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Aer Arann can sustain the brutal attack of FR on the DUB route for one reason, and one reason only....flexability. With RE you can arrive at Check-In as little as 15mins prior to departure and they'll still let you on. Try that with FR and youll be told in no uncertain terms to "F*** off",or some variation of that theme. As long as RE are sensitive to the needs of the business passengers they'll do OK.
The only new entrant that could make a London to Ireland service work in the future is a carrier prepared to interline baggage with a vast array of carriers. I won't hold my breath!
The only new entrant that could make a London to Ireland service work in the future is a carrier prepared to interline baggage with a vast array of carriers. I won't hold my breath!
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Originally Posted by ryan2000
Surely Scandanavia, Brussells , Frankfurt and Zurich would have a fighting chance.
While Zurich is a great place to visit, and also not so far from the beautiful Lake Constance (Bodensee) region, I just can't imagine it being a successful Cork route
The only Swiss route that would work in my opinion would be Geneva. It's proximity to the Alps and ski/golf resorts would make it a winner. It also offers convenient connections to the important French city of Lyon, as well of course to Swiss cities. EMC has a significant presence in Lausanne (near Geneva) too. I wonder are there many business trips made between Ovens and Lausanne currently? My brother-in-law's Waterford based company is regularly sending him to the Swiss cities of Geneva, Lausanne, Neuchatel and Bern (nearly always from ORK via AMS). There is a business market between Munster and Switzerland definitely.
Frankfurt, you mentioned, would however be an instance success I'm sure
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I agree the Munich route was a terrible loss for Cork. I have a buddy who was going out with a girl in Munich. He often flew from Cork to Munich, and said that in the last few months, the loads were really excellent. That despite the fact that Aer Lingus didn't advertise it all that much, and not at all in Munich.
Another friend of mine who works for BMW Cork, said that BMW HQ in Munich when organising a business trip for him from Cork to Munich last January arranged for him to fly DUB - CDG - MUC. Apparently they had never even heard of Aer Lingus, not to mind of the direct route between Cork and Munich!
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey
Aer Arann can sustain the brutal attack of FR on the DUB route for one reason, and one reason only....flexability. With RE you can arrive at Check-In as little as 15mins prior to departure and they'll still let you on. Try that with FR and youll be told in no uncertain terms to "F*** off",or some variation of that theme.
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EI896,
For your information the following is taken from the RYR website.
Standard opening of airport check-in desks is two hours prior to scheduled departure. Early check-in is highly recommended. Check-in closes strictly 40 minutes before the scheduled time of departure. We reserve the right to cancel your reservation and to deny you boarding if you do not comply with this Check-in Deadline indicated.
Going with the times you detailed, check in was closed 20 minutes before your friend's father tried to book in. It might not be correct in your mind but the delay in letting a late passenger on will hold up not only that flight but will also have aknock on effect for the remaining flights by that aircraft throughout the day.
For your information the following is taken from the RYR website.
Standard opening of airport check-in desks is two hours prior to scheduled departure. Early check-in is highly recommended. Check-in closes strictly 40 minutes before the scheduled time of departure. We reserve the right to cancel your reservation and to deny you boarding if you do not comply with this Check-in Deadline indicated.
Going with the times you detailed, check in was closed 20 minutes before your friend's father tried to book in. It might not be correct in your mind but the delay in letting a late passenger on will hold up not only that flight but will also have aknock on effect for the remaining flights by that aircraft throughout the day.
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Furthermore, Ryanair do not have ground staff at Cork so it was probably the handling agent that refused him access.
In any event most Irish people who whinge about Ryanair continue to fly with them as Easyjet found out to their cost. Quality service doesn't seem to matter in Aviation any more.
In any event most Irish people who whinge about Ryanair continue to fly with them as Easyjet found out to their cost. Quality service doesn't seem to matter in Aviation any more.
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Today's Examiner
"A GOVERNMENT decision on how to resolve the long-running dispute about who should pay for Cork Airport’s €160 million debt will probably be made in September, according to Enterprise Minister Micheál Martin.
But as thefinishing touches are put on the airport’s new terminal for the arrival of the first passengers tomorrow, uncertainty remains over whether the local board or the Dublin Airport Authority must bear the cost.
The row between both boards has been raging since it emerged 15 months ago that former Transport Minister Seamus Brennan’s 2003 promise that Cork Airport’s debt would be wiped out in the breakup of Aer Rianta might not be kept.
Instead of being absorbed by Dublin Airport Authority as originally planned, it is believed the Government may decide the burden should be divided equally between both airports. Any such move is being strongly opposed by local interests in Cork, including Fianna Fáil backbenchers, who fear that consequent additions to passenger charges could affect airport business and regional development.
