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Lufthansa rumour has been in BRS for a while, however I would think CWL may be better for them as BRS already has quite a few EZY-SXF&HAM, OLT-HAM&BRE, BA-DUS,MUC&FRA. Maybe you guys over the bridge may strike lucky with that one, also heard a rumour that XL were going to pull their 737 from CWL next year, anyone over there herd that? seems a strange move to me, i thought they were doing ok over there? 
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Interesting that the reason seems to be the security-related congestion at the major airports. We discussed this recently with reference to transatlantics and wondered whether regional airports might become more attractive for the same reason.
As for BRS or CWL, BRS already has a substantial German route network: BACon daily to MUC and 6 x weekly to FRA and DUS; easyJet daily to SXF and 6 x weekly to HAM, although the latter is to cease in October; OLT double daily 5 x per week to HAM and BRE.
On that basis it might be thought that CWL, with no German connection at present, could be more likely. However, airlines would of course decide where the better profits are likely to be so the answer to your question must really be "who knows?", although CWL does have access to that RDF which might help a bit.
On a separate topic, there is a post in the Excel thread saying that airline is to cease its programme from CWL, EMA and HUY from next year.
I haven't heard that one before. Is this likely?
edit: WATABENCH - we must have been typing at the same time! Thought transference?
Interesting that the reason seems to be the security-related congestion at the major airports. We discussed this recently with reference to transatlantics and wondered whether regional airports might become more attractive for the same reason.
As for BRS or CWL, BRS already has a substantial German route network: BACon daily to MUC and 6 x weekly to FRA and DUS; easyJet daily to SXF and 6 x weekly to HAM, although the latter is to cease in October; OLT double daily 5 x per week to HAM and BRE.
On that basis it might be thought that CWL, with no German connection at present, could be more likely. However, airlines would of course decide where the better profits are likely to be so the answer to your question must really be "who knows?", although CWL does have access to that RDF which might help a bit.
On a separate topic, there is a post in the Excel thread saying that airline is to cease its programme from CWL, EMA and HUY from next year.
I haven't heard that one before. Is this likely?
edit: WATABENCH - we must have been typing at the same time! Thought transference?
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Anyone who tries to fly CWL - Sharm on a 737-800 deserves to have their a/c pulled! It is not up to it. Many bags left behind on 2 occasions I know of -and we're talking 50-80 bags. Just has not got the performance for the route. This is ideal 757 route.
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Who do viking airways operate for over there? They left 80 bags on HER yesterday, FCA kindly took 43 of their bags to HER from BRS meaning the 321 was at its take off limit for BRS, leaving a further 37 for the poor sods at SAir BRS to sort, seems to be a lot of bags to leave behind, what type of a/c is it?
Merchant - I herd that XLA rumour from a very good source in BRS yesterday, was very suprised, seems to me CWL takes 2 steps forward 1 step back at the mo
Merchant - I herd that XLA rumour from a very good source in BRS yesterday, was very suprised, seems to me CWL takes 2 steps forward 1 step back at the mo
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I believe Viking operates MD 83 aircraft and the Friday flight to CWL from HER routes via EXT inbound each week. Not sure of the tour operator (s).
As for taking one step back etc, it seems there is a bit of consolidation about at present at a lot of airports. For example our local airport at BRS has lost several routes this coming winter, the latest to go seemingly the Flybe daily TLS which originally was shown to be operating through the winter.
Maybe the easyJet competition on the route has taken its toll.
I believe Viking operates MD 83 aircraft and the Friday flight to CWL from HER routes via EXT inbound each week. Not sure of the tour operator (s).
As for taking one step back etc, it seems there is a bit of consolidation about at present at a lot of airports. For example our local airport at BRS has lost several routes this coming winter, the latest to go seemingly the Flybe daily TLS which originally was shown to be operating through the winter.
Maybe the easyJet competition on the route has taken its toll.
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The remaining HER-EXT-CWL-HER VIK bags are hopefully on a TOM BRS-HER flight in the morning. Theres never been a problem before, possible error by the captain for load requirements?
Also the excel rumour is circuling CWL, Excel crews apparently already been issued letters regarding it.
Would this mean a concentration on BRS? Or would they utilise the aircraft on their new Ireland operation?
Complete waste of time and money. When will CIAL start putting some proper ideas and investment into the airport?! And the big wigs actually spend one day dealing with what handling agents have to deal with every day!
Passengers have suffered cramped Check-in / lounges / arrivals facilities and badly planned and delayed works all summer. Now its nearly done they have to face a brand new 'school corridor', as thats what it feels like, with no facilities or seating and a badly designed maze that eventually gets you to an oversized immigration area but smaller baggage hall. Roll on Summer 07!
Also the excel rumour is circuling CWL, Excel crews apparently already been issued letters regarding it.
Would this mean a concentration on BRS? Or would they utilise the aircraft on their new Ireland operation?
Passengers lucky enough to make it through security will now be faced with a 250 metre walk to a boarding gate with NO TOILET facilities and no other faciliies, unless you're flying on KLM when you might get a seat to sit on.
I would suggest that 50% of the problems encountered by handling staff are down to the physical layout of the airport. It never was and never will be designed to work as a coherent unit. But that's what you get with piecemeal development and lack of foresight.
I would suggest that 50% of the problems encountered by handling staff are down to the physical layout of the airport. It never was and never will be designed to work as a coherent unit. But that's what you get with piecemeal development and lack of foresight.
Passengers have suffered cramped Check-in / lounges / arrivals facilities and badly planned and delayed works all summer. Now its nearly done they have to face a brand new 'school corridor', as thats what it feels like, with no facilities or seating and a badly designed maze that eventually gets you to an oversized immigration area but smaller baggage hall. Roll on Summer 07!
