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Wouldn't surprise me if U2 did enter the LGW-JER market; BE doesn't have much of an operation
at LGW - just BHD, GCI and JER ... U2 already competes (albeit
indirectly) on BFS-LGW (and LTN) and now, with EI coming in on BFS-LHR,
competition on that route will increase. On top of that, what's the
future of BA short haul at LGW? Nothing guaranteed, I think. A319s have
been spoken of, but you know what happened to BACON; nothing's written
in stone, so it wouldn't necessarily be wise to rule out U2 because of
current overcapacity; next year could be very different.
As for BE and 195s, I know it is planned to bring these on the JER-LGW
route, but I had understood they were delayed, due to wing construction
issues (Kawasaki don't want to build them anymore, focusing on 787),
hence delays for all 170-195 customers.
at LGW - just BHD, GCI and JER ... U2 already competes (albeit
indirectly) on BFS-LGW (and LTN) and now, with EI coming in on BFS-LHR,
competition on that route will increase. On top of that, what's the
future of BA short haul at LGW? Nothing guaranteed, I think. A319s have
been spoken of, but you know what happened to BACON; nothing's written
in stone, so it wouldn't necessarily be wise to rule out U2 because of
current overcapacity; next year could be very different.
As for BE and 195s, I know it is planned to bring these on the JER-LGW
route, but I had understood they were delayed, due to wing construction
issues (Kawasaki don't want to build them anymore, focusing on 787),
hence delays for all 170-195 customers.
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EMB195 Operation
I think the reason they are having to bring the EMB195 on the Gatwick route is a combinition of things one of them is the decline in numbers which they are trying to claw back by putting the EMB195 on the route.
The aircraft they are baseing in Jersey from what I can make out would have been the second one that was to be based in Exeter.
The aircraft will be crewed by Exeter crews untill ther Jersey crews are on line.
So the BAE146 will finish the summer schedule then the crews will go on the EMB195 course and so this is why the aircraft will have to be crewed from another base.
Hope this gives a clearer picture in the ever changeing world of aviation down on the Island.
The aircraft they are baseing in Jersey from what I can make out would have been the second one that was to be based in Exeter.
The aircraft will be crewed by Exeter crews untill ther Jersey crews are on line.
So the BAE146 will finish the summer schedule then the crews will go on the EMB195 course and so this is why the aircraft will have to be crewed from another base.
Hope this gives a clearer picture in the ever changeing world of aviation down on the Island.
AEROSKID, You say.... "Wouldn't surprise me if U2 did enter the LGW-JER market; BE doesn't have much of an operation at LGW - just BHD, GCI and JER"
BE also fly to INV & IOM from LGW.
BE also fly to INV & IOM from LGW.
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i think it could see flybe off the lgw route for good,they are already panicking about there drop in pax numbers on this service as they are introducing the embraer195 earlier than planned to claw back customers!
Aeroskid, as indicated by Jerbourg, Flybe operation ex LGW now consists of IOM, INV, EGC, BHD, GCI and JER. Total weekday operations are up to 40 movements per day. I wouldn't say this was a particularly small operation - they may be smaller aircraft but how many daily movements do the likes of Virgin manage?
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I would imagine the Flybe 195 flypast at the Air Display will give Islanders a good opportunity to view what they’ll be getting on the Gatwick run. A nice bit of publicity if that goes ahead; I don’t know if it’s confirmed.
I didn’t think we would see a based Embraer down here for a while so it’s excellent to see the investment on the Gatwick route. If only I had known last week when I booked my British Airways flights.
Travellers really have not had such a good choice of London destinations and frequencies in years. Ultimately we’ll find out whether the capacity is sustainable next summer and into the future with subsequent changes, but at the moment it is a service that locals, business and tourism have been demanding for years, which can only benefit the Island.
I didn’t think we would see a based Embraer down here for a while so it’s excellent to see the investment on the Gatwick route. If only I had known last week when I booked my British Airways flights.
Travellers really have not had such a good choice of London destinations and frequencies in years. Ultimately we’ll find out whether the capacity is sustainable next summer and into the future with subsequent changes, but at the moment it is a service that locals, business and tourism have been demanding for years, which can only benefit the Island.
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All very well placing a spare 146 at JER but at the same time, you need a crew to operate that said aircraft. In my view it is all publicity but time will tell.
They can barely crew flights at the minute so in my opinion they are parking aircraft and saving face with the public!!!
They can barely crew flights at the minute so in my opinion they are parking aircraft and saving face with the public!!!
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Will Easy Start?
With talk on the apron floor so to speak about Easyjet starting flights this winter into Jersey.
Looking on the latest on Easyjets web site they have annonced a lot more new routes for this comming winter 46 in all, no sign of Jersey in the news.
