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With EI about to commit a 5th overnightinging aircraft for the summer of 2007 i wonder where all these aircraft are going to park at night. Yesterday morning every stand from stand 4 to stand 15 was been used, not wanting to disappoint the pprune lovers of cork airport but our lovely new 200m building is too small already. And still even upto this evening our most valuable 1 airbridge is still hanging there idle ..... Discuss !!!!!!
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CSA will be gone unless they do a U turn although Ryanair might well have a 2nd aircraft based there and I can't see them taking NO an answer from OCC .
Charters will surely be pressurised to avoid the late evening hours when parking is at a premium and as for biz jets etc, they'll be shunted off to Kerry and Shannon.
Has anyone calculated how much Cork has lost in revenue in parking fees and landing fees since it started to make it awkard for General Aviation visitors. Did it ever occur to them that what is needed is some extra concrete?
Charters will surely be pressurised to avoid the late evening hours when parking is at a premium and as for biz jets etc, they'll be shunted off to Kerry and Shannon.
Has anyone calculated how much Cork has lost in revenue in parking fees and landing fees since it started to make it awkard for General Aviation visitors. Did it ever occur to them that what is needed is some extra concrete?
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Have to agree with ryan2000, you can build a terminal in Cork to handle as many pax as you want, but its irrelevant if the airside infrastucture doesnt support this.
Cork needs more stands.
What would the chances of extending taxiway Charlie through 17/35 for some remote parking to the west. Or bravo through 07/25, there seems to be alot of space there.
With regards to the parallel taxiway, the plan in the old terminal had it on the east side. As stated before there are some issues with the club that make this difficult. Why not have on the west side of the runway. Planes on the main apron could use alpha, charlie, 07/25 to access it.
Cork needs more stands.
What would the chances of extending taxiway Charlie through 17/35 for some remote parking to the west. Or bravo through 07/25, there seems to be alot of space there.
With regards to the parallel taxiway, the plan in the old terminal had it on the east side. As stated before there are some issues with the club that make this difficult. Why not have on the west side of the runway. Planes on the main apron could use alpha, charlie, 07/25 to access it.
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New business.
Reports about EI putting an additional 320 in Cork have been circulating at the airport for some weeks and are firmly based .
The 2nd FR738 rumour surfaces from time to time and is a bit more difficult to assess. Many of the UK provincial cities served at present by ATR's i.e Southampton, Bristol, Cardiff, Edinburgh, Leeds are tailor made for Ryanair as are Glasgow (Loganair withdrawing), East Midlands, Bournmouth etc.
It also will be intersting if FR's decision to go head to head with EI in Dublin will be replicated at Cork or will they allow the latter to have a monopoly to Berlin, Paris ,Rome, Barcelona, Malaga, Faro, Lanzarote etc.
Of course the impact on yields at SNN will be another factor.
The 2nd FR738 rumour surfaces from time to time and is a bit more difficult to assess. Many of the UK provincial cities served at present by ATR's i.e Southampton, Bristol, Cardiff, Edinburgh, Leeds are tailor made for Ryanair as are Glasgow (Loganair withdrawing), East Midlands, Bournmouth etc.
It also will be intersting if FR's decision to go head to head with EI in Dublin will be replicated at Cork or will they allow the latter to have a monopoly to Berlin, Paris ,Rome, Barcelona, Malaga, Faro, Lanzarote etc.
Of course the impact on yields at SNN will be another factor.
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The 2nd FR738 rumour surfaces from time to time and is a bit more difficult to assess. Many of the UK provincial cities served at present by ATR's i.e Southampton, Bristol, Cardiff, Edinburgh, Leeds are tailor made for Ryanair as are Glasgow (Loganair withdrawing), East Midlands, Bournmouth etc.
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I'd heard that one too, although it was spoken of as a strong possibility rather than the definite "about to commit".
At the moment, Nice is dropping off the winter schedule with Malaga, Alicante and Faro operating on reduced schedules, so a new aircraft could use a lot of its time bringing those routes up to last Summer's schedule, while maintaining the new Winter routes. I suspect we might see Amsterdam going back to double-daily every day (where it was in Summer 2002!).
