last year's Flight for a few weeks.... the only airlines who submitted a new route were Aer Arran and Eastern Airlines! Ask the public- nobody knows who they are, and I wouldn't gamble my favourite pencil on them keeping a route longer than a year.
The runway needs to be sorted. It's appalling that the island has let this situation get out of hand. There is NO money in the State's purse to pay for this, BUT IT MUST BE DONE. Stop handing out the Press on flights for a start.
Rant over, but there may be more! Sorry if my random comments has tainted this thread, but it is entitled "Guernsey".
Well said Rantanplan. I agree with all you have said. One point re the free papers. I believe the publishers of the the paper charge something like £0.00001 per copy to the airline so it is not a huge amount of expenditure to an airline in the scheme of things, but it could be money better spent I agree.
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GCI connections
Going back to the point about connections or lack of connections from Guernsey;The spurious thing about airlines offering 'direct' connections form Guernesy is that they charge more for a GCI departure than a JER departure GCI-IOM for example by blue islands as one direction involves a change of plane- shouldn't the interisland leg be swallowed by the airline?
On he other point about digs at Aurigny; As a visitor to the island I have to say Aurigny with its offer of free G Press and drinks offers a welcome friendly service in these times of no-frills blandness!
On he other point about digs at Aurigny; As a visitor to the island I have to say Aurigny with its offer of free G Press and drinks offers a welcome friendly service in these times of no-frills blandness!
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I have to admit the only reason I use Flybe when I go to london to work is it gives me 45mins more flexibilty on the return so I can do a full days work in London that day and still get back to Guernsey that night.