So does this mean it will not happen? or is there still serveral things like paper work to sign for before they committe to Deal or No Deal as Noel Edmonds would say.
Looking on the latest on Easyjets web site they have annonced a lot more new routes for this comming winter 46 in all, no sign of Jersey in the news.
So does this mean it will not happen? or is there still serveral things like paper work to sign for before they committe to Deal or No Deal as Noel Edmonds would say.
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Yet another valid point from Jobsagoodun......listen to this person he/she knows what their talking about.
As for crew airbus-commander, your comments clearly show you know very little about the current Flybe operations. Whilst some snotty BA Connect crew did leave after the acquisition leaving BE in the s**ts, BE have rectified this and have a based a/c and crew at a number of airports including INV, IOM, BHD and JER.
I have to say I wasn't aware that the EXT E195 was going down to JER...will look into this when I return to work and see when the next batch of E195s will be in.
As for crew airbus-commander, your comments clearly show you know very little about the current Flybe operations. Whilst some snotty BA Connect crew did leave after the acquisition leaving BE in the s**ts, BE have rectified this and have a based a/c and crew at a number of airports including INV, IOM, BHD and JER.
I have to say I wasn't aware that the EXT E195 was going down to JER...will look into this when I return to work and see when the next batch of E195s will be in.
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Contract Pilots and a spare BAE146
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Speaking to one of the contract pilots two days ago and the company has nine contract type BAE146 Pilots so with a BAE146 in Jersey, Guernsey and Southampton they needed to put the spare aircraft in one of those places and the only one to have the space is Jersey at the moment.
The aircraft has been called upon a number of times not only to operate out of Jersey but Guernsey and Southampton as well so the place where you have the crews is where the spare aircraft is. The company has been trying to recruit more cabin crew it is easier to keep them currant on several types so when the EMB195 appears the will still be able to change aircraft.
The EMB195 is due to start from what I have heard the start of the winter programme, which means the aircraft will not be routeing via Guernsey at the weekends. From what I can make out the aircraft will be the one that is at Exeter at the moment aircraft number five G-FBEE.
We all await full confirmation on this some of this will be known by the middle of next month as a Flybe EMB195 is down in the display programme.
Speaking to one of the contract pilots two days ago and the company has nine contract type BAE146 Pilots so with a BAE146 in Jersey, Guernsey and Southampton they needed to put the spare aircraft in one of those places and the only one to have the space is Jersey at the moment.
The aircraft has been called upon a number of times not only to operate out of Jersey but Guernsey and Southampton as well so the place where you have the crews is where the spare aircraft is. The company has been trying to recruit more cabin crew it is easier to keep them currant on several types so when the EMB195 appears the will still be able to change aircraft.
The EMB195 is due to start from what I have heard the start of the winter programme, which means the aircraft will not be routeing via Guernsey at the weekends. From what I can make out the aircraft will be the one that is at Exeter at the moment aircraft number five G-FBEE.
We all await full confirmation on this some of this will be known by the middle of next month as a Flybe EMB195 is down in the display programme.
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All very well placing a spare 146 at JER but at the same time, you need a crew to operate that said aircraft. In my view it is all publicity but time will tell.
Easyjet would be foolish to start JER for the winter. They'll know that next summer will be best if any. Easy looked at LTNJER about 8yrs ago, shortly after they started and decided against it following retaliation by JEA who got wind of their plans and launced their own 3 daily LTNJER flights (on an F27 back then, anyone remember?). The fares in those days were about £60rtn off peak at a time when Easy launched with £29 single tickets. The yield wasn't there then for Easyjet, and to be fair it probably still isn't now, given that it would not be an increasing market of limited population. They'd be better ploughing their investment elsewhere, but never say never!
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Easyjet
I understand the posibilty of Easyjet operating into the Island although it is a possibilty it is a long way off before the crossing ot the T,s and dotting the I,s on the deal.
So who knows it might not be this October, Easy has already put out a news letter saying the are starting another 46 routes this winter and Jersey is not there.
So who knows it might not be this October, Easy has already put out a news letter saying the are starting another 46 routes this winter and Jersey is not there.
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GLO-JER services
CAA Published yesterday:
PERMIT GRANTED
EDC132 Orange Aircraft Leasing B.V. to operate a scheduled air service between Gloucester and Jersey. The permit would be effective from 3 September to 24 December 2007
So how will this be advertised/sold? Can Manx2 sell the tickets (I see they have dropped the T/a Manx2.com)? Especially as they are advertising it as BPS (Budapest Air Services??) - do Manx2 have an airline identifier (and if so - how?).
Will the passengers be confused to so who they are actually travelling with (and under who's insurance)? Probably.
