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Old 13th Sep 2008, 16:02
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I would like to thank Bladepilot for his thread regarding news coverage of the 'poor PAX' who have been left stranded following the demise of XLLG UK, and actually thinking of the staff.
Being a former employee of what I regarded to be a truly dynamic company, I am truly sorry for these poor people, however no-one in the media has spared a thought for the 1700 loyal Employees who are now unemployed following a bolt out of the blue, that their company has gone bust after being given false hope by 'Top Management', and I use the word 'top' very loosely, that all was well and refinancing negotiations were going 'positively' with no set timescale to meet!!!!
We are all now left picking up the pieces of our lives and frantically wondering how or where money is going to come from so that mortgages will be paid etc

As for Mr Wyatt being devastated about the loss of his company perhaps if, as rumour has it, he hadn't pushed his luck with the financiers and accepted their terms. Maybe XL would still have been operating and their fabulous on time stats achieved for the Summer 2008 been ongoing!!
Once a barrow boy always a barrow boy.........with illusions of grandeur!

I wish all former colleagues within XL, especially within the airline every luck in the world in finding employment quickly and pat yourselves on the back for being part of what was, until Friday 12th Sept'08, a very successful and dynamic airline
My thoughts also go to staff of other airlines who have also had to go through this, Zoom, Silverjet etc
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 16:03
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Can I ask why they block aircraft in, that seems like madness, hardly going to make a mad dash for it and floor it down the runway. I'm just curious thats all. Truly gutted to see the way the industry is going and really feel for the crews and staff.
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 16:12
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Excellent post BladePilot. You've said it all.
Very best wishes for the future to all ex-XL staff and crew.
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 16:24
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Wilky,
All to do with legal 'stake' claiming. You''l find that in addition to 'blocking in' an aircraft an officer of the airport concerned will also place a legal notice on or in the aircraft and in some cases they 'seal' the doors with a 'breakable' seal normally just a plasticised strip with a legal statement of intent on it.

And yes it has actually happened in the past where 'SAS' type missions have been pulled off by flightdeck crews and engineers to 'free' an aircraft from such circumstances. Not so easy these days though.
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 16:25
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As bad as it is now, what will be the knock-on over the next few weeks. 1700 hundred job losses as a direct result fom XL, what about the in-direct and induced staffing levels.
Maintenance, Parts, Fuel, Ramp Services now required on 20 odd fewer aircraft.
9 further UK airlines are on the "red list" right now, 29 through out Europe.
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 16:25
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things are so bad that

Some XL staff are sell there uniform on e-bay.AIR HOSTESS UNIFORM - XL AIRWAYS on eBay, also, Women's Shoes, Clothes, Shoes Accessories (end time 19-Sep-08 22:55:47 BST)
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 16:26
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The impounded 737-800 at Ema is off to Istanbul to new owners reality has kicked in for me i am jobless was too numb yesterday to think straight but now it's real. Im devestated
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 16:33
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easyjet £75 rescue flights

Details here:

easyJet.com - easyJet rescue package for XL passengers
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 16:49
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hostiegirl,
Snap out of it I know it's probably of little comfort to you but there are a bunch of us out here who are rooting for you XL,ent folks.

Sit down and work out a plan as soon as you can (finances, job hunting etc), get the CV updated and send, send, send. Things will be tough but you need to 'get back on the horse' and try and keep ahead of the tide!

Chin up you can do it.

Wishing you the very best.
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 17:05
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Look South East

Ex XL people:

I have no idea what aircraft they use but I do know that the Western Australia region is utterly booming due to the mining taking place there. Folk fly in and out all the time from all over Aus constantly.

Worth having a look in my humble.

G'day
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 17:09
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Talking of Australia, Qantas are recruiting like crazy at the moment for their Heathrow base and would likely snap up the XL crews. I think they are recruiting for their new A380 arrival so lots of jobs going in the next few weeks.
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 17:15
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The Ripple Effect

Mary Hinge,
Good point.
First thoughts must go to the XL staff who were hit with the shocking and unexpected news but you're right the ripple effects will be far reaching and those folks employed in the numerous support industries are going to feel the effect soon enough, cleaning, catering, fueling, general ground handling, airport staff, 'spanish coach drivers', security and more, too many to mention. The only difference being they may have some warning of impending grief.. and still the media focus on the woeful pax stories!
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 17:18
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Just heard the bad news,very sad. First the buisness airliners (Maxjet,Eos,Silverjet) now XL the future for charter airlines isnt looking good. I hear that XL where still selling tickets only a few hours before they were declared bankrupt. Is this true?.A 737-800 is stranded here at LCA (Larnaca International) anyone know whats going to happen to it? Im guessing it'll be off in a few days,but to where? Does it belong to XL or was it being leased?
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 17:19
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Talking

hostiegirl,
Snap out of it I know it's probably of little comfort to you but there are a bunch of us out here who are rooting for you XL,ent folks.