I don't know if a fifth aircraft will bring all that many new routes.
At the moment, Nice is dropping off the winter schedule with Malaga, Alicante and Faro operating on reduced schedules, so a new aircraft could use a lot of its time bringing those routes up to last Summer's schedule, while maintaining the new Winter routes. I suspect we might see Amsterdam going back to double-daily every day (where it was in Summer 2002!).
I don't know if a fifth aircraft will bring all that many new routes.
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5th EI A320 or not who cares!? The CAA? They don't so why should we?
If easyJet and CSA could have been hung on to for next summer that would have done just fine. As it is Cork will be losing out on a quality connection to a great interlining hub in Prague from next January on CSA's departure and the marked drop in capacity to Gatwick from when easyJet quit at month's end and when FR halve their capacity on the route just you wait and see what will happen to London fare prices along with the loss of UK tourists to the Cork & Kerry areas as the UK city break travellers are fond of flying the flag and flying with one of their own carriers whenever possible. I am still convinced that with the tiniest bit of effort Cork could have saved an easyJet presence with a least one flight but what is preferred instead is another FR Cork-Dublin service. For heaven's sake!
It appears to me that the CAA do not have a clue, not an idea! Have you any idea just how sad it is to see the September issue of the easyJet inflight magazine and seeing Cork being mentioned for the final time? It broke my heart over the weekend.
Cork should be ashamed of themselves but then again they know little shame. Everything is arseways at Cork just like it has always been. Even with a few of the EI A320, a Futura or two, some Ryanairs, RE ATR and if you get them all around together the new airside areas of the terminal are still stretched as grand n' all as the new place is and the ongoing shafting of some corporate users by the banishing of some bizjets to the likes of Shannon for overnight parking it is clear that few lessons are being learnt at Cork. The limited ramp, the short runway & lack of CATIII, all the problems remain along with expensive restaurants with so many disinterested employes whom prefer to chat around with each other rather than serving customers and best of all you have the CAA busy bodies in their yellow dayglo strutting around the place like they are generals and are God's gift to airport management thinking that they know it all. International standards, how are ya! Whom do they model themselves on - is it the BAA at the London airports? That is some standard all right!
What will now happen over the debt of the new Cork terminal? Even Cullen and the shower in the Department of Transport must rethink again what the conclusions were in the consultantcy reports in the light of easyJet's imminent departure and the impending departure of CSA next January. There is now no way at all Cork can take on much of the burden for the new terminal with so much business being lost as the income will simply be not there!
Every cloud has a silver lining! Some cloud!
If easyJet and CSA could have been hung on to for next summer that would have done just fine. As it is Cork will be losing out on a quality connection to a great interlining hub in Prague from next January on CSA's departure and the marked drop in capacity to Gatwick from when easyJet quit at month's end and when FR halve their capacity on the route just you wait and see what will happen to London fare prices along with the loss of UK tourists to the Cork & Kerry areas as the UK city break travellers are fond of flying the flag and flying with one of their own carriers whenever possible. I am still convinced that with the tiniest bit of effort Cork could have saved an easyJet presence with a least one flight but what is preferred instead is another FR Cork-Dublin service. For heaven's sake!
It appears to me that the CAA do not have a clue, not an idea! Have you any idea just how sad it is to see the September issue of the easyJet inflight magazine and seeing Cork being mentioned for the final time? It broke my heart over the weekend.
Cork should be ashamed of themselves but then again they know little shame. Everything is arseways at Cork just like it has always been. Even with a few of the EI A320, a Futura or two, some Ryanairs, RE ATR and if you get them all around together the new airside areas of the terminal are still stretched as grand n' all as the new place is and the ongoing shafting of some corporate users by the banishing of some bizjets to the likes of Shannon for overnight parking it is clear that few lessons are being learnt at Cork. The limited ramp, the short runway & lack of CATIII, all the problems remain along with expensive restaurants with so many disinterested employes whom prefer to chat around with each other rather than serving customers and best of all you have the CAA busy bodies in their yellow dayglo strutting around the place like they are generals and are God's gift to airport management thinking that they know it all. International standards, how are ya! Whom do they model themselves on - is it the BAA at the London airports? That is some standard all right!