Mr Brennan’s successor, Martin Cullen, recently received a report on the issue from consultants BDO Simpson Xavier, which he has asked to be reviewed by PriceWaterhouseCoopers.
Mr Martin, who is facing considerable political pressure as the local Government minister, said it is likely that a decision would be reached in September but he would not predict what it would be.
“There has been an analysis carried out by BDO, PriceWaterhouse are examining that as we speak and I would be confident that we will arrive at a solution that will respect the core principle of protecting the competitiveness of Cork Airport,” he said.
Finance Minister Brian Cowen, who was also in Cork at the weekend, asserted that the airport is in a strong position and will continue to thrive.
Asked about the wisdom of Mr Brennan’s commitment, which now appears might not be kept, Mr Martin praised his Government colleague.
“We wouldn’t have a terminal if it weren’t for Seamus Brennan because he took the bit between the teeth and raised the borrowing capacity for Aer Rianta at the time. It was a big leap of faith,” he said.
Passengers from an early flight from London tomorrow will be the first to enter the arrival hall at the new terminal.
The original terminal, which opened in 1961, will continue handling departures for another fortnight, with all business being done from the new building from August 15."
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But as thefinishing touches are put on the airport’s new terminal for the arrival of the first passengers tomorrow, uncertainty remains over whether the local board or the Dublin Airport Authority must bear the cost.
The row between both boards has been raging since it emerged 15 months ago that former Transport Minister Seamus Brennan’s 2003 promise that Cork Airport’s debt would be wiped out in the breakup of Aer Rianta might not be kept.
Instead of being absorbed by Dublin Airport Authority as originally planned, it is believed the Government may decide the burden should be divided equally between both airports. Any such move is being strongly opposed by local interests in Cork, including Fianna Fáil backbenchers, who fear that consequent additions to passenger charges could affect airport business and regional development.
Mr Brennan’s successor, Martin Cullen, recently received a report on the issue from consultants BDO Simpson Xavier, which he has asked to be reviewed by PriceWaterhouseCoopers.
Mr Martin, who is facing considerable political pressure as the local Government minister, said it is likely that a decision would be reached in September but he would not predict what it would be.
“There has been an analysis carried out by BDO, PriceWaterhouse are examining that as we speak and I would be confident that we will arrive at a solution that will respect the core principle of protecting the competitiveness of Cork Airport,” he said.
Finance Minister Brian Cowen, who was also in Cork at the weekend, asserted that the airport is in a strong position and will continue to thrive.
Asked about the wisdom of Mr Brennan’s commitment, which now appears might not be kept, Mr Martin praised his Government colleague.
“We wouldn’t have a terminal if it weren’t for Seamus Brennan because he took the bit between the teeth and raised the borrowing capacity for Aer Rianta at the time. It was a big leap of faith,” he said.
Passengers from an early flight from London tomorrow will be the first to enter the arrival hall at the new terminal.
The original terminal, which opened in 1961, will continue handling departures for another fortnight, with all business being done from the new building from August 15."
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Originally Posted by Runway 31
EI896,
For your information the following is taken from the RYR website.
Standard opening of airport check-in desks is two hours prior to scheduled departure. Early check-in is highly recommended. Check-in closes strictly 40 minutes before the scheduled time of departure. We reserve the right to cancel your reservation and to deny you boarding if you do not comply with this Check-in Deadline indicated.
Going with the times you detailed, check in was closed 20 minutes before your friend's father tried to book in. It might not be correct in your mind but the delay in letting a late passenger on will hold up not only that flight but will also have aknock on effect for the remaining flights by that aircraft throughout the day.
For your information the following is taken from the RYR website.
Standard opening of airport check-in desks is two hours prior to scheduled departure. Early check-in is highly recommended. Check-in closes strictly 40 minutes before the scheduled time of departure. We reserve the right to cancel your reservation and to deny you boarding if you do not comply with this Check-in Deadline indicated.
Going with the times you detailed, check in was closed 20 minutes before your friend's father tried to book in. It might not be correct in your mind but the delay in letting a late passenger on will hold up not only that flight but will also have aknock on effect for the remaining flights by that aircraft throughout the day.
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Minister Micheal Martin is trying to distract the mind's of Cork people with his ol' waffle in today's Irish Examiner about the BDO report first going to Price Waterhouse before announing our airport's fate. If there was any good news to report about the airport's debt it would be broadcast loudly in the hours and days before the new terminal opens tomorrow. In the hulabaloo of the terminal's phased opening over the next fortnight the government are guessing the subject of the debt will be somewhat sidetracked and then in September the axe will fall and the question is how much of the cost the airport will be left with to service in repayments. Just what repayments have snn had to make down the decades for all their refurbishments etc?
