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Point taken CR. However, regional airports are no longer attracting a broad spectrum of airlines but increasingly are becoming the homebase for one or two airlines e.g. Jet2 and BMI at Newcastle. After all FR are doing more to promote SNN than the SAA. EI unlikely to do the same for ORK. Therefore the CAA should take the lead and join forces with EI/RE and other airlines together with Cork/Kerry tourism and promote Cork abroad as a quality product e.g. fly with an upmarket LCC; use a smart looking terminal as port of entry/exit and enjoy what the region has to offer - Kinsale; food in West Cork etc.
For the local market i.e Munster, the CAA should talk up ORK's interlining options. While SNN gets you from A to B, ORK gets you further with its direct connections to user friendly hubs such as AMS; CDG and (hopefully) PRG. Again, rather than glossy photos, a world map such as currently used on the CSA website would suffice.
The CAA could be creative by rotating its marketing campaign between airlines using the airport to counter any perceived bias. I'm sure that if the CAA was willing to use part of its budget to promote airlines based at ORK, it would attract more of them.
For the local market i.e Munster, the CAA should talk up ORK's interlining options. While SNN gets you from A to B, ORK gets you further with its direct connections to user friendly hubs such as AMS; CDG and (hopefully) PRG. Again, rather than glossy photos, a world map such as currently used on the CSA website would suffice.
The CAA could be creative by rotating its marketing campaign between airlines using the airport to counter any perceived bias. I'm sure that if the CAA was willing to use part of its budget to promote airlines based at ORK, it would attract more of them.
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I see from the Slattery Sun website that for next winter their Lanzarote
programme from ORK will be using the EI scheduled service on Saturday.
The same applies from DUB.
The EI scheduled service is a gain, but with the loss of a weekly charter flight.
Off topic Slatterys have bought Stein travel.
programme from ORK will be using the EI scheduled service on Saturday.
The same applies from DUB.
The EI scheduled service is a gain, but with the loss of a weekly charter flight.
Off topic Slatterys have bought Stein travel.
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They would be far better off putting some of their marketing money back into the facilities by getting rid of the need to walk in the rain to the aircraft. Without that, they are wasting their time trying to promote a "quality" airport. They may get the Continental tourists once, but they wont be back for their next holiday.
They would be far better off putting some of their marketing money back into the facilities by getting rid of the need to walk in the rain to the aircraft. Without that, they are wasting their time trying to promote a "quality" airport. They may get the Continental tourists once, but they wont be back for their next holiday.
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Agree on that. And whatever about one off tourists, the CAA would do well to look after regular users of the airport by providing a basic service where one does not get drenched to the skin when boarding an aircraft. Blowing money on billboard advertising is a complete waste, especially when the CAA complain they are short of resources. Spend the money on putting in a canopy or providing an airside bus, or even pouring some more concrete for biz jet parking.
Agree on that. And whatever about one off tourists, the CAA would do well to look after regular users of the airport by providing a basic service where one does not get drenched to the skin when boarding an aircraft. Blowing money on billboard advertising is a complete waste, especially when the CAA complain they are short of resources. Spend the money on putting in a canopy or providing an airside bus, or even pouring some more concrete for biz jet parking.
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To come back to the bus situation. It's my understanding that these should be provided by Servisair etc. rather than the CAA. There are even parking places for buses marked out near gates 1 and 2, but nobody is providing them.
And a walkway... It amuses me that they cover the walkway between the carpark and the terminal and not between the gates and the stands. Appear to provide a good service until someone is actually taking a plane.
And a walkway... It amuses me that they cover the walkway between the carpark and the terminal and not between the gates and the stands. Appear to provide a good service until someone is actually taking a plane.
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another route lost for Cork as bmibaby decide to pull the Durham Tees Valley route - passenger numbers will be seriously damaged at Cork due to the continued loss of routes and airlines
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Although, this is because of bmibaby pulling out of MME, so it's not one we can blame on airport management in Cork.
I'm growing increasingly doubtful about them as an airline, so the CAA could do well to look for a replacement on the Manchester route before they find it unserved.
Although, this is because of bmibaby pulling out of MME, so it's not one we can blame on airport management in Cork.
I'm growing increasingly doubtful about them as an airline, so the CAA could do well to look for a replacement on the Manchester route before they find it unserved.
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No, I dont blame the Cork Airport Management team, but I agree with you about looking for another carrier for that route. I think EI could perhaps do very well on that route - with good advertising
No, I dont blame the Cork Airport Management team, but I agree with you about looking for another carrier for that route. I think EI could perhaps do very well on that route - with good advertising
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This may motivate Jet2 to yet again increase frequency on its Newcastle route. Ryanair could also make MME work. But I imagine that Ryanair would base an aircraft at MME before they'd base another one at ORK...