What will now happen over the debt of the new Cork terminal? Even Cullen and the shower in the Department of Transport must rethink again what the conclusions were in the consultantcy reports in the light of easyJet's imminent departure and the impending departure of CSA next January. There is now no way at all Cork can take on much of the burden for the new terminal with so much business being lost as the income will simply be not there!
Every cloud has a silver lining! Some cloud!
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A business colleague told me of his unexpected cold shower this morning running along the apron to catch his flight from Cork - drenched to the skin in a downpour, along with everyone else on the aircraft, and grumbling about the farcical situation the DAA have allowed Cork to degenerate into. Surely the airlines must have some clout with the jokers who are more than capable of providing a 21st century terminal but turn a blind eye to customer facilities - no doubt they think the customers will just blame the airlines who, in reality, must be jumping up and down and being ignored by powers that be.
Dear DAA,
It rains a lot in Cork. Can we please have some cover or a bus when we need to get onto aircraft that are not parked directly outside your new terminal. If it's not TOO much to ask.
Yours damply,
A disgruntled customer (yes, we are all YOUR customers too)
Dear DAA,
It rains a lot in Cork. Can we please have some cover or a bus when we need to get onto aircraft that are not parked directly outside your new terminal. If it's not TOO much to ask.
Yours damply,
A disgruntled customer (yes, we are all YOUR customers too)
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Heard another story from Cork this evening that there yet may be a tiny, tiny thread of hope about CSA and Prague in that the final decision regarding their intentions towards Cork is to be made some time this week. However, this seems to contradict what is showing on the CSA website for late next January which has a connection to Prague from Cork with Malev through good ol' Budapest. Either way, it looks like Cork's fate will at last be decided upon in the coming days.
To complement JDB1052's story about renewed wettings on the ramp at Cork like on Monday morning it must also be noted that the solitary airbridge continues to be out of action. What a poor impression that must give to the airlines that had expressed a willingness to try out the new facility and so between the drenched pax and the gamy airbridge Cork is once again being shown up. You can be sure such a poor state of affairs would not exist at Shannon.
There is yet another story from Cork and golly it is not for the squeamish! The story that I am hearing is that the ground and first floor of the old terminal is becoming rat infested! I am not surprised by this turn of events. The drains from the kitchen sinks that were used to wash the pots of pans are probably so choked with decades of rotting & decayed food waste which is no longer being kept down with near continuous flows of hot water the rats are able to make an appearance and until all the rotted food is used up by the rats the infestation is likely to continue.
How very sad. What it does is to sum up in a metaphor some of the story of Cork and Irish avation what between the slackness at the heart of a lot that passed for effort & lack of vision at Cork down the years and the insipid, rotten and decaying corruption of what the Shannon stopover represents for flights between Ireland and North America. In a way, the infestation of the rats in the old terminal at Cork is a kind of brutal handing down of a kind of poetic justice to the sort of national policy on aviation that has been allowed to continue for so many generations. For example, look at the performance of one time transport minister, Mary O'Rourke and her record on air transport and what her line was on the stopover.
The rats are one hell of a judgement.
To complement JDB1052's story about renewed wettings on the ramp at Cork like on Monday morning it must also be noted that the solitary airbridge continues to be out of action. What a poor impression that must give to the airlines that had expressed a willingness to try out the new facility and so between the drenched pax and the gamy airbridge Cork is once again being shown up. You can be sure such a poor state of affairs would not exist at Shannon.
There is yet another story from Cork and golly it is not for the squeamish! The story that I am hearing is that the ground and first floor of the old terminal is becoming rat infested! I am not surprised by this turn of events. The drains from the kitchen sinks that were used to wash the pots of pans are probably so choked with decades of rotting & decayed food waste which is no longer being kept down with near continuous flows of hot water the rats are able to make an appearance and until all the rotted food is used up by the rats the infestation is likely to continue.
