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Originally Posted by Powerjet1
Also stated that easy are committed to further expansion at the airport. However, quite where they will put the aircraft if no new apron stands are built soon is a mystery.
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Is there not room to squeeze a little more capacity overinght by towing a/c for example to the engine run up area off taxiway alpha (or does this not exist now). it also irks me as pax that the South Apron cannot be reclaimed for ailine traffic, bt I guess the bizjets ar just too lucrative- Wasn't there a plan to do this once.
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear
easyJet will operate 3 night flights to Istanbul within the next 7 days, then nothing for the remainder of July allegedly?
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Originally Posted by OLNEY 1 BRAVO
Can anyone please confirm if the full lighting is now in place on "26" and that full Cat 3b approaches are now possible?
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it also irks me as pax that the South Apron cannot be reclaimed for ailine traffic, but I guess the bizjets are just too lucrative- Wasn't there a plan to do this once.
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South Apron parking
The comments that exec aircraft should be replaced on the southern apron by airliners, is very short sighted.
Firstly until EasiJet own Luton, then I assume all users are almost equal.
Secondly, for a given apron space, I wonder just what revenue is generated by a "discounted" Easi parked aircraft, compared to the 3 or 4 execs that could take up the same space.
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Firstly until EasiJet own Luton, then I assume all users are almost equal.
Secondly, for a given apron space, I wonder just what revenue is generated by a "discounted" Easi parked aircraft, compared to the 3 or 4 execs that could take up the same space.
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I wonder just what revenue is generated by a "discounted" Easi parked aircraft, compared to the 3 or 4 execs that could take up the same space
Good point. LLAO's love affair with the exec jet sector just seems to get stronger & stronger. It's not going to go away in the short term at least.
Out of curiosity, hypothetically speaking, if there were no exec aircraft on the ramps at LTN, how many parking spaces would the airport gain in total, for aircraft, say of 737 size, eight to ten or more ?.
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Electing to depart from the 08 intersection reduces the available runway length to around 5,600ft making it one of the shortest take off runs at a major UK airport. Fine if the aircraft has the performance, not so good if the take off run has to be abandoned.
The proposals to extend the existing runway at LTN to 2500mts are to accommodate long-haul IT flights non-stop to places such as the US West Coast. However, with aircraft such as the Boeing 787 coming on stream in the next fews years, this need may evapourate as this aircraft (as with similar genre) has a full payload range of around 5000 miles off a +/- 2000mts runway.
The reason that more aircraft can now do it (except perhaps when the temperature is up at +30!) is the much improved power of modern turbofan engines and the fact that most operaters use derated power on take-off anyway, to extend engine life. It's therefore possible to see that perhaps each airframe is now approved for a limited number of max power take-offs per XX000's hours engine life, and Luton is one location where this is being done.
As for Project 2030 - try asking LBC wot's up (they're the culprits...)
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I was always under the impression that Biz Jets generate good profits for Luton as you do not need expensive infrastructure to support them like car parks, tinminals, road improvements etc, they just make use of resources already in place?
During the early 1990's Luton was making £2m clear profit per annum from this type of operation, one has to assume that the profit margin with inflation and the massive increase in this type of business has only proportionally increased?
AND........no concession charge to Luton Borough Council! From a commercial stand point, the executive market is tremendously lucrative. I wonder what the profit margin is between a BBJ paying full whack to land and park,compared to a full Ryanair 737-800 flight once you take into consideration the fixed overheads to provide the low rent facilities on offer to passengers at Luton?
The facilities being provided by TAG at Farnborough seem support my theory that there are good profits to be made from the executive market? No wonder then ACDL wish to extend the length of the concession in order to pay for the multi £m investment required to take Luton to the next level of passenger growth.
How about clearing the East Apron of airliners and encouraging more business jets, one loser for sure here would be LBC and their concession charge!
Until London gets a replacement 24 hours business jets airfield, Luton is in a very strong position to increase its dominance within this market and increase its charges accordingly as this is not such a price sensitive market.
You could question whether it is worth Luton touting for more based low cost business simply due to the cost of providing additional facilities?
Controversial? Worth a debate though?
During the early 1990's Luton was making £2m clear profit per annum from this type of operation, one has to assume that the profit margin with inflation and the massive increase in this type of business has only proportionally increased?