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Any news down CWL way of a start date for CWL-ABZ...if there is one.
Still nothing from *T3, who previously announced they were to take over the route from 6G.
Noting WW are moving airframes out of MME, could they step in & announce a route to ABZ (having stolen a march on BE by announcing BHX-ABZ).
WW's MD Crawford Rix comes from Aberdeen...could this be of significance?
* T3 have announced they are to add 4 routes from ABZ without confirming where, so I suppose CWL could yet be one of them.
Still nothing from *T3, who previously announced they were to take over the route from 6G.
Noting WW are moving airframes out of MME, could they step in & announce a route to ABZ (having stolen a march on BE by announcing BHX-ABZ).
WW's MD Crawford Rix comes from Aberdeen...could this be of significance?
* T3 have announced they are to add 4 routes from ABZ without confirming where, so I suppose CWL could yet be one of them.
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BRS already has two based aircraft operating the Excel/Freedom Flights programme - an Excel 738 and an Air Malta 320 - that have been at Lulsgate through last summer and winter and this summer.
They might choose to replace the A 320 with one of their own aircraft (no idea what contract they have with Air Malta of course), but I would be very surprised if Excel saw the need for three aircraft at BRS.
But commercial aviation, like life itself, is full of surprises.
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With regards to T3
They are restarting CWL - BRU on the 2nd Oct which they stopped in August.
The a/c operating this twice a day service in August sat on the ground in CWL most of the day, was this a crewing issue? And if so as this now been resolved, how long does it take to crew a new base?
If this is now not a crewing problem, can you see T3 having an a/c sat on the ground all day during October, I think not!!!
Now, what destinations do you think are a possible
ABZ fits in, but could this be 1 of the 4 new routes from ABZ
CDG but this would be a new destination for T3
any where else could anybody think of?
They are restarting CWL - BRU on the 2nd Oct which they stopped in August.
The a/c operating this twice a day service in August sat on the ground in CWL most of the day, was this a crewing issue? And if so as this now been resolved, how long does it take to crew a new base?
If this is now not a crewing problem, can you see T3 having an a/c sat on the ground all day during October, I think not!!!
Now, what destinations do you think are a possible
ABZ fits in, but could this be 1 of the 4 new routes from ABZ
CDG but this would be a new destination for T3
any where else could anybody think of?
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Now, what destinations do you think are a possible
ABZ fits in, but could this be 1 of the 4 new routes from ABZ
CDG but this would be a new destination for T3
any where else could anybody think of?
ABZ fits in, but could this be 1 of the 4 new routes from ABZ
CDG but this would be a new destination for T3
any where else could anybody think of?
As for other destinations I'd like to see T3 operating from CWL are; IOM and INV.
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I doubt it would come to BRS as an additional unit.
BRS already has two based aircraft operating the Excel/Freedom Flights programme - an Excel 738 and an Air Malta 320 - that have been at Lulsgate through last summer and winter and this summer.
They might choose to replace the A 320 with one of their own aircraft (no idea what contract they have with Air Malta of course), but I would be very surprised if Excel saw the need for three aircraft at BRS.
But commercial aviation, like life itself, is full of surprises.
BRS already has two based aircraft operating the Excel/Freedom Flights programme - an Excel 738 and an Air Malta 320 - that have been at Lulsgate through last summer and winter and this summer.
They might choose to replace the A 320 with one of their own aircraft (no idea what contract they have with Air Malta of course), but I would be very surprised if Excel saw the need for three aircraft at BRS.
But commercial aviation, like life itself, is full of surprises.
I think that one of the four new routes to be launched from ABZ will be to CWL, a 2x daily service (Morning and Evening service). T3 would be suited to the CWL-CDG market, however I think that there is demand for a service with a 50-75 seater aircraft with a high frequency, rather than a T3 service with a J41 with 29 seats at 2x daily (not enough seats for the route) or a BMIbaby 737 with around 140 seats at 1x daily (you need a higher frequency of at least 2x daily on this route). If however T3 were to base a SAAB 2000 for the CWL-CDG route and possibly launch another route from CWL to use the Saab on, that could work.
As for other destinations I'd like to see T3 operating from CWL are; IOM and INV.
Regards,
Chris
As for other destinations I'd like to see T3 operating from CWL are; IOM and INV.
Regards,
Chris
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First Choice are now operating their own flight to KGS next summer. Weren't they due to charter XL to do it on a Sat night? Anyway here are the details:
CWL --> KGS
FCA
1955 - 0150
KGS --> CWL
FCA
0250 - 0510
Goes out on a wed gets back thurs morning
BYCREWLGW
CWL --> KGS
FCA
1955 - 0150
KGS --> CWL
FCA
0250 - 0510
Goes out on a wed gets back thurs morning
BYCREWLGW
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bmibaby putting 3 x 733's into BHX from Jan. If they are still only increasing fleet by 4 next year (2 new and 2 ex mme) CWL could have a lot of competition to get the 4th......
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According to Excels website routes will be operated next year.
The routes will be operaterd on behalf of Excel by Air Malta.
XL res staff have recieved an email stating the closure of the CWL base in S07.
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A major whole (sic)?
What, Newquay? A Manchester service that frequently has loads in single digits?
Newcastle shouldn't be affected if the Cardiff base closes, it is flown on a NCL based aircraft.
I bet the airport would sweat if it lost EDI, GLA and BFS, but I can't see many tears being shed over these two domestic routes going....
What, Newquay? A Manchester service that frequently has loads in single digits?
Newcastle shouldn't be affected if the Cardiff base closes, it is flown on a NCL based aircraft.
I bet the airport would sweat if it lost EDI, GLA and BFS, but I can't see many tears being shed over these two domestic routes going....
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