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Hi guys n gals! A mate of mine is studying business studies at uni and is writing a business plan for his degree. As part of it he has to do proper market research (i'm not business minded so have no idea how he has gone about it lol )! Anyway from it he has concluded that scheduled services from CWL to CDG, MXP, FCO, FRA, MUC, CPN, BCN, MAD, NCE, ATH, PRG, NTE, WAW, JFK, LAX, MCO, IAD, PHL, YYZ, SIN, NRT, HKG, DXB & SYD would work using A320, A330 & A340 aircraft. I know its not real, but this does sound very far fetched well at least for some of the destinations anyway. He has asked me for some feedback and as I said I have no idea about business so if anyone could give some informed comments positive and negative he'd be really greatful!
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BYCREWLGW
Thanks guys!
BYCREWLGW
Market research -
When you ask someone "would you like a flight from your local airport to XYZ", most people will say yes.
The trick is to determine how many will use the service suggested, and how much they would pay.
If there was a simple answer, airlines wouldn't go bust.......
When you ask someone "would you like a flight from your local airport to XYZ", most people will say yes.
The trick is to determine how many will use the service suggested, and how much they would pay.
If there was a simple answer, airlines wouldn't go bust.......
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There's all this talk of several new routes etc etc etc.
Has anyone thought of how the airport will cope with the expansion?
This year, Take the busy days, you can just about get a seat in the departure lounge.....take busy days with a delay...lots of cold bums on the floor even!!
Look at the layout.
In my view there are only 3 stands that can take larger aircraft.... 6/7/10 - Stand 10 A320 up to 763 - Stand 7 757 up to A330 - Stand 6 up to 747.
what happens if more than 3 heavies are in at once? Echo of course! Hardly a proper plane stand for a functioning international airport.
Also at some points throughout the day there aren't even any stands available!
There are just about enough check-in desks available to cope with this years work. And the baggage belt is about as much use as a chocolate ashtray when its busy!
If any major expansion by Zoom CO (
) TOM etc is announced for next year or in the next few years then CIAL need to get this masterplan into action now, not 2030!
Also some TOM route news.... Innsbruck, Chamberry, Salzburg, and quite a few Cruise flights announced for this winter
Has anyone thought of how the airport will cope with the expansion?
This year, Take the busy days, you can just about get a seat in the departure lounge.....take busy days with a delay...lots of cold bums on the floor even!!
Look at the layout.
In my view there are only 3 stands that can take larger aircraft.... 6/7/10 - Stand 10 A320 up to 763 - Stand 7 757 up to A330 - Stand 6 up to 747.
what happens if more than 3 heavies are in at once? Echo of course! Hardly a proper plane stand for a functioning international airport.
Also at some points throughout the day there aren't even any stands available!
There are just about enough check-in desks available to cope with this years work. And the baggage belt is about as much use as a chocolate ashtray when its busy!
If any major expansion by Zoom CO (
) TOM etc is announced for next year or in the next few years then CIAL need to get this masterplan into action now, not 2030!Also some TOM route news.... Innsbruck, Chamberry, Salzburg, and quite a few Cruise flights announced for this winter
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Cool so that brings the TOM flights upto four with FAO x 4 weekly next year so that still leaves 2 routes. Any ideas? SSH maybe ? Was TOMs most demanded route from CWL last winter. Any other Longhaul now that POP has gone ?
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FAO x4 weekly????
TOM have never operated that route before out of CWL, and with baby and MYT operating it, is x4 wkly viable?
With TOM chopping and changing aircraft around, anything could be announced with regards to Long-haul. and POP has been quite popular this year. It just what the prices were to make it so popular which could have been the cause of them dropping it. A direct CUN service could possibly work?
Hopefully through the winter and next year we wont get G-THOJ! Constant problems with it, was stuck in malaga the other day for over 15hrs with a tech prob!
TOM have never operated that route before out of CWL, and with baby and MYT operating it, is x4 wkly viable?
With TOM chopping and changing aircraft around, anything could be announced with regards to Long-haul. and POP has been quite popular this year. It just what the prices were to make it so popular which could have been the cause of them dropping it. A direct CUN service could possibly work?
Hopefully through the winter and next year we wont get G-THOJ! Constant problems with it, was stuck in malaga the other day for over 15hrs with a tech prob!
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As for the long-distance routes floated in his survey by bycrewlgw's pal, many of them are already available from CWL via AMS.
Over the years I have used this connection for inter-continental travel many times, admittedly from BRS but the principle is the same, although not since KLM were taken over by Air France.