AND........no concession charge to Luton Borough Council! From a commercial stand point, the executive market is tremendously lucrative. I wonder what the profit margin is between a BBJ paying full whack to land and park,compared to a full Ryanair 737-800 flight once you take into consideration the fixed overheads to provide the low rent facilities on offer to passengers at Luton?
The facilities being provided by TAG at Farnborough seem support my theory that there are good profits to be made from the executive market? No wonder then ACDL wish to extend the length of the concession in order to pay for the multi £m investment required to take Luton to the next level of passenger growth.
How about clearing the East Apron of airliners and encouraging more business jets, one loser for sure here would be LBC and their concession charge!
Until London gets a replacement 24 hours business jets airfield, Luton is in a very strong position to increase its dominance within this market and increase its charges accordingly as this is not such a price sensitive market.
You could question whether it is worth Luton touting for more based low cost business simply due to the cost of providing additional facilities?
Controversial? Worth a debate though?
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You could question whether it is worth Luton touting for more based low cost business simply due to the cost of providing additional facilities?
The fact is that despite the touchingly benevolent attitude towards Luton Borough Council (LBC) that you and others take, since the days of Lorraine Chase it's been an absolute Albatros around LTN's neck simply because of the paraochial short-term approach that LBC has always taken - and continues to take despite now having a major international multi-million £ company running its airport.
Even though the corporate market is highly lucrative and good business for ACDL, if LBC fails to take a long-term business-like attitude towards LTN in its entirity - and particularly its development potential (which means thinking 'outside the box' and embracing Project 2030) - in 25 years time when the current Concession has expired and with STN having a second runway (= less slot constraints) and further improved facilities, LTN will if it's lucky, resemble Southend (once busier than even LGW) and if it's unlucky, will resemble Lydd.
LBC's 'golden goose' will be effectively dead, and the millions creamed-off lost in various half-baked trendy left-wing projects and initiatives, with nothing left to show for it. The hapless citizens of Luton in 2030 will then be left paying higher council tax whilst dreaming about what was and what might have been.
Can anyone please confirm if the full lighting is now in place on "26" and that full Cat 3b approaches are now possible?
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Just some drainage repair/reconstruction work plus the construction of some under-runway 'services' ducts (for which apparently, a remotely controlled boring 'mole' is used). Likelihood is that the runway will reopen full H24 much sooner than originally planned - which is what the cargo side of LLAO's business is hoping.
Happily this LTN project has actually run extremely smoothly and has been completed sarisfactorily on budget, ahead of time. All parties are to be congratulated.
Happily this LTN project has actually run extremely smoothly and has been completed sarisfactorily on budget, ahead of time. All parties are to be congratulated.
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As I understand it, major constrction works begin around the third week of July, when work also starts on construction on three out of four bridges, including the Airport Way road bridge. Mainly minor things happening up until then. Come August, when things are in full swing, chaos will be the order of the day, for pax trying to get to the airport for the school summer hols.
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Originally Posted by Powerjet1
Come August, when things are in full swing, chaos will be the order of the day, for pax trying to get to the airport for the school summer hols.
It looks like the mid term carpark is getting a new enterance.
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It looks like the mid term carpark is getting a new enterance
KP. Like your comment about how it could take 30 mins to do the last mile into the airport. Sometimes, that might even be a conservative figure!!!!
Can anyone tell me if the new batch of 10 check-in desks built recently where the old outsize baggage drop used to be, are in regular use now, or are they not being used. Can't say I have noticed the 2/3 times I have passed through the airport in the last month.
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Originally Posted by Powerjet1
KP.
Can anyone tell me if the new batch of 10 check-in desks built recently where the old outsize baggage drop used to be, are in regular use now, or are they not being used. Can't say I have noticed the 2/3 times I have passed through the airport in the last month.
Can anyone tell me if the new batch of 10 check-in desks built recently where the old outsize baggage drop used to be, are in regular use now, or are they not being used. Can't say I have noticed the 2/3 times I have passed through the airport in the last month.
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Monarch are rumoured to be announcing Luton expansion today.
Easyjet are looking at starting services to Israel but not necessarily from Luton
Easyjet are looking at starting services to Israel but not necessarily from Luton
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Monarch are rumoured to be announcing Luton expansion today
Last edited by Powerjet1; 4th Jul 2006 at 05:59.