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For gods sake! Another route (at least its not an airline) gone.
Dissapointing stuff. What it was is BMI Baby pulled out of Durham Tees Valley because of the costs. Thats why they had to pull the Cork route.
Lets hope Jet2 will increase flights now!
Dissapointing stuff. What it was is BMI Baby pulled out of Durham Tees Valley because of the costs. Thats why they had to pull the Cork route.
Lets hope Jet2 will increase flights now!
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Jet2 played this one safe and one.
It's very unfortunate that Cork has lost another route, butl ike Jet2 had fate so should BMI Baby and drop frequencies on that one too. I can see BMI Baby pulling out soon if we don't start making Cork appealing. But I doubt they will on second thought with their routes to Manchester and Birmingham doing extremely well.
And it all started off with Michael O' Leary getting rid of easyJet.
It's very unfortunate that Cork has lost another route, butl ike Jet2 had fate so should BMI Baby and drop frequencies on that one too. I can see BMI Baby pulling out soon if we don't start making Cork appealing. But I doubt they will on second thought with their routes to Manchester and Birmingham doing extremely well.
And it all started off with Michael O' Leary getting rid of easyJet.
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I wouldnt say the Summer 07 timetables have been finalised in EI's scheduling dept, so we will probably see Rome and some other destinations with extra rotations!
I doubt ORK will see CPH service from EI, as they dropped the route from DUB. Riga, Milan, Palma, LasPalmas, and Budapest would see likely as new routes from ORK. With CSA leaving ORK, EI might increase flights to Prague. They've done a good job at driving CSA out, so they could start Budapest to drive Malev out. With TFS and ACE, LasPalmas seems logical
as so many people fly their already with charter airlines. Geneva may also be a possible route for next winter.
With very little competition on routes to Europe ex Cork, EI will probably expand, and defend its base there. With falling yeilds on routes from Dublin due to FR's competition, Cork might be the money maker EI need!
I doubt ORK will see CPH service from EI, as they dropped the route from DUB. Riga, Milan, Palma, LasPalmas, and Budapest would see likely as new routes from ORK. With CSA leaving ORK, EI might increase flights to Prague. They've done a good job at driving CSA out, so they could start Budapest to drive Malev out. With TFS and ACE, LasPalmas seems logical
as so many people fly their already with charter airlines. Geneva may also be a possible route for next winter.
With very little competition on routes to Europe ex Cork, EI will probably expand, and defend its base there. With falling yeilds on routes from Dublin due to FR's competition, Cork might be the money maker EI need!
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I can't see Ryanair allowing EI to expand further in Cork without reacting in some way. Looks as if the airport could be dominated by Harps and Shamrocks before too long more.
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Cork had some low cloud early last Saturday afternoon with RVRs down to 250 metres. Two bmi baby flights from Birmingham and Manchester ended up diverting to Shannon along with the EI825 from Nice and the final Aer Arann flight of the season from Jersey also diverted to Kerry. More much needed lost revenue for Cork amid the guffaws of derision from the airport in the midwest.
Also, the Malev winter schedule begins early this year. There are no more Friday evening flights from Budapest to Cork as the last one for this season was flown last Friday, 15th September with a Fokker 70. The schedule will now be arrivals into Cork on Thursdays, Sundays and Mondays and departures for Budapest on Fridays, Mondays and Tuesdays.
Also, the Malev winter schedule begins early this year. There are no more Friday evening flights from Budapest to Cork as the last one for this season was flown last Friday, 15th September with a Fokker 70. The schedule will now be arrivals into Cork on Thursdays, Sundays and Mondays and departures for Budapest on Fridays, Mondays and Tuesdays.
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Tom,
While I thoroughly enjoy your musings, please give it up with this whole airport in the midwest lark! There arent crowds of us up here laughing just because you have a wx diversion!
While I thoroughly enjoy your musings, please give it up with this whole airport in the midwest lark! There arent crowds of us up here laughing just because you have a wx diversion!
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That is the problem though and so clearly identifies what Cork has been up against - the decades of twisted, favouring patronage towards Shannon via the stopover etc by consecutive, shabby Fianna Fail governments, an equally shabby Aer Rianta and a Pontius Pilat attitude by a civil service dictating terms to an earlier Aer Lingus so enjoyed by Shannon has been nothing but a national shame, a farce, a stinking corrosion and has done nothing but to support Shannon & the midwest region whilst at the same time has done the absolute maximum damage elsewhere to aviation and to air transport policy in Ireland.