How very sad. What it does is to sum up in a metaphor some of the story of Cork and Irish avation what between the slackness at the heart of a lot that passed for effort & lack of vision at Cork down the years and the insipid, rotten and decaying corruption of what the Shannon stopover represents for flights between Ireland and North America. In a way, the infestation of the rats in the old terminal at Cork is a kind of brutal handing down of a kind of poetic justice to the sort of national policy on aviation that has been allowed to continue for so many generations. For example, look at the performance of one time transport minister, Mary O'Rourke and her record on air transport and what her line was on the stopover.
The rats are one hell of a judgement.
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Don't know about EI basing a fifth aircraft at ORK. If you book for post March 07 capacity has been reduced on a number of routes (Nice and Rome x2 per week) and no booking option available for Madrid and Lanzarote.
Does anybody know if CAA are advertising in counties other than Cork. As it is now in competition with SNN, then it should be targeting Kerry, Limerick and Tipperary to persuade travellers from those counties to fly from ORK. Rather then using glossy photos of the new airport, any campaign should identify routes not served out of SNN such as Madrid, Budapest or Prague together with lowest available fares . The campaign should also draw attention to the fact that Cork based routes fly to a city's main airport thereby saving time and additional travel costs on arrival.
Does anybody know if CAA are advertising in counties other than Cork. As it is now in competition with SNN, then it should be targeting Kerry, Limerick and Tipperary to persuade travellers from those counties to fly from ORK. Rather then using glossy photos of the new airport, any campaign should identify routes not served out of SNN such as Madrid, Budapest or Prague together with lowest available fares . The campaign should also draw attention to the fact that Cork based routes fly to a city's main airport thereby saving time and additional travel costs on arrival.
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I'm really surprised that Rome is being reduced!! Rome is one of the most profitable routes from Dublin and Shannon. Are Cork people so indifferent to Italy!!?! It amazes me that the only Cork to Italy scheduled connection next summer will be Cork to Rome with Aer Lingus on Wednesdays and Sundays. (Regarding city breakers etc, I suppose Wednesday and Sunday are as good days as any when compared to Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday
) Up the road in Shannon they can fly to Rome, Milan and Venice 
Warsaw is also set to go from 1-3-5-7 to -2-4-6-!
This the last route I expected to see reduced. Are Aer Lingus feeling the pinch since the other 4 new Polish routes have started up? (And the Berlin route is also transporting some Poles I bet). But I think Aer Lingus should fight their ground on Warsaw. -2-4-6- is not very attractive to city breakers and the like, nor the expats for that matter
It's nice to see Heathrow going back up to 5 flights. Only natural too after the reductions from Easyjet and Ryanair on the Gatwick route.
Eitherway, it's early days yet. The schedules aren't finalised as evident by certain routes still being unscheduled, and the schedule could change again before next summer, especially if an extra aircraft is to come our way
Does anybody know if CAA are advertising in counties other than Cork. As it is now in competition with SNN, then it should be targeting Kerry, Limerick and Tipperary to persuade travellers from those counties to fly from ORK. Rather then using glossy photos of the new airport, any campaign should identify routes not served out of SNN such as Madrid, Budapest or Prague together with lowest available fares . The campaign should also draw attention to the fact that Cork based routes fly to a city's main airport thereby saving time and additional travel costs on arrival.
I agree Cork airport should highlight the routes offered when advertising
But it would be very difficult for them to selectively highlight certain routes. They would have to advertise all routes equally/proportionally so to avoid complaining by the airlines Not so easy when you think about it...
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The schedules for May are a carbon copy of last May when EI ,had only 3 aircraft based in Cork. I suspect that they haven't been updated although an extra FARO appears on Friday mornings.
Cork Manchester has also been mentioned as a distinct possibility. 2 years ago there were 5 flights per day on the route and its now down to a daily BMI Baby service. EI already compete with them on Birmingham so watch this space.
Cork Manchester has also been mentioned as a distinct possibility. 2 years ago there were 5 flights per day on the route and its now down to a daily BMI Baby service. EI already compete with them on Birmingham so watch this space.
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Analysing the summer schedule was totally premature on my part then.