Pobal na Chorcai - tabhair aire ar an nuacht seo! Also, Mr Martin's praising of Seamus Brennan and how grateful we should be to him for taking the bit between his teeth for a new terminal for Cork is just more of the poo, poo!
They are at it again, the ducking and the diving over Cork Airport!
Pobal na Chorcai - tabhair aire ar an nuacht seo! Also, Mr Martin's praising of Seamus Brennan and how grateful we should be to him for taking the bit between his teeth for a new terminal for Cork is just more of the poo, poo!
They are at it again, the ducking and the diving over Cork Airport!
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Isn't it ironic that Ryanair will have the honour of being the first airline into the new terminal 6 days after cutting back on Gatwick flights and seeing Easyjet off from Cork.
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Was at the airport a few hours ago and saw 2 CS reg private jets, I think they were both Citations, just wondering are these Netjets,
New terminal looked very impressive, best of luck to everyone today.
New terminal looked very impressive, best of luck to everyone today.
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These two departed from Cork this morning,both with NJE callsigns so I guess they were the two C550s you saw land late yesterday evening:
08:03A NJE1ZQ C550 EICK EGLC
08:20A NJE7EV C550 EICK EGHI
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These two departed from Cork this morning,both with NJE callsigns so I guess they were the two C550s you saw land late yesterday evening:
08:03A NJE1ZQ C550 EICK EGLC
08:20A NJE7EV C550 EICK EGHI
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Originally Posted by EI896
Sorry Runway 31, I didn't know it was such a big deal with denieing passengers, But all the same Ryanair should not be saying F*ck off to any passengers at all, and yet they do!!! And I thought that it was only 25mins before take-off check in closes???
It's sad though, there's no doubt about that! But at some point you just have to say stop....
And as Ryan2000 says the company which does the check-in/handling for Ryanair gets the bullocking/penalty if they delay the flight in any way!
Unfortunately flying is still something different then catching a bus....
Maybe it's a way of saying F*ck off to late passengers, but at least it's an honest way...I can say it with a smile and other words, but you still will get the same result: No sorry sir, but you are late for a flight, so you can't get on
If you don't wanna miss the bus...get your ass there early
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New Terminal - New Website
Just checked the web and discovered that Cork Airport have finally updated their website with a new site! "www.corkairport.com" although "www.corkairport.ie" seemS still to be directing to the old site - probably just a small technical issue. Anyway it looks like the marketing people at the airport have started to make a visible impact, with the Radio & Press advertisements and finally with a makeover of the dreary "Aer Rianta Cork" website.
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Was there some sort of emergency this morning? I heard it on the radio but couldn't make out exactly what was said, All I heard is that they landed on 35 and the runway was later re-opened..... Anyone have any info?
New terminal looked great on the 1pm news on RTE
New terminal looked great on the 1pm news on RTE
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A light aircrafts under carriage collasped on runway 35 today, the aircraft was removed at about 1000z, leaving the ei841 which was holding for approx 20 mins land. To the best of my knowledge not a major issue , looks like a 4x4 towed the aircraft off runway 35
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Originally Posted by ryan2000
Expect fares to rise now on Cork London as capacity decreases
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Thanks for the info Global Pilot
Is there any fractional ownership/subscription/netjet type of operation based at Cork permanently?
Hope today went well for all involved for the big opening.
Is there any fractional ownership/subscription/netjet type of operation based at Cork permanently?
Hope today went well for all involved for the big opening.
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Only biz jets based there are the 2 EMC 125's. Others are not allowed stay due to the shortage of parking stands. CAA losing a fortune in revenue by requesting biz-jets and others to park in Kerry and Shannon.
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New site is ...good 
I see in the terminal maps http://www.corkairport.com/airport_guide/terminal.html that landside there is only the "Red bar", with the "Sports bar" being exclusively for departing passengers...
Pity because the sports bar looks more inviting / comfy http://www.corkairport.com/business/new_terminal1.html than the red bar...
That's probably the idea though. Get the passengers through the security checks asap
I see in the terminal maps http://www.corkairport.com/airport_guide/terminal.html that landside there is only the "Red bar", with the "Sports bar" being exclusively for departing passengers...
Pity because the sports bar looks more inviting / comfy http://www.corkairport.com/business/new_terminal1.html than the red bar...
That's probably the idea though. Get the passengers through the security checks asap