I have read through the CWL draft master plan and no specific new long-haul scheduled routes are mentioned as likely to be viable during the period of the plan (until 2030), although significantly larger totals of long-haul sched pax are forecast, so some new l-h sched routes will eventuate.
In its draft master plan BRS states that demand for such routes from its catchment is limited and specifically mentions only four as being realistic during the next twenty-four years, viz, New York (already operating), Washington, another US destination which it thinks might be Atlanta and Dubai. This is based on perceived demand, not airport infrastructure limitations. BRS does, however, believe that l-h charter flights will blossom.
I would think that CWL would be in a not dissimilar position as regards likely demand.
If Dubai becomes the massive hedonistic destination that appears to be developing there, I don't think it is rocket science to say that within ten years there will be flights from a lot of UK airports, in the same way that Sharm el Sheik has become popular in recent years.
Over the years I have used this connection for inter-continental travel many times, admittedly from BRS but the principle is the same, although not since KLM were taken over by Air France.
I have read through the CWL draft master plan and no specific new long-haul scheduled routes are mentioned as likely to be viable during the period of the plan (until 2030), although significantly larger totals of long-haul sched pax are forecast, so some new l-h sched routes will eventuate.
In its draft master plan BRS states that demand for such routes from its catchment is limited and specifically mentions only four as being realistic during the next twenty-four years, viz, New York (already operating), Washington, another US destination which it thinks might be Atlanta and Dubai. This is based on perceived demand, not airport infrastructure limitations. BRS does, however, believe that l-h charter flights will blossom.
I would think that CWL would be in a not dissimilar position as regards likely demand.
If Dubai becomes the massive hedonistic destination that appears to be developing there, I don't think it is rocket science to say that within ten years there will be flights from a lot of UK airports, in the same way that Sharm el Sheik has become popular in recent years.
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OK folks. Lots of recent posts in this thread have been ppruned. Some posters are having a rest. What say we talk about Cardiff specific topics this time?
If someone has a dream Cardiff to Honolulu direct route they are welcome to post it for discussion and ride the wild waves.
However, asking “where can you fly to from Cardiff” is a stretch. Asking “tell me everything about Cardiff because I’m too lazy to do a search and read it myself” is right out.
Cheers,
Evileyes
If someone has a dream Cardiff to Honolulu direct route they are welcome to post it for discussion and ride the wild waves.
However, asking “where can you fly to from Cardiff” is a stretch. Asking “tell me everything about Cardiff because I’m too lazy to do a search and read it myself” is right out.
Cheers,
Evileyes
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Not impressed!
Well, I flew from Cardiff for the first time today, and to be honest not that impressed. I found the staff there very good and helpful, but the depatures area seems very small. Granted I was there at 8am when there was a flight to Orlando delayed and another due to leave at 11am. It just seems too small with not much there.
I did fly with Eastern Airways, and apart from both the outbound and inbound flights being late (which was out of their control - weather problems) I was a little blown away by the customer service on board, it was very good and you can see why they don't class themselves as a low cost carrier
I did fly with Eastern Airways, and apart from both the outbound and inbound flights being late (which was out of their control - weather problems) I was a little blown away by the customer service on board, it was very good and you can see why they don't class themselves as a low cost carrier
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In fairness, this is the one day of the week that I have thought that Cardiff's departure area is an issue - the two MCO flights really fill it up (they are VERY popular!) and if they start running into delays, the rest of the day's services get bunged up as well. My only real criticism of the departure area is the lack of a runway view, but that seems to be an increasing feature of airports these days....
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Apparently, although I have yet to have the figures confirmed, there has been an increase this year of a million Pax on last year. The terminal is too small especially on days there are US flights made even worse of course with the additional security restrictions.
If you can take a look from airside however you will see quite extensive building work going on to increase the size of the building, we are told there is even more to come, lets hope it does increase the departure lounge size.
If you can take a look from airside however you will see quite extensive building work going on to increase the size of the building, we are told there is even more to come, lets hope it does increase the departure lounge size.
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Hi all,apparently they start work on extending the departures lounge in November,after they take down that weird white dome thing!All that area will be built on.Basically filling in the L-shape on the corner(in front of stand 1)
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Originally Posted by flower
Apparently, although I have yet to have the figures confirmed, there has been an increase this year of a million Pax on last year.
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BRU is a business route (have been saying this for a while now 
) and the service is suspended for the holiday season. Back in September.
Sensible business decision!
) and the service is suspended for the holiday season. Back in September.Sensible business decision!
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It appears that dragon have their aircraft temporaraly doing the bru route at the minute, rumour i heard was that eastern don't have enough aircarft to cope with their routes and tech probs at the mo! true or not, who knows?