Sit down and work out a plan as soon as you can (finances, job hunting etc), get the CV updated and send, send, send. Things will be tough but you need to 'get back on the horse' and try and keep ahead of the tide!

Chin up you can do it.

Wishing you the very best.


THANK-YOU!

Yes i know you are right, cv has been updated this morning! x
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 17:23
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Thumbs up BBC News 6pm

Well done BBC for bothering to interview a crew member makes a change to see our side of things!. Well done Christian for doing us proud! x
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 17:37
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Having only recently (this June) been sh*t on by an insolvent employer, I thought I'd share my experiences as to the state assistance available. Not sure how much of this will apply but it may be of use to some of the folks?

In short, when an employer becomes insolvent and can no longer pay its staff the employees are entitled to:

i) Statutory Redundancy Pay - Amount depends on length of service and your age - this site calculates your entitlement:

Redundancy Payments: Ready Reckoner - BERR

ii) Statutory Notice Pay - One week's pay (maximum of £330 per week) for each year of service, up to a maximum of 12 week's pay. This bit is a common-law claim so they take off Job Seekers Allowance and 22% for tax.

ii) Pay for holiday you were entitled to, but did not take (didn't apply to me)

More info here:

Notice and notice pay : Directgov - Employment
Redundancy and Insolvency - Guide for employees

You lodge your claim by completing the RP1 form available from the Insolvency Service. If the company is still trading but just won't pay up, you can call a tribunal to claim the above money. If in doubt, book an appointment with your local CAB.

In my case, I was able to receive just under £7k
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 17:44
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Thankyou EGHH!

Does this apply to us as we were not made redundant?
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 18:04
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hostiegirl: You were made redundant, your job effectively ceased to exist. I went through it once, at the end of the day if you're no longer employed because your employer has ceased trading then you're entitled to the statutory minimum. If there's money in the pot then the employer foots the bill, otherwise the government pays it.
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 18:04
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As I understand it, as soon as you're told not to turn up to work any more you are redundant. I think the administrators or the liquidator are supposed to hand out the relevant information - it didn't work like that in my case though. If in doubt I'd recommend checking with the CAB.

Hope this helps - good luck!

Redundancy and Insolvency - Guide for employees says:

6. What is redundancy?

You can get a redundancy payment only if the reason for your dismissal is redundancy. This means that your dismissal must be caused by your employer's need to reduce or no longer employ his or her workforce. Redundancy may happen because a workplace is closing down or because fewer employees are needed for particular kinds of work or because the employer is insolvent. Normally your job must have disappeared. It is not redundancy if your employer immediately takes on a direct replacement for you. It usually will not matter if your employer is recruiting more workers to do different jobs or to work in another place.


You are entitled to a redundancy payment from your employer if:
  • you are an employee who has been made redundant, and
  • you have at least two years' continuous service with your employer, and
  • you are aged 20 to 64.
If you are 65 or over, you will not be entitled to a redundancy payment. You may still be entitled to compensation for notice pay, unpaid wages or holiday pay you are owed.

If your employer is insolvent, he or she will not be able to pay you. So you can claim the money from one of the Insolvency Service’s Redundancy Payments Offices using the yellow RP1 claim form at the back of this guide. We may also be able to pay you all or some of any unpaid wages and outstanding holiday pay. If you did not receive the correct notice of dismissal, we may be able to compensate you for that.

If your employer is not formally insolvent and has made you redundant without paying you a redundancy payment, then you may still be able to claim a payment from us. By law in these circumstances we can only pay you redundancy money. We cannot make other payments such as unpaid wages, holiday pay or compensation for not receiving proper notice.

This guide tells you what you can claim, how to claim it and the conditions that apply. It also explains what to do if you disagree with us about how much you should receive.
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Old 13th Sep 2008, 18:18
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Thanks for the information. Yes the administrators were handing out packs at the airport i couldn't go in so have one on the way. I didnt think we got a penny so thats a bit brighter than i thought!
Thanks once again!x
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