EI have a base at Cork so won't be going anywhere I dare presume. Baby's future in Cork on the otherhand is far more endangered and I would hate to see EI scare them away
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Saw this in the Irish Independent....not too sure what to make of it....is it simply a connecting service to Dublin or Cork for onward travel on a charter?
Waterford airport eyes new routes boost
WATERFORD airport is close to a deal which would see the number of international destinations it operates doubled.
Final agreement on the deal is expected soon - it will see planes taking off from Waterford and using another Irish airport as a hub before flying on to Malaga, Faro and Prague.
At present, Aer Arann operates flights between Waterford and Luton, Manchester and Lorient in France.
Yesterday, former senior management consultant at PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) Graham Doyle was appointed chief executive of the airport.
Chairman Nicky Fewer said talks were at an "advanced stage" with an unnamed airline to fly chartered, seasonal flights between Waterford and the three new destinations.
He said passengers had expressed an interest in new routes from the airport which are usually only accessible though Dublin and Cork airports. The new routes will start running in April 2007.
Waterford airport eyes new routes boost
WATERFORD airport is close to a deal which would see the number of international destinations it operates doubled.
Final agreement on the deal is expected soon - it will see planes taking off from Waterford and using another Irish airport as a hub before flying on to Malaga, Faro and Prague.
At present, Aer Arann operates flights between Waterford and Luton, Manchester and Lorient in France.
Yesterday, former senior management consultant at PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) Graham Doyle was appointed chief executive of the airport.
Chairman Nicky Fewer said talks were at an "advanced stage" with an unnamed airline to fly chartered, seasonal flights between Waterford and the three new destinations.
He said passengers had expressed an interest in new routes from the airport which are usually only accessible though Dublin and Cork airports. The new routes will start running in April 2007.
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Probably a 146 of some description. Waterford came close to a similar agreement two years ago. Should work if fares are competitive with Cork and Dublin scheduled flights. Remember people's first loyalty is to their pockets as Cork Airport found out last year when it tried to launch charters to JFK. Most Cork people continued to opt for the slightly cheaper EI and CO flights out of SNN.
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The airport has purchased some billboard space on the main Cork-Dublin road. Every so often "Cork Airport-The Peoples Choice" can be seen. Hmm, thats all well and good, but unless the airport is the AIRLINES choice there will be eff all people!
The EI schedule dosent seem to be fully loaded, but this makes sense, if EI are currently considering a fifth A320. Have EI finally based flight crew at Cork, or will they still shuttle up and down from DUB? Surely this would be a serious financial and logistical challenge for FIVE a/c?
Im just guessing here, but a fifth a/c could be deployed to MXP, CPH, FRA, MAN, with the rest of the capacity taking AMS to 2x daily and CDG to 10x weekly? That fifth a/c could also do the fifth LHR run. Any thoughts?
The EI schedule dosent seem to be fully loaded, but this makes sense, if EI are currently considering a fifth A320. Have EI finally based flight crew at Cork, or will they still shuttle up and down from DUB? Surely this would be a serious financial and logistical challenge for FIVE a/c?
Im just guessing here, but a fifth a/c could be deployed to MXP, CPH, FRA, MAN, with the rest of the capacity taking AMS to 2x daily and CDG to 10x weekly? That fifth a/c could also do the fifth LHR run. Any thoughts?
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey
Im just guessing here, but a fifth a/c could be deployed to MXP, CPH, FRA, MAN, with the rest of the capacity taking AMS to 2x daily and CDG to 10x weekly? That fifth a/c could also do the fifth LHR run. Any thoughts?
My own guess is that Amsterdam would go to 2x daily and that 2 new destinations would be added at 2x weekly.
At that frequency, the more business oriented destinations (Frankfurt & Copenhagen [which is incidentally not served by Aer Lingus from Dublin]) seem unlikely.
I'd be a little surprised if they went for Dubrovnik. It is currently served only 2x weekly from Dublin, so a Cork service would seem dubious.
If I was putting a bet on it, I'd say Riga 2x weekly and Palma 2x weekly as new destinations with the other new rotations providing extra capacity on existing routes.
Then again, on the last expansion I was convinced Riga would be there and Madrid was the only destination I correctly foresaw...