PERMIT GRANTED
EDC132 Orange Aircraft Leasing B.V. to operate a scheduled air service between Gloucester and Jersey. The permit would be effective from 3 September to 24 December 2007
So how will this be advertised/sold? Can Manx2 sell the tickets (I see they have dropped the T/a Manx2.com)? Especially as they are advertising it as BPS (Budapest Air Services??) - do Manx2 have an airline identifier (and if so - how?).
Will the passengers be confused to so who they are actually travelling with (and under who's insurance)? Probably.
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Look all very well "parking" a 146 up somewhere, but if the aircraft that goes tech is a disaster 8 and the 146 crew out of hours (and that's if there is any) then can the flight deck just jump on and fly? No they can't.
This again is another airline playing on the general publics incompetent approach to commercial aviation. If it's parked up it's for a reason i.e. Being used for spares or my favourite no crews availabile.
I do understand their situation very well because I fly into some of the same airport's as them and I am constantly seeing FIDS screens and seeing all of the estimated times of departure.
They are a joke and deserve to lose their AOC, as they are a hazard both in the air and on the ground!!!
This again is another airline playing on the general publics incompetent approach to commercial aviation. If it's parked up it's for a reason i.e. Being used for spares or my favourite no crews availabile.
I do understand their situation very well because I fly into some of the same airport's as them and I am constantly seeing FIDS screens and seeing all of the estimated times of departure.
They are a joke and deserve to lose their AOC, as they are a hazard both in the air and on the ground!!!
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airbus-commander, i suppose it is your opinion that " they are a joke and deserve to lose their AOC,as they are a hazard both in the air and on the ground" but please substanciate these opinions with facts!!! Cant quite understand how you come to these conclusions?
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Young captain's and inexperienced first officers flying dash 8s. Nothing frustrates me more than that and yes I understand that I was once a young cocky captain.
But with airport's becoming busier and busier and younger captains flying turboprops don't mix.
This is why (and I don't mean to hi-jack the thread) that the legal minimum age of an unfrozen ATPL should be raised to 30 with at least 10,000 hours experience.
Before anyone says anything I have 24,500+ hours including 12,000+ hours as a Captain.
But with airport's becoming busier and busier and younger captains flying turboprops don't mix.
This is why (and I don't mean to hi-jack the thread) that the legal minimum age of an unfrozen ATPL should be raised to 30 with at least 10,000 hours experience.
Before anyone says anything I have 24,500+ hours including 12,000+ hours as a Captain.
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A while we're at it lets raise the driving licence limit to 30yrs old at the same time. Ban under 25's from drinking and buying fags and curfew them late at night!!
Unless you can substantiate whatever point you are trying to make, i'm with 'embraernot worthy' on this one. Jeez!
Unless you can substantiate whatever point you are trying to make, i'm with 'embraernot worthy' on this one. Jeez!
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Look a $50million dollar jet with 150 souls including 6 crew is alot different than 20 mayfair lights, bottle of strongbow or a £500 quid sh!t heap of a fiesta.
So you think it is safe for a 21 year old to be in command of an Airbus or a Dash 8? Who is flying on a brand new un-frozen ATPL? You can never compare 150 lives to 1 life!
So you think it is safe for a 21 year old to be in command of an Airbus or a Dash 8? Who is flying on a brand new un-frozen ATPL? You can never compare 150 lives to 1 life!
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You cannot put a value on life, be it one persons or many.
The fact remains that, young doesn't necessarily mean immature/incapable. I'm sure that if there is a safety risk then the CAA would question this and take action however the fact remains that nothing has been done, most likely due to the fact that these 'young and inexperienced' crews carry out there duties to the required very high standard!
Allow me some latitude but look at the likes of Lewis Hamilton in F1, he may not be as experienced as everyone else, but he is as good if not better than the rest! This may be irrelevent to this particular discussion but demonstrates a valid point! Come back when you have some substantial evidence to back up your claims.
The fact remains that, young doesn't necessarily mean immature/incapable. I'm sure that if there is a safety risk then the CAA would question this and take action however the fact remains that nothing has been done, most likely due to the fact that these 'young and inexperienced' crews carry out there duties to the required very high standard!
Allow me some latitude but look at the likes of Lewis Hamilton in F1, he may not be as experienced as everyone else, but he is as good if not better than the rest! This may be irrelevent to this particular discussion but demonstrates a valid point! Come back when you have some substantial evidence to back up your claims.
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Facts i asked for !!! Flybe dont fly aircraft capable of more than 118pax + crew, so get off your high horse and get real!!! The CAA wouldnt allow the airline to operate if they didnt think it was safe!!! Im an engineer of 8 years and came from a car related background, dont you approve of me either!!! Glad i dont work with you, as you seem untouchable!! Dont suppose you've been turned down by flybe have you??? Too arrogant maybe???