The notorious feuding gangs from the council estates of Limerick have not had to travel very far to take lessons in the black arts.
The notorious feuding gangs from the council estates of Limerick have not had to travel very far to take lessons in the black arts.
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I thought that this was an aviation forum, now we are discussing crime in
Ireland!
Yes Tom please try and adopt a more positive attitude, most of your postings are of a negative nature. Everything that happens in Cork that is not to your liking is the responsibility of Shannon, Kerry or somewhere else.
Ireland!
Yes Tom please try and adopt a more positive attitude, most of your postings are of a negative nature. Everything that happens in Cork that is not to your liking is the responsibility of Shannon, Kerry or somewhere else.
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To be fair to Tom, Irish Aviation Policy has been a joke. The Shannon Stopover (a throw back to the flying boat era) has hindered long haul flights out of Ireland for decades and continues to do so even as Aerlingus is about to be privatised.
The piecemeal development of Dublin Airport is also testimony to years of neglect as is the lack of any real vision for Cork untill very recently.
Having said that an odd diversion from Cork isn't going to save many jobs at Shannon. The DAA have rightly identified the fact that Shannon's cost base is unsustainable and have correctly put an embargo on any further recruitment.
Any further withdrawals from Cork could also have serious implications for jobs there as the days of loss making state airports being bailed out appear to be an end. Servisair in particular will be affected when CSA, Easyjet and Loganair go and BMI Baby drop Durham. Also Charters are significantly down this summer as Aerlingus open more and more Sun Routes.
The piecemeal development of Dublin Airport is also testimony to years of neglect as is the lack of any real vision for Cork untill very recently.
Having said that an odd diversion from Cork isn't going to save many jobs at Shannon. The DAA have rightly identified the fact that Shannon's cost base is unsustainable and have correctly put an embargo on any further recruitment.
Any further withdrawals from Cork could also have serious implications for jobs there as the days of loss making state airports being bailed out appear to be an end. Servisair in particular will be affected when CSA, Easyjet and Loganair go and BMI Baby drop Durham. Also Charters are significantly down this summer as Aerlingus open more and more Sun Routes.
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I have to agree with JohnRizzo2000 in that Cork will simply become a Shamrocks and Harps airport, with the two battling it out. AerLingus will probably continue to put the squeeze on those smaller operators who have opened up some routes and gradually those smaller players will be forced out. Similarly, expect FR to make a big splash once they focus their guns on Cork, which I think they will eventually do. Interestingly, FR more or less have SNN to themselves on euro routes, whereas EI is the dominant player at Cork. Will Cork become a carbon copy of their battle at Dublin? Or will they leave each other alone, with FR having SNN to itself and EI having ORK. Either way, intersting times ahead.
Finally Tom the Tenor, while we all know Irish aviation policy has been a complete joke, I think it is all too easy for the gang at Cork to simply blame the SNN lobby for all their ills. Cork should concentrate on getting its own act together rather than looking enviously over the shoulder at SNN.
Finally Tom the Tenor, while we all know Irish aviation policy has been a complete joke, I think it is all too easy for the gang at Cork to simply blame the SNN lobby for all their ills. Cork should concentrate on getting its own act together rather than looking enviously over the shoulder at SNN.
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ah jaysus lads, ye have me feelin sorry for poor tom now!
You do make the point well though, its unfair to just blame SNN for everything.. you may forget, but for many years we in SNN had to endure the trek to ORK to catch a European flight, in much the same way as the stopover lark means a trip up here for yourselves.
Additionally, although we may well have the airbridges and the long runway, those airbridges are pretty much in tatters, and the runway could do with a re-surface, so we havent exactly been getting it all our own way! In any case, the notion that we are laughing in SNN and constantly trying to get one over on ORK is nonsense.
By the way, for the record, I dont and never have agreed with the stopover policy. This place has been shored up for too bloody long and needs to stand on its own two feet.
Might I add tom, you have enough problems with Crime and gangs in ORK, just been lucky enough to avoid getting the bad name!
You do make the point well though, its unfair to just blame SNN for everything.. you may forget, but for many years we in SNN had to endure the trek to ORK to catch a European flight, in much the same way as the stopover lark means a trip up here for yourselves.
Additionally, although we may well have the airbridges and the long runway, those airbridges are pretty much in tatters, and the runway could do with a re-surface, so we havent exactly been getting it all our own way! In any case, the notion that we are laughing in SNN and constantly trying to get one over on ORK is nonsense.
By the way, for the record, I dont and never have agreed with the stopover policy. This place has been shored up for too bloody long and needs to stand on its own two feet.
Might I add tom, you have enough problems with Crime and gangs in ORK, just been lucky enough to avoid